DK solos Craglon Delve...

davidhorstub17_ESO

are you using magicka furnance or something? you seemed to spend like no mana while inhaling so much.

Nijjion

Didn't they already nerf ult gain through ultimates?

Punche

Mykah wrote: »

Well Talons IS getting fixed so it only effects 3 targets so this wont be possible after that change anyways.
Its hard to tell how good this guy is AE kiting PVE mobs using a few abilities and not even needing to dodge roll, kind of reminds me of EQ1 druid kiting.
People confuse skill with FOTM min maxers finding broken builds first.

Also you seem keen on the idea I am struggeling in VR content which is why I'm here discusing Ulti mechanics in a video showing a min maxer soloing GROUP content on his broken PvE class. I would probably wipe the floor with this guy 1v1 no offense to him as I'm a twitch pvper first a foremost, because I'm not a PvE mob stuck in his Talon Spam.

I find your inference that fixing NB abilities would allow the class to perform like the DK in this video silly, and think your arguing for the sake of discrediting my point rather than being realistic. Not that it matters, as I said Talons is getting fixed with a target cap.

NB's can currently solo VR bosses without using their ultimate ONCE.

youtube.com/watch?v=PJVgYs3MFA4

So, quit crying about DK's. Thanks.

Mykah

This is clearly just exploiting the buggy mechanics of shadow cloak because NB is an UNFINISHED class.

This one trick pony exploit is not justification for a DK using a actual build and soloing VR 11 group content using no exploits.

Not that it matters anyways as Talons is getting capped and hopfully the devs can then take a long overdue look into NB bugs.

sagitter

This happens often also in pvp , but usually + bash. Spam talons (great cc with dmg , no immunity and a great synergy) and standards with an insane amount of dmg, (150 dmg tick every second for 15 secs , 17 secs or more with passive for a total of 2k damage , a great synergy and more , is the best ultimate ) , and if you are low on health you got the magic trick of "green dragon blood", better than an healer . Its not a coincidence if the strongest players are dk, and you are a lier if you tell that its not true.
+ My point of view , small fix, 7 secs immunity timer on talons and ultimates reuse timer (all classes) should be great for the game balance.

Grim13

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAH!

Did someone really just type that NB could do anything even slightly resembling what a DK can do!?!

..funny troll is funny... seriously, I'm wiping the tears from my eyes here.

Punche

Grim13 wrote: »

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAH!

Did someone really just type that NB could do anything even slightly resembling what a DK can do!?!

..funny troll is funny... seriously, I'm wiping the tears from my eyes here.

Yeah, they can do it easier than a DK can. Did you even watch the video? LMAO not sure if stupid or just trolling...

Punche

Mykah wrote: »

This is clearly just exploiting the buggy mechanics of shadow cloak because NB is an UNFINISHED class.

This one trick pony exploit is not justification for a DK using a actual build and soloing VR 11 group content using no exploits.

Not that it matters anyways as Talons is getting capped and hopfully the devs can then take a long overdue look into NB bugs.

You do understand that this video was made with the aoe cap in place right? It's already showing the nerfed version of a DK. I find it funny that you think any DK could just faceroll through this stuff, and discredit the actual player who is the most experienced you can get with the game, even when he gives you the build for each class for which this would be possible to solo. I mean really... lol?

Attorneyatlawl

Mykah wrote: »

I don't know every DK skill forgive the Ulti reduction comment.

The intention of my post is a NB can't keep up his Ulti the way the DK does in this video spamming Standard and Talons. They need to fix Ulti so it doesnt regen while and Ulti is active.

Its hilarious to me the OP thinks this kind of play would work on a NB and shows how delusional people become playing unbalanced mechanics that are in their favor. "If my class can do it everyone can do it, people need to learn how"... Cognitive dissonance.

Drain Power and any aoe from a weapon skill will keep an NB topped off on ult like crazy .

Niffo

Balance in this game is an absolute joke, and Zenimax sitting on their hands is really not helping themselves. They need to make changes faster than their current 4-6 week schedule. Having your game go to hell because you want to put out a big patch is a terrible idea, there is bi-weekly maintenance minor balance patches should be going out atleast weekly. Time is not on Zenimaxs side.

ChampionSheWolf

Getorix wrote: »

Cant believe someone made a AAA western mmo with a potion chugging mechanic.

If they don't get rid of the insane idea that anyone can balance a game where any combo of stupid skill sets are viable without over powering all the smart builds, get back to the trinity and do away with potion chugging this games pve is doomed. And stuff like this video will be happening all the time.

First time i ever heard potion chugging would be the doom of an MMO. In fact I am curious where people mystically believe that ESO just developed or reintroduced a basic MMO staple. Potions are typically labeled as a resource in MMOs, thus using a resource is how it works. If you haven't a need to use a resource then the mechanics are too easy. If you are being forced to use resources, guess what, the games actually more balanced than any MMO in recent memory.

Just because WoW keeps doing things to dumb their game down to appease stroke off the casual market extraneously doesn't make it the right way.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Punche wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Well Talons IS getting fixed so it only effects 3 targets so this wont be possible after that change anyways.
Its hard to tell how good this guy is AE kiting PVE mobs using a few abilities and not even needing to dodge roll, kind of reminds me of EQ1 druid kiting.
People confuse skill with FOTM min maxers finding broken builds first.

Also you seem keen on the idea I am struggeling in VR content which is why I'm here discusing Ulti mechanics in a video showing a min maxer soloing GROUP content on his broken PvE class. I would probably wipe the floor with this guy 1v1 no offense to him as I'm a twitch pvper first a foremost, because I'm not a PvE mob stuck in his Talon Spam.

I find your inference that fixing NB abilities would allow the class to perform like the DK in this video silly, and think your arguing for the sake of discrediting my point rather than being realistic. Not that it matters, as I said Talons is getting fixed with a target cap.

NB's can currently solo VR bosses without using their ultimate ONCE.

youtube.com/watch?v=PJVgYs3MFA4

So, quit crying about DK's. Thanks.

This is a craglorn boss that is made for four people.

Mykah

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

I don't know every DK skill forgive the Ulti reduction comment.

The intention of my post is a NB can't keep up his Ulti the way the DK does in this video spamming Standard and Talons. They need to fix Ulti so it doesnt regen while and Ulti is active.

Its hilarious to me the OP thinks this kind of play would work on a NB and shows how delusional people become playing unbalanced mechanics that are in their favor. "If my class can do it everyone can do it, people need to learn how"... Cognitive dissonance.

Drain Power and any aoe from a weapon skill will keep an NB topped off on ult like crazy .

I think you have Drain Power confused with Siphoning Strikes, neither of which offer any type of bonus Ultimate generation. It is true Siphoning Strikes morphed into Siphoning Attacks will allow a NB spamming AE on multiple targets to keep their resources full. However, doing so will remove Leeching Strikes from the build, which is a NBs best and only real health regen ability. Leeching strikes is however single target based and requires normal weapon attacks to heal, meaning its AE potential is nonexistant, meaning a AE kite build is only possible if we forgo self healing, making the type of AE kite and heal spam showed by you impossible for a NB.

The theory craft suggestion claiming this type of play is possible for a NB is just plain false.

I'm fine with NB right now aside from its myriad of of bugged skills and passives. I don't think NB should be able to solo tank VR group content, and it cant.

I think the real issue here is Ultimate generation using Ultimate abilities, which is the exact point you made in your first post, despite the false claim NB can perform like DKs, we are generally in agreement.

Drachenfier

awkwarrd wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe vampire isn't the problem... but the ability to gain ultimate from your ultimate and ultimate CDR....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXdLy3KYmWc

Can any other class do that?????????? (except sorc obviously)

Yea, all of them...he's using pulsar as his main damaging attack. Not to mention, he even says that he only soloed the trash mobs up to the first boss.

Drachenfier

Mykah wrote: »

"A nightblade could complete this encounter by using siphoning strikes toggled on with the "any ability" proc chance morph to give resources back, in conjunction with aoe's such as power drain and whirlwind or a destruction staff with pulsar/etc. to keep themselves topped with practically unlimited resources thanks to so many adds spawning providing ample targets to proc off of and keep ult generated. The trickier part for them would be the healing, however they can use the Veil of Blades ultimate to provide themselves a 60% damage reduction for the bulk of the encounter that also damages/helps kill off the adds, and heal using ambush+swallow soul (boosted by the ambush). Pop on a resto staff with the instant cast morph of Force Siphon to add some extra healing on every hit of the boss (I did this with my DK in the video but I didn't have the instant version available on him so I simply did it at the start of the fight and let it lapse). and it would be enough to keep yourself alive until victory"

This is tneory craft from someone who has nevered played a VR Nightblade. Keeping up a 15 second ultimate an entire fight for a NB is rediculous as we cannot build Ulti like a DK standard and talons spam. At most we could reduce Veil of Blades to 100 Ulti, and if we're supposed to be using Leeching Strikes at -25% damage, we aren't going to be making that 100 ulti back spamming 75% power WWs. Also your claim we are supposed to Ambush INTO a target to boost Swallow Soul healing is rediculous as your video clearly shows you KITING the entire fight to stay alive. There is simply no way a NB could pull off something like this.

Ultimate cost reduction gear and passives need to be removed from the game period. Also Ultimate should not regen while an Ulti ability is active. After that they can get to work on the broken NB trees for the 100 of us not rerolling FOTM DK or Sorc builds.

here ya go, NB popping Veil of Blades 3 times in one fight.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nl2m_6dC-ew

davidetombab16_ESO

Drachenfier wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

"A nightblade could complete this encounter by using siphoning strikes toggled on with the "any ability" proc chance morph to give resources back, in conjunction with aoe's such as power drain and whirlwind or a destruction staff with pulsar/etc. to keep themselves topped with practically unlimited resources thanks to so many adds spawning providing ample targets to proc off of and keep ult generated. The trickier part for them would be the healing, however they can use the Veil of Blades ultimate to provide themselves a 60% damage reduction for the bulk of the encounter that also damages/helps kill off the adds, and heal using ambush+swallow soul (boosted by the ambush). Pop on a resto staff with the instant cast morph of Force Siphon to add some extra healing on every hit of the boss (I did this with my DK in the video but I didn't have the instant version available on him so I simply did it at the start of the fight and let it lapse). and it would be enough to keep yourself alive until victory"

This is tneory craft from someone who has nevered played a VR Nightblade. Keeping up a 15 second ultimate an entire fight for a NB is rediculous as we cannot build Ulti like a DK standard and talons spam. At most we could reduce Veil of Blades to 100 Ulti, and if we're supposed to be using Leeching Strikes at -25% damage, we aren't going to be making that 100 ulti back spamming 75% power WWs. Also your claim we are supposed to Ambush INTO a target to boost Swallow Soul healing is rediculous as your video clearly shows you KITING the entire fight to stay alive. There is simply no way a NB could pull off something like this.

Ultimate cost reduction gear and passives need to be removed from the game period. Also Ultimate should not regen while an Ulti ability is active. After that they can get to work on the broken NB trees for the 100 of us not rerolling FOTM DK or Sorc builds.

here ya go, NB popping Veil of Blades 3 times in one fight.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nl2m_6dC-ew

same tactics of DK but DK has better cc , better aoe,better ultimate, better resistance, better self health, better passive.

Niffo

Drachenfier wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe vampire isn't the problem... but the ability to gain ultimate from your ultimate and ultimate CDR....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXdLy3KYmWc

Can any other class do that?????????? (except sorc obviously)

Yea, all of them...he's using pulsar as his main damaging attack. Not to mention, he even says that he only soloed the trash mobs up to the first boss.

Wow, Dragonknights can use Pulsar without equipping a Destruction Staff? That doesn't seem right. He was using Dual Wield and Restoration Staff, and mostly casting class abilities. Its a good thing people love to brag on the internet, they can fuel their own class nerfs.

ThreeEyedCrow

@Attorneyatlawl

davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

are you using magicka furnance or something? you seemed to spend like no mana while inhaling so much.

I am curious about this too. You must be geared for spell cost reduction?

Drachenfier

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe vampire isn't the problem... but the ability to gain ultimate from your ultimate and ultimate CDR....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXdLy3KYmWc

Can any other class do that?????????? (except sorc obviously)

Yea, all of them...he's using pulsar as his main damaging attack. Not to mention, he even says that he only soloed the trash mobs up to the first boss.

Wow, Dragonknights can use Pulsar without equipping a Destruction Staff? That doesn't seem right. He was using Dual Wield and Restoration Staff, and mostly casting class abilities. Its a good thing people love to brag on the internet, they can fuel their own class nerfs.

you're right, I was confusing it with the video of the Templar doin it.

Drachenfier

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

"A nightblade could complete this encounter by using siphoning strikes toggled on with the "any ability" proc chance morph to give resources back, in conjunction with aoe's such as power drain and whirlwind or a destruction staff with pulsar/etc. to keep themselves topped with practically unlimited resources thanks to so many adds spawning providing ample targets to proc off of and keep ult generated. The trickier part for them would be the healing, however they can use the Veil of Blades ultimate to provide themselves a 60% damage reduction for the bulk of the encounter that also damages/helps kill off the adds, and heal using ambush+swallow soul (boosted by the ambush). Pop on a resto staff with the instant cast morph of Force Siphon to add some extra healing on every hit of the boss (I did this with my DK in the video but I didn't have the instant version available on him so I simply did it at the start of the fight and let it lapse). and it would be enough to keep yourself alive until victory"

This is tneory craft from someone who has nevered played a VR Nightblade. Keeping up a 15 second ultimate an entire fight for a NB is rediculous as we cannot build Ulti like a DK standard and talons spam. At most we could reduce Veil of Blades to 100 Ulti, and if we're supposed to be using Leeching Strikes at -25% damage, we aren't going to be making that 100 ulti back spamming 75% power WWs. Also your claim we are supposed to Ambush INTO a target to boost Swallow Soul healing is rediculous as your video clearly shows you KITING the entire fight to stay alive. There is simply no way a NB could pull off something like this.

Ultimate cost reduction gear and passives need to be removed from the game period. Also Ultimate should not regen while an Ulti ability is active. After that they can get to work on the broken NB trees for the 100 of us not rerolling FOTM DK or Sorc builds.

here ya go, NB popping Veil of Blades 3 times in one fight.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nl2m_6dC-ew

same tactics of DK but DK has better cc , better aoe,better ultimate, better resistance, better self health, better passive.

Veiled Blades gives 30% more defense than Standard for less damage
but I do agree about most of the rest. NB aoe isn't bad, people just dont' use it....Draw Essence, Twisting Path and Veiled Blades do some pretty good aoe damage.

Attorneyatlawl

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

@Attorneyatlawl

davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

are you using magicka furnance or something? you seemed to spend like no mana while inhaling so much.

I am curious about this too. You must be geared for spell cost reduction?

Yes, and yes. Plus inhale with magicka restore morph, and ultimate to restore magicka.

Punche

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

This is a craglorn boss that is made for four people.

And the video I linked is not just one, but four dungeon bosses being solo'd. You know that dungeons are made for four people, right?

Punche

Edit: double post

Niffo

Punche wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

This is a craglorn boss that is made for four people.

And the video I linked is not just one, but four dungeon bosses being solo'd. You know that dungeons are made for four people, right?

Your video showed a Nightblade using an ability that bugs out the AI to solo a VR dungeon. If npcs worked properly when someone goes invis that Nightblade would not have been able to complete the dungeon.

NordJitsu

Omg!

Guys a skilled player performed an impressive feat of player skill.

Nerf player skill please.

Only problem in the video is that Talons is hitting more targets than intended, but I think Attorney could do this even after that bug is fixed.

chrisub17_ESO104

I don't think most people realize, or are willing to admit, just how much of a skill difference there is between Attorneyatlawl and most of the rest of us.

And the combat mechanics in this game reward that skill heavily, more so then any other mmo I can think of.

Look at it this way. If they balanced the game around Attorneyatlawl, most of us would probably be at level 20 still.

Mykah

Drachenfier wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

"A nightblade could complete this encounter by using siphoning strikes toggled on with the "any ability" proc chance morph to give resources back, in conjunction with aoe's such as power drain and whirlwind or a destruction staff with pulsar/etc. to keep themselves topped with practically unlimited resources thanks to so many adds spawning providing ample targets to proc off of and keep ult generated. The trickier part for them would be the healing, however they can use the Veil of Blades ultimate to provide themselves a 60% damage reduction for the bulk of the encounter that also damages/helps kill off the adds, and heal using ambush+swallow soul (boosted by the ambush). Pop on a resto staff with the instant cast morph of Force Siphon to add some extra healing on every hit of the boss (I did this with my DK in the video but I didn't have the instant version available on him so I simply did it at the start of the fight and let it lapse). and it would be enough to keep yourself alive until victory"

This is tneory craft from someone who has nevered played a VR Nightblade. Keeping up a 15 second ultimate an entire fight for a NB is rediculous as we cannot build Ulti like a DK standard and talons spam. At most we could reduce Veil of Blades to 100 Ulti, and if we're supposed to be using Leeching Strikes at -25% damage, we aren't going to be making that 100 ulti back spamming 75% power WWs. Also your claim we are supposed to Ambush INTO a target to boost Swallow Soul healing is rediculous as your video clearly shows you KITING the entire fight to stay alive. There is simply no way a NB could pull off something like this.

Ultimate cost reduction gear and passives need to be removed from the game period. Also Ultimate should not regen while an Ulti ability is active. After that they can get to work on the broken NB trees for the 100 of us not rerolling FOTM DK or Sorc builds.

here ya go, NB popping Veil of Blades 3 times in one fight.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nl2m_6dC-ew

Against level 28 none VR mobs in a public dungeon... and watching the video he uses his ultimate once for three different mob packs.

Lol why are you even posting in a big boy thread.

Niffo

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

I don't think most people realize, or are willing to admit, just how much of a skill difference there is between Attorneyatlawl and most of the rest of us.

And the combat mechanics in this game reward that skill heavily, more so then any other mmo I can think of.

Look at it this way. If they balanced the game around Attorneyatlawl, most of us would probably be at level 20 still.

Wow, your nose must smell terrible right now. Playing easily what is most likely the strongest class in the game, and holding block while using instant cast abilities, yeah that's has to be skill right there. If he can do the same on any class then yes, hes skilled. Being able to block while using instant cast abilities is what makes this possible.

Mykah

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

I don't think most people realize, or are willing to admit, just how much of a skill difference there is between Attorneyatlawl and most of the rest of us.

And the combat mechanics in this game reward that skill heavily, more so then any other mmo I can think of.

Look at it this way. If they balanced the game around Attorneyatlawl, most of us would probably be at level 20 still.

Fanboy propping up his class hero out of cognitive dissonance.

There is nothing remarkable about the OP video except how easy DK is to PvE in its current form, no offense to him as a player, but this is the level of player skill you would see out of solo PvE in EQ1 15 years ago, the difference being in EQ1 the player would have to individually target and snare each mob where as the ESO DK just AEs talons every ten seconds.

Color me old school but this is pretty basic stuff.

Rylana

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Punche wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

This is a craglorn boss that is made for four people.

And the video I linked is not just one, but four dungeon bosses being solo'd. You know that dungeons are made for four people, right?

Your video showed a Nightblade using an ability that bugs out the AI to solo a VR dungeon. If npcs worked properly when someone goes invis that Nightblade would not have been able to complete the dungeon.

Youre starting to sound pretty desperate