PvP is dying.... with nothing in future outlook (ZOS not saying anything still)

Alestair

Actually PVP is getting more and more now that there are no "invincible" vampires now. So, me and friends came back to pvp and well, we are enjoying it once more

Dalriaden

JexTex wrote: »

Yep...F2P in less than year for sure lol....the terrible veteran system has ran alot of people off...out of 75 of my guild members a good 35-40% havent logged in about 5+ days...they simply put to much single player into the game look at swtor...

Don't get it. Didn't take long at all to get VR10. Get an exp bonus for grouping with guildmates, and can wear two ring of maras and therefore have two dedicated quest partners, or more for when some are offline. The game is what you make of it. Very few of the VR rank main story line quests are individual and the one that was phased for individuals Im half certain was a bug. So if you're in a group...questing together...it's a multiplayer game.

Guess it's just easier to come on the forum and whine its a single player game but I went 15 or so - VR10 with a tank/healer and myself as dps.

PVP experience could use a buff and theyre buffing the amount for player kills which will help somewhat. They do need to address population balance, and I have no idea why batswarm exploiting was allowed to happen so long, (But it will forever make me hate DC.)

There have been multiple rumors about dueling and 5v5 and I believe ZEO even mentioned it was going to be added at a later date. Of course with the introduction of that the forums will be flooded with complaints x class cant beat y class in a 1v1 need nurfs naow.

Lucardes

Dalriaden wrote: »

JexTex wrote: »

Yep...F2P in less than year for sure lol....the terrible veteran system has ran alot of people off...out of 75 of my guild members a good 35-40% havent logged in about 5+ days...they simply put to much single player into the game look at swtor...

Don't get it. Didn't take long at all to get VR10. Get an exp bonus for grouping with guildmates, and can wear two ring of maras and therefore have two dedicated quest partners, or more for when some are offline. The game is what you make of it. Very few of the VR rank main story line quests are individual and the one that was phased for individuals Im half certain was a bug. So if you're in a group...questing together...it's a multiplayer game.

Guess it's just easier to come on the forum and whine its a single player game but I went 15 or so - VR10 with a tank/healer and myself as dps.

PVP experience could use a buff and theyre buffing the amount for player kills which will help somewhat. They do need to address population balance, and I have no idea why batswarm exploiting was allowed to happen so long, (But it will forever make me hate DC.)

There have been multiple rumors about dueling and 5v5 and I believe ZEO even mentioned it was going to be added at a later date. Of course with the introduction of that the forums will be flooded with complaints x class cant beat y class in a 1v1 need nurfs naow.

Anything ZOS says I will take with a grain of salt.

Also yes you may be able to get VR10 like you said (I personally don't think its easy as it sound, it takes damn long) the fact is I have to do pve to gain it is what killed it for me and as others mentioned here. Force your pvp'ers to do pve...

and you know what's the funny part? it's so easy to fix by changing a value of a parameter so that xp is higher in cyrodil but no they decide to wait on it... why wait? why not implement it now and save your players? and don't get me started on the LACK OF COMMUNICATION, never have I see a game that not a SINGLE developer has at least replied to any of our questions or concerns.

RaZaddha

Lucardes wrote: »

Dalriaden wrote: »

JexTex wrote: »

Yep...F2P in less than year for sure lol....the terrible veteran system has ran alot of people off...out of 75 of my guild members a good 35-40% havent logged in about 5+ days...they simply put to much single player into the game look at swtor...

Don't get it. Didn't take long at all to get VR10. Get an exp bonus for grouping with guildmates, and can wear two ring of maras and therefore have two dedicated quest partners, or more for when some are offline. The game is what you make of it. Very few of the VR rank main story line quests are individual and the one that was phased for individuals Im half certain was a bug. So if you're in a group...questing together...it's a multiplayer game.

Guess it's just easier to come on the forum and whine its a single player game but I went 15 or so - VR10 with a tank/healer and myself as dps.

PVP experience could use a buff and theyre buffing the amount for player kills which will help somewhat. They do need to address population balance, and I have no idea why batswarm exploiting was allowed to happen so long, (But it will forever make me hate DC.)

There have been multiple rumors about dueling and 5v5 and I believe ZEO even mentioned it was going to be added at a later date. Of course with the introduction of that the forums will be flooded with complaints x class cant beat y class in a 1v1 need nurfs naow.

Anything ZOS says I will take with a grain of salt.

Also yes you may be able to get VR10 like you said (I personally don't think its easy as it sound, it takes damn long) the fact is I have to do pve to gain it is what killed it for me and as others mentioned here. Force your pvp'ers to do pve...

and you know what's the funny part? it's so easy to fix by changing a value of a parameter so that xp is higher in cyrodil but no they decide to wait on it... why wait? why not implement it now and save your players? and don't get me started on the LACK OF COMMUNICATION, never have I see a game that not a SINGLE developer has at least replied to any of our questions or concerns.

So I believe you have not seen GW2 forums...

TheBaldGuy

RaZaddha wrote: »

Lucardes wrote: »

Dalriaden wrote: »

JexTex wrote: »

Yep...F2P in less than year for sure lol....the terrible veteran system has ran alot of people off...out of 75 of my guild members a good 35-40% havent logged in about 5+ days...they simply put to much single player into the game look at swtor...

Don't get it. Didn't take long at all to get VR10. Get an exp bonus for grouping with guildmates, and can wear two ring of maras and therefore have two dedicated quest partners, or more for when some are offline. The game is what you make of it. Very few of the VR rank main story line quests are individual and the one that was phased for individuals Im half certain was a bug. So if you're in a group...questing together...it's a multiplayer game.

Guess it's just easier to come on the forum and whine its a single player game but I went 15 or so - VR10 with a tank/healer and myself as dps.

PVP experience could use a buff and theyre buffing the amount for player kills which will help somewhat. They do need to address population balance, and I have no idea why batswarm exploiting was allowed to happen so long, (But it will forever make me hate DC.)

There have been multiple rumors about dueling and 5v5 and I believe ZEO even mentioned it was going to be added at a later date. Of course with the introduction of that the forums will be flooded with complaints x class cant beat y class in a 1v1 need nurfs naow.

Anything ZOS says I will take with a grain of salt.

Also yes you may be able to get VR10 like you said (I personally don't think its easy as it sound, it takes damn long) the fact is I have to do pve to gain it is what killed it for me and as others mentioned here. Force your pvp'ers to do pve...

and you know what's the funny part? it's so easy to fix by changing a value of a parameter so that xp is higher in cyrodil but no they decide to wait on it... why wait? why not implement it now and save your players? and don't get me started on the LACK OF COMMUNICATION, never have I see a game that not a SINGLE developer has at least replied to any of our questions or concerns.

So I believe you have not seen GW2 forums...

There really is no point in arguing with him. He quit and is now trolling the forums trying to get others to quit. he says when pvp gets better he will come back. Quite honestly who cares whether he stays away or comes back. He quit because he had to do something marginal. All I see is a band wagon attention seeking whiner.

darkdruidssb14_ESO

Alestair wrote: »

Actually PVP is getting more and more now that there are no "invincible" vampires now. So, me and friends came back to pvp and well, we are enjoying it once more

I think this is true as well. My guild seems to think more people are coming back to PvP because less people feel forced to run vamp builds to be competitive. Also more people are hitting higher levels now and are interested to check out PvP now that the vampires have been adjusted. People already knew that there was an issue in PvP even if they weren't PvPing yet so they were waiting for things to be adjust before even trying it.

RaZaddha wrote: »

So I believe you have not seen GW2 forums...

That made me laugh. Months of people complaining on forums about classes and pvp with no developer comments at all.

Lucardes

TheBaldGuy wrote: »

RaZaddha wrote: »

Lucardes wrote: »

Dalriaden wrote: »

JexTex wrote: »

Yep...F2P in less than year for sure lol....the terrible veteran system has ran alot of people off...out of 75 of my guild members a good 35-40% havent logged in about 5+ days...they simply put to much single player into the game look at swtor...

Don't get it. Didn't take long at all to get VR10. Get an exp bonus for grouping with guildmates, and can wear two ring of maras and therefore have two dedicated quest partners, or more for when some are offline. The game is what you make of it. Very few of the VR rank main story line quests are individual and the one that was phased for individuals Im half certain was a bug. So if you're in a group...questing together...it's a multiplayer game.

Guess it's just easier to come on the forum and whine its a single player game but I went 15 or so - VR10 with a tank/healer and myself as dps.

PVP experience could use a buff and theyre buffing the amount for player kills which will help somewhat. They do need to address population balance, and I have no idea why batswarm exploiting was allowed to happen so long, (But it will forever make me hate DC.)

There have been multiple rumors about dueling and 5v5 and I believe ZEO even mentioned it was going to be added at a later date. Of course with the introduction of that the forums will be flooded with complaints x class cant beat y class in a 1v1 need nurfs naow.

Anything ZOS says I will take with a grain of salt.

Also yes you may be able to get VR10 like you said (I personally don't think its easy as it sound, it takes damn long) the fact is I have to do pve to gain it is what killed it for me and as others mentioned here. Force your pvp'ers to do pve...

and you know what's the funny part? it's so easy to fix by changing a value of a parameter so that xp is higher in cyrodil but no they decide to wait on it... why wait? why not implement it now and save your players? and don't get me started on the LACK OF COMMUNICATION, never have I see a game that not a SINGLE developer has at least replied to any of our questions or concerns.

So I believe you have not seen GW2 forums...

There really is no point in arguing with him. He quit and is now trolling the forums trying to get others to quit. he says when pvp gets better he will come back. Quite honestly who cares whether he stays away or comes back. He quit because he had to do something marginal. All I see is a band wagon attention seeking whiner.

Good assumption but not true, I'm trying to get ZOS to get to say something... making it more voiced. That's my intention and my hope in the near future, don't mind me quitting.

Alexandrious

Sykotik_ESO wrote: »

All these doomsayers remind me of the show doomsday preppers for when everyone thought the world was going to end in 2012 lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQKag_OBHqc

kyerofox1b14_ESO

I am suprised no one mentioned WildStar. If you want a PVP MMO, that seems to be the dream game imho. Warplots >>>> Zergfest siege battles sofar.

TrillBilly

Terminus wrote: »

Well Lucardes, what do you believe should be done to fix the problem?
You say you dislike it, but haven't posted what you believe can be done to fix it.
You just expect Zenimax to tell you what they come up with.

Now I believe that it is up to us,
the community,
to try to unbalance the various campaigns.

For example, although my guild (The Noore) owns Skullcrusher,
we very regularly travel to Goldbrand and other campaigns to try and even them out until our home comes under attack.

Now in regards to fixing the population problem,
The number of keeps owned should count towards Alliance population.
If you own every single keep in a campaign, make it so the population is High.

Why should anyone that doesn't work or make games for a living have to come up with something people get paid good money to. Do you think when someone comes with an awesome idea and then some dev or whoever does those things see it and makes it into the game that poster gets any cred for it?

No they won't so why every time some that PAID GOOD MONEY for a game has a LEGITIMATE complaint someone always says "WELL YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER". sure buddy when we start gettin paid to do so.

canghai

the game is one month in and u except a fix for all the problems?
every mmo had problems for at least the first 4 months and we r only 1 month in

Lucardes

canghai wrote: »

the game is one month in and u except a fix for all the problems?
every mmo had problems for at least the first 4 months and we r only 1 month in

You missed a point, they haven't even said they are fixing it or even acknowledging the problem. I understand problems happen and its expected. But take a look at all the alliance war forums... all you see is balance discussion, recommendations, some complains here and there. This is common every day and nothing being said or even mentioned in their "recent" road-map they put out. THIS makes me concerned. Hopefully my recent activity around the forums catched a few decision makers eyes.

There's so many good suggestions people are spilling out but now I feel even those are pointless because of no COMMUNICATION for ZOS. Leave your customers clueless then I'd have to expect the worst

rawne1980b16_ESO

kyerofox1b14_ESO wrote: »

I am suprised no one mentioned WildStar. If you want a PVP MMO, that seems to be the dream game imho. Warplots >>>> Zergfest siege battles sofar.

I was in the beta last weekend.

They only had 1 "battleground" up which involved capturing masks. Kinda like capture the flag type thing.

It was utter crap.

People think the healing in this game is bad but that is terrible. Several medics spamming in a group fight and nothing dies.

That and the PvE was mind numbingly boring.

The houses were nice though .... but that's it.

The only thing I could possibly say about Wildstar is .... i'll never pay money for that shower of man juice.

nukeyoo

Game isn't perfect 1 month out.

Zenimax doesn't share how they're going to make it perfect.

I will go to the forums and.....

and tell everyone repeatedly how I unsubbed...........but still play!
My friends give me encouragement.

while any person that reads the forums with a bit of sense and patience is thinking...

Xsorus

kyerofox1b14_ESO wrote: »

I am suprised no one mentioned WildStar. If you want a PVP MMO, that seems to be the dream game imho. Warplots >>>> Zergfest siege battles sofar.

Warplots are awful

But there is a whole other reason that game is terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK65BUhNwPs

You watch that.. and tell me that's enjoyable to watch

Godzeelas

Lucardes wrote: »

xPALERIDERx wrote: »

Fix it yourself, transfer to a more balanced campaign. Easy fix.

Funny you mention that because there's not a SINGLE campaign that is balanced that I know of... no joke

Dawnbreaker EU. Played in all the campaigns. This one is by far the best EP/DC/AC fight it out evenly!!! Auriels Bow is very good as well but for some reason at peak times that campagn is simply unplayable due to lag. When dawnbreaker is full during peak times you "might" get some lag at some times (and that will be fixed when the EU megaserver is shiped to EU lol) but nothing gamebreaking.

Alexandrious

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

kyerofox1b14_ESO wrote: »

I am suprised no one mentioned WildStar. If you want a PVP MMO, that seems to be the dream game imho. Warplots >>>> Zergfest siege battles sofar.

Warplots are awful

But there is a whole other reason that game is terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK65BUhNwPs

You watch that.. and tell me that's enjoyable to watch

Not any worse than the lagging, DC dropping, infinite loads, 5-10 vampires destroying 60 or so players cluster*** we got right now.

Phantorang

maholi wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

The notes also says:

Underdog bonuses in Cyrodiil—you’ll get more Alliance Points while fighting for an alliance with a lower population in your campaign

Which is more than nothing, and tells me they are taking the imbalance issue seriously. But I think they are careful with what they do, to avoid over compensation. Doing to much could be just as bad, so finding the right balance will take some time, but we will get there I believe

Except this seems flawed to me. For NA/DB the highest alliance points are held by the underdog teams (EP/DC) for the simple reason that there are more AD to kill. They always have action. We suffer from DR on killing them and they aren't always easy to find. Awarding them even more will escalate them even further above us. Although maybe that is the point (?) Not sure why they think this is necessary.

I guess its to motivate more players from EP/DC to mitigate to your NA/DB campaign for more points, and AD to mitigate to another campaign to also get more points. But if its effective, and actually makes players move to other campaigns, time will show.

Jadeviper1974

I will be honest I got to lvl 12 on my main, discovered that my build wasn't going to work like I wanted and didn't have the money to respec, so I have just quit, don't feel like doing 12 levels over, considering how boring the first 12 were.

Dalriaden

kyerofox1b14_ESO wrote: »

I am suprised no one mentioned WildStar. If you want a PVP MMO, that seems to be the dream game imho. Warplots >>>> Zergfest siege battles sofar.

All with phineas and pherb styled graphics. >.>

steveb16_ESO46

I have 2 characters in 2 DC guilds. The bigger guild cut and run from goldbrand to dawnbreaker EU because it didn't like losing as another faction was just rolling the map up every night.

The smaller guild stayed, got organised, organised other guilds to work together, a few weeks later we got our leader crowned Emperor.

And that's the idea. It's a war, not cricket. Stand your ground and turn things around. For me it's not about 'winning', it's about fighting the good fight.

Organisation, leadership and tactics can turn any situation around.

Gisgo

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

I have 2 characters in 2 DC guilds. The bigger guild cut and run from goldbrand to dawnbreaker EU because it didn't like losing as another faction was just rolling the map up every night.

The smaller guild stayed, got organised, organised other guilds to work together, a few weeks later we got our leader crowned Emperor.

And that's the idea. It's a war, not cricket. Stand your ground and turn things around. For me it's not about 'winning', it's about fighting the good fight.

Organisation, leadership and tactics can turn any situation around.

Man i wish more people understood this.
Most of the big guilds are literally running away from the enemy.

DelraelNavarre

nukeyoo wrote: »

Game isn't perfect 1 month out.

Zenimax doesn't share how they're going to make it perfect.

I will go to the forums and.....

and tell everyone repeatedly how I unsubbed...........but still play!
My friends give me encouragement.

while any person that reads the forums with a bit of sense and patience is thinking...

OMG, I needed a good laugh this morning, thanks friend.

The only thing that has really bothered me is with the bounty quests going to once a day, there is no real way to level through PvP, something which I had been looking forward to enjoying since early Beta. Yes, I can run around still and get xp for taking keeps, etc., while getting the ever-loving stuffing beat out of me for forty levels by those who bit the bullet and leveled up in PvE.

Ok, ok, you say the bounty quests were being exploited (what doesn't get exploited in a MMO?), but there hasn't even been word of something to replace it. That's what disappoints me. My 2 cents.


P.S. Btw, nukeyoo, you owe me $300 to replace my monitor which has coffee dripping off of it now.

Zintair

Lucardes wrote: »

Dalriaden wrote: »

JexTex wrote: »

Yep...F2P in less than year for sure lol....the terrible veteran system has ran alot of people off...out of 75 of my guild members a good 35-40% havent logged in about 5+ days...they simply put to much single player into the game look at swtor...

Don't get it. Didn't take long at all to get VR10. Get an exp bonus for grouping with guildmates, and can wear two ring of maras and therefore have two dedicated quest partners, or more for when some are offline. The game is what you make of it. Very few of the VR rank main story line quests are individual and the one that was phased for individuals Im half certain was a bug. So if you're in a group...questing together...it's a multiplayer game.

Guess it's just easier to come on the forum and whine its a single player game but I went 15 or so - VR10 with a tank/healer and myself as dps.

PVP experience could use a buff and theyre buffing the amount for player kills which will help somewhat. They do need to address population balance, and I have no idea why batswarm exploiting was allowed to happen so long, (But it will forever make me hate DC.)

There have been multiple rumors about dueling and 5v5 and I believe ZEO even mentioned it was going to be added at a later date. Of course with the introduction of that the forums will be flooded with complaints x class cant beat y class in a 1v1 need nurfs naow.

Anything ZOS says I will take with a grain of salt.

Also yes you may be able to get VR10 like you said (I personally don't think its easy as it sound, it takes damn long) the fact is I have to do pve to gain it is what killed it for me and as others mentioned here. Force your pvp'ers to do pve...

and you know what's the funny part? it's so easy to fix by changing a value of a parameter so that xp is higher in cyrodil but no they decide to wait on it... why wait? why not implement it now and save your players? and don't get me started on the LACK OF COMMUNICATION, never have I see a game that not a SINGLE developer has at least replied to any of our questions or concerns.

DAOC you had to level PvE to play PvP and that was 2x as hard as this.

You would actually LOSE Xp when you died. There was no buff system when you entered PvP so if you came across a 50 and you were 35 guess what would happen?

People were FORCED to organize and get their *** together.

I am near positive you never played just based on the posts you have been making the past few weeks.

You claim to want a solution yet I only see part of the problem.

Zintair

nukeyoo wrote: »

Game isn't perfect 1 month out.

Zenimax doesn't share how they're going to make it perfect.

I will go to the forums and.....

and tell everyone repeatedly how I unsubbed...........but still play!
My friends give me encouragement.

while any person that reads the forums with a bit of sense and patience is thinking...

This is a win for common sense!!!

ChairGraveyard

PvP isn't as bad as it can get yet.

Just wait until the AoE cap is in and guilds start using stacking exploits.

Nightscar

Lucardes wrote: »

I'm contemplating to unsub'n today. The future outlook (http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/05/01/the-road-ahead---may-1st?ref=home) mentions nothing for PvP except for the Imperial city. I honestly can't see how the unbalanced campaigns can go for this long. It's really surprising that not once are they even saying ANYTHING about it.

They are STILL doing quest fixes on quests that probably not being experienced for most people. The whole concept of how they implemented pvp on multiple campaigns is the first mistake and then not enforcing a stricker population lock/balancing mechanism is another but really what's hitting the nail here is there's NO COMMUNICATION from ZOS about the acknowledgement of the problem or if they are addressing.

Yes I'm strongly thinking of unsubing. I have 8 more free days and within those 8 days if nothing progress or no communication happens, I'm done. I'm a player who's in it for the pvp not pve. At least Star Citizen (which is not out yet) communicates with their fanbase on a DAILY basis and the game is not even out yet. Go figure.. big coporates are just what it is, ZOS is no different than EA, very slow to address anything and very particular on who from their staff can communicate, thus I have to assume they ain't doing *** to fix pvp.

IMO..
good
PvP has no businesses in a fantasy game, it should all be PvE anyway! All it does is offshoot the balance of the game, and make crybabies..
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Go play CoD or something

Zintair

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

PvP isn't as bad as it can get yet.

Just wait until the AoE cap is in and guilds start using stacking exploits.

It already is in, there are only a few Ultimate abilities that aren't affected.

Stacking won't work as well as you think... trust me.

LGAllastair

Zintair wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

PvP isn't as bad as it can get yet.

Just wait until the AoE cap is in and guilds start using stacking exploits.

It already is in, there are only a few Ultimate abilities that aren't affected.

Stacking won't work as well as you think... trust me.

*Cough* Talons and DK Standard *cough*

ChairGraveyard

Zintair wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

PvP isn't as bad as it can get yet.

Just wait until the AoE cap is in and guilds start using stacking exploits.

It already is in, there are only a few Ultimate abilities that aren't affected.

Stacking won't work as well as you think... trust me.

It won't work that well until they cap the last few abilities which currently act as counters.

I've witnessed stacking first hand. Stacking cheaters are essentially immune to damage due to the way healing works.

Either way, you think PvP is bad now? Just wait until it's nothing but stacking cheaters.