The bash nerf, unintended consequences

thelg

For those that do not know. Bash now has 3 sec cool down on PTS. Great right..

Not so much. Sorcerer can now stand in melee and cast shards in your face(one fake cast then 2-3 shards that you can not interrupt). In pve there are many bosses/mobs that chain cast guess what you can not interrupt them anymore. Big trash caster pull? Can't interrupt the healers either.

Nerf the damage on bash FFS. Make it do 1 dmg if you want. Do not put timer on it. Best solution just remove Deadly bash passive. Boom problem solved.

Best part it is a huge nerf to Dual wield and 2h users, because they do not have Absorb Magica. Which results in them chain eating shards without ability to do anything about it. Their block obviously sucks so ya instead of nerfing what they wanted they nerfed already gimped melee range spec.

If you are DK use reflective scale you will still be fine, other classes? not so much

Niffo

Wow, they are nerfing bash in all the wrong ways. Reduces the strength of the bash damage jewelry and putting a 3 second cooldown is just swinging the nerf bat wildly. The base damage on bash needs to be about half of what it currently is, so when you pickup Deadly Bash you aren't out damaging the active weapon skills with it, also the damage and cost on all weapon skills need to be looked at since they aren't performing anywhere near where class skills are. Bash damage should just be a bonus on top of interrupting the actions of your target.

Hodorius

What?
There will be a cooldown on interrupting casts? oO

liquid_wolf

I really hope there isn't a "cooldown" on bash.

Simply reduce the damage.

Honestly... if you are trying to cast while someone is perma-bashing you... just move away. They can't catch you while bashing.

Xsorus

ouch, well that'll kill that ability lol

Kypho

Its a fix. Shame you never QQ about what it did. how broken it was. now.... its fixed, so...

Najarati

Have they at least fixed Battlefield Mobility so I can move at more than a snail's pace while blocking?

Kewljag_66_ESO

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Kewljag_66_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ouch, well that'll kill that ability lol

Not really its still good to use as soon as its available and for the purpose of stunning with high damage. This just means it cant be button mash spammed to kill everyone. Your actually going to have to use a second attack ability in between bashes

7788b14_ESO

Obviously they hate everyone except Sorcerers. Never had so much fun playing one then in this game.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

Goodbye tanks

KoooZ

A time cool down ? What? The whole system is supposed to work without those.. This would be a change in fundamentals

grabbintrionb14_ESO

Bash spam isn't a tactic that originated in PvP. I pretty much leveled my char with bash because it's so much more damage than the crappy auto attack of 1h/shield. They just need to nerf the damage of bash or increase its cost and buff the light/heavy attack with 1h/shield so it's worth using.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

grabbintrionb14_ESO wrote: »

Bash spam isn't a tactic that originated in PvP. I pretty much leveled my char with bash because it's so much more damage than the crappy auto attack of 1h/shield. They just need to nerf the damage of bash or increase its cost and buff the light/heavy attack with 1h/shield so it's worth using.

Or add something to 1hd/shield, the whole tree relies on bash without it the tree is dead.

kirnmalidus

Yay!

thelg

Yes bash spam is dumb and yes it should be fixed. This is probably the worst way to do it.

@Kewljag_66_ESO no thats bash, so no you can't

And no it does not stun

Xsorus

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Are you still confused from yesterday when i told you Bash and interrupt are the same thing?

If bash has a 3 second cooldown, the interrupt has a 3 second cooldown.

liquid_wolf

Bash needs to be fixed for damage, not how much it can be used.

You are not stun locked when bashed... you can move around and get into better position... and even get away.

Cooldowns are not needed for any standard ability, or skill, anywhere. That is what your magicka and stamina are for.

ChairGraveyard

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Really?

Syntse

Ok seems they are still experimenting and trying to figure out things. Not the first time I've seen somewhere that when something is nerfed it's done the worst possible way basically destroying the class as whole.

Well it is in PTS now so hopefully they listen to some feedback and change it before it gets to the rest of us. I'm fine with damage reductions or cost up. Cooldown is just plain stupid.

Xsorus

Syntse wrote: »

Ok seems they are still experimenting and trying to figure out things. Not the first time I've seen somewhere that when something is nerfed it's done the worst possible way basically destroying the class as whole.

Well it is in PTS now so hopefully they listen to some feedback and change it before it gets to the rest of us. I'm fine with damage reductions or cost up. Cooldown is just plain stupid.

lol

there is a 3000+ person poll asking for AoE caps not to be put in..

At this point if you think they're going to listen to the players you've got far to much faith in them.

Kewljag_66_ESO

thelg wrote: »

Yes bash spam is dumb and yes it should be fixed. This is probably the worst way to do it.

@Kewljag_66_ESO no thats bash, so no you can't

And no it does not stun

it stuns the target if you interrupt their casting spell. Like when sorc cast bolt. 1.3 sec cast time. It causes a 4 second stun where you can also heavy attack and the knock the target down. and I am talking about the rightclick +left click ability

Xsorus

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

thelg wrote: »

Yes bash spam is dumb and yes it should be fixed. This is probably the worst way to do it.

@Kewljag_66_ESO no thats bash, so no you can't

And no it does not stun

it stuns the target if you interrupt their casting spell. Like when sorc cast bolt. 1.3 sec cast time. It causes a 4 second stun where you can also heavy attack and the knock the target down. and I am talking about the leftclick +right click ability

if you're talking about Interrupt, and they put a 3 second cooldown on it, Then you really can't use it whenever you need now can you?

Sempars

if you bash multiple times in 3 seconds why are you using a sword >_> Have fun. change it up. Don't be boring and go just bash bash bash. Bash->Sword->Skill-> bash. was that so bad? no >_>

Kewljag_66_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Are you still confused from yesterday when i told you Bash and interrupt are the same thing?

If bash has a 3 second cooldown, the interrupt has a 3 second cooldown.

I think you are the one confused. Everyone else knows what I have been talking about. Everyclass has a weapon bash, (right click + left click) it interrupts any spell being cast and then stuns the target for 4 seconds. the other ability which I was talking about yesterday is Shield bash which is the 5th ability in the 1hand and shield skill line and what this thread is about.

Kewljag_66_ESO

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Really?

This is like one of the first things the game teaches you along with blocking after you made your character in the prison. on the first few skeleton targets

Hold right click + hit left click. It does an interrupting weapon bash that uses some stamina. If you use it on a target casting a spell or charging an ability, it will interrupt them AND stun them for 4 seconds. You can also follow up with a heavy attack that knocks the target down

Aedh

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Are you still confused from yesterday when i told you Bash and interrupt are the same thing?

If bash has a 3 second cooldown, the interrupt has a 3 second cooldown.

I think you are the one confused. Everyone else knows what I have been talking about. Everyclass has a weapon bash, (right click + left click) it interrupts any spell being cast and then stuns the target for 4 seconds. the other ability which I was talking about yesterday is Shield bash which is the 5th ability in the 1hand and shield skill line and what this thread is about.

No, this thread (and the nerf) is not about the Power Bash ability, but about the regular bash (ie interrupt). It affects all weapons, not just s&b.

Kewljag_66_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

thelg wrote: »

Yes bash spam is dumb and yes it should be fixed. This is probably the worst way to do it.

@Kewljag_66_ESO no thats bash, so no you can't

And no it does not stun

it stuns the target if you interrupt their casting spell. Like when sorc cast bolt. 1.3 sec cast time. It causes a 4 second stun where you can also heavy attack and the knock the target down. and I am talking about the leftclick +right click ability

if you're talking about Interrupt, and they put a 3 second cooldown on it, Then you really can't use it whenever you need now can you?

You only need to use it once to interrupt and then it also stuns for 4 seconds. So you will rarely be waiting on that 3 second timer.

Now if you combine that with the Shield bash ability (even if its put on a 3secnd timer) you will pretty much always have 1 available

moXrox

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

Obviously they hate everyone except Sorcerers. Never had so much fun playing one then in this game.

Just wait until they will "adjust" the sorcerer class, every class will have its turn.

Drachenfier

This is incredibly lame. Up the stamina cost, whatever....shield line is pure crap without bash.

Xsorus

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Everyone can still interrupt with weapon bash (left +right click) as often as you need.

Are you still confused from yesterday when i told you Bash and interrupt are the same thing?

If bash has a 3 second cooldown, the interrupt has a 3 second cooldown.

I think you are the one confused. Everyone else knows what I have been talking about. Everyclass has a weapon bash, (right click + left click) it interrupts any spell being cast and then stuns the target for 4 seconds. the other ability which I was talking about yesterday is Shield bash which is the 5th ability in the 1hand and shield skill line and what this thread is about.

No...

Just no..