Dont you DARE think of rolling an alt for pvp at this point.

kirnmalidus

The bolstering system scales your base magicka, stamina and health. That's it. You still don't have the attribute points to boost those, skill points (and the morphed and leveled abilities that go with that), gear, etc.

A VR character who has spent the time and acquired those resources should have an advantage over someone who hasn't. Period.

But it's just that – an advantage. At the end of the day tactics and strategy could still lead to a victory for the lower level player, even if it is extremely unlikely and requires skill.

That's how it should be. People should be rewarded for putting in the effort to level up before they fight harder enemies. As others have pointed out it would be far more unfair to nerf veteran players in PvP and take that away from those who have earned it.

As someone already pointed (and by the way I disagree with labeling this person a troll, they were making a valid point and the fact that you disagree with that point doesn't make them a troll) – get good.

SwampRaider

As a VR3 i sometimes get 1 or 2 shotted by a level 10 stealthed NB...so why are you whining?

Mddnick

Its just like real life. My friends and I could pick up some hammers, but we will probably get our asses handed to us if we tried to fight Vikings or Soldiers.

Singular

Mddnick wrote: »

Its just like real life. My friends and I could pick up some hammers, but we will probably get our asses handed to us if we tried to fight Vikings or Soldiers.

No amount of solving people's problems in our pve world is going to get you good enough to fight Vikings, I'm sorry to say.

LeCreaux

..."at this point"...the game is 2 weeks old. The oldest characters have 19 days online if they bought the special edition.

Xsorus

So basically this game is like every other Mass PvP game released...Noobs aren't very good compared to people who've been playing longer.

Warhammer was like this, DAOC was like this, GW2 is like this....

Igolbug

I was killing Veterans at level 35-50 in 1v1s.

Cydone

Igolbug wrote: »

I was killing Veterans at level 35-50 in 1v1s.

No sir, that is a LIE! A BOLD FACED LIE!! The veteran players are un-killable gawds of pvp!!

azmyth

I've killed plenty of VR players, and I'm only level 24.. play better.

scave

I sort of expected to have to spend time levelling up, getting good gear, earning new skills and learning my class, and to gradually, gradually develop a character strong enough to kick ass in pvp. That's why I play mmorpg's, that's what it's meant to be about.

Otherwise I'd just go play BF4.

lao

345zac_ESO wrote: »

So, Heres a major problem. Veteran players.... are so op.. that anyone thats not a veteran rank doesn't even have a CHANCE to kill them. Oh no, dont think your gonna go stealth then kill them, dont you dare, because you wont even get them to half health before they heal up, no matter how powerful you are.

If your thinking of rolling a new character for pvp, I dont think so buddy. You will never be any good because your already behind the leveling curve. Almost everyone is atleast V1. Your outta luck, buddy, because your gonna be dying an awful lot if you cant find a way to catch up with the v1s.

Nice job with that balancing zenimax, Keep it up.

you have to level in order to compete at pvp. OH NOES THE HORROR!

jakelafondub17_ESO

345zac_ESO wrote: »

So, Heres a major problem. Veteran players.... are so op.. that anyone thats not a veteran rank doesn't even have a CHANCE to kill them.

This is just false. I've killed many veteran rank players pre-vet ranks and have seen others do the same.

345zac_ESO wrote: »

Oh no, dont think your gonna go stealth then kill them, dont you dare, because you wont even get them to half health before they heal up, no matter how powerful you are.

This is true. You aren't veteran rank and therefore are not as powerful as a veteran rank player, someone who by definition has put more time or effort into leveling their character than you (effort being they decided to level through PvE instead of PvP, something people know to not be a good way to level).

345zac_ESO wrote: »

If your thinking of rolling a new character for pvp, I dont think so buddy. You will never be any good because your already behind the leveling curve.

Good thing the curve stops at VR10 huh? Quit whining and go level your character.

345zac_ESO wrote: »

Nice job with that balancing zenimax, Keep it up.

Zenimax is doing a good job at balancing in terms of making everyone that reaches level 10 (something that takes only a few hours) as powerful as someone that is level 50 (something that could take days). Veteran ranks are supposed to be more powerful because it takes longer to achieve them.

If you were a true competitive pvp player, you would be grinding to veteran rank 10 instead of whining on forums.

Lexander

its not about the veteran badge next to their name, its also their gear and their pvp experience, and an actual alliance war rank badge next to the name of a player tells more of his threat level than his VR

bunch of veterans still have no idea even how to break CC

also a dangerous enemy wont be running alone on his own on the first place, they are usually a part of a group which is leveling/grinding/nolifing together

so if you keep getting killed by every solo veteran player 1v1 up to a point where you think of VR as an unfair advantage I suggest you to become better before you complain again.

neocomab16_ESO

oh who cares. the times you face a single vet are so rare like legendary crafting mats, I really enjoy pvp , really do. used to play hours in swtor doing bgs all day. was fun. what I dont enjoy however is either getting zerged in split seconds or watching my actions having no impact because everyone is getting healed up instantly thanks to ...the zerg again. So basically ...every time I enter cyrodiil after a few mins a question myself why I am in this zone again ...

Laura

higher level players have an advantage over lower level players? wow what a novel concept. I would have thought it would work the other way around.

Cydone

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

oh who cares. the times you face a single vet are so rare like legendary crafting mats, I really enjoy pvp , really do. used to play hours in swtor doing bgs all day. was fun. what I dont enjoy however is either getting zerged in split seconds or watching my actions having no impact because everyone is getting healed up instantly thanks to ...the zerg again. So basically ...every time I enter cyrodiil after a few mins a question myself why I am in this zone again ...

If you think that SWTOR pvp was good or even balanced, then you really need to just uninstall life.

Srugzal

merryblues wrote: »

Any chance you could just look at the player before you attack? If you're still low level, there's plenty of those on all sides - you can pick your battles. In pve you see a boss mob that you know is going to wipe the floor with you. Do you complain that the boss is too powerful and should be nerfed, or do you wait for other people and get some help, or you can get stronger and try it another time.. If you want to solo a top player then you know what you have to do.

I agree with this comment, however there's a lot of humor here, because "complain that the boss is too powerful and should be nerfed" is exactly what people do. Does "Gutsripper" ring a bell? Anyone?

The reality is, you need to pick your battles and be aware of the risks you're taking. There's nothing to be done about VR players lying in wait for lower level players, ganking and getting ganked is part of MMO life.

However, maybe you shouldn't be taking on an upper level veteran-ranked player character willingly. Not until you can stand toe-to-toe and make a good account of yourself. Go back and level, get your revenge another day.

For heaven's sake, don't advocate for making the game less competitive. Let the VR++ people rule in Cyrodiil. Become one yourself, and then go and kick ass.

skarvika

Running along with 2 guilds which both have many veteran players, I've observed that the only way to kill a veteran level players is with...another veteran level player. A few days ago I was with Dragon Knight (level 10 vet) on Goldbrand and watched him totally annihilate entire groups by himself. OP as hell.
Myself, I can't get even a level 1 vet under maybe 90% hp no matter what I hit, because they can knock me out in no more than 3 hits generally. Armor "buff" (really a nerf) + any level vet = disaster

ValaronGromhound

Well, i started pvp ant lvl 10, was playing with guild mates, got to legionnaire rank and only after that i hit V1. Yes, i was unable to solo camp Veterans, but i was able to use fiery grip to pick up their healers, i was able to use Stone trebs, balistas, oil, scout and tank NPCs when forcing in. That could do every lowbie/newbie! Or heal.
And now im ****ing grinding Veteran ranks for nothing? Two 2 weeks of hardworking and getting v5 and i still can be easily beaten by lvl 25 newcommer? No way guys, thats absurd.

Nox_Aeterna

It is not meant to be balanced OP , that simple.

Want to fight a vet10 player? Get vet10 yourself.

AllPlayAndNoWork

Hodorius wrote: »

That´s actually not completly true.
I am VR2 and in the last few days I was roaming Cyrodil fo the Skyshards.

Had a lot fun in dungeons ganking people until I engaged that lvl 47 guy...

He knew how to block... he knew how to use the environment his advantage.
I expected another noob being full of fear ( like that guy who jumped of the cliff to get away from me and died from falling ) but he was not.

I was so surprised I forgot to stun him while he healed himself...
He made me change my action bar and start to actually think instead of just nuking the enemy.

I have to admit that through my passives I have better chances but at the and it´s the players skill that matters.

Edit: He killed me btw... and YES I was ashamed of myself.

This is a perfect post on why lower levels can get involved in PvP........

I have seen a small group of players take out Vet level players quite a few times. Most people think that PvP is just charge in and hit as hard as you can, but if you think about it and have a plan you can get some great results.

Best fun I have had is with a small group roaming around looking for a fight. Sometimes we win and sometimes we lose, that's how it is. The really big sieges can be hard to get involved with when you are a lower level.

My advice to those that are struggling with PvP is get into a small group and learn how to PvP (using your environment & team members, take time to set an ambush near a quest spot or skyshard) before getting into the really big fights. A lot of fun and rewards can be had.

Good post BTW. Giving hope to the lowbie.

skarvika

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

It is not meant to be balanced OP , that simple.

Want to fight a vet10 player? Get vet10 yourself.

Well, that's not entirely true...that's why they have the supposed buff in place for lower level players. They wanted pvp to be as balanced as possible so that everyone could be useful in combat, with no player being able to completely dominate another one on their own...unfortunately that is just how it turned out.

Cydone

skarvika wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

It is not meant to be balanced OP , that simple.

Want to fight a vet10 player? Get vet10 yourself.

Well, that's not entirely true...that's why they have the supposed buff in place for lower level players. They wanted pvp to be as balanced as possible so that everyone could be useful in combat, with no player being able to completely dominate another one on their own...unfortunately that is just how it turned out.

Um no, otherwise the bolster would have been MUCH better. The game was in beta for over a year, if they thought that what you're saying was the case, they would have changed it. The reason the bolster is in there for the lower level players is so they can be competitive with others, NOT equal. And they can be competitive, if they know what they are doing. I've killed vets at low level, same with my buddies. Just takes using a little bit of thinking before just rushing in all LEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOY............JEEEENKIIIIIINS!!! style and hoping for a good result.

Skip to 1:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0

Nox_Aeterna

skarvika wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

It is not meant to be balanced OP , that simple.

Want to fight a vet10 player? Get vet10 yourself.

Well, that's not entirely true...that's why they have the supposed buff in place for lower level players. They wanted pvp to be as balanced as possible so that everyone could be useful in combat, with no player being able to completely dominate another one on their own...unfortunately that is just how it turned out.

That is impossible and i mean the impossible.

A lvl 10 player will not be able to match a vet 10 , it wont happen now , it wont happen later either , unless the lvl 10 player gets 10x more HP/Magicka/stam THAN the vet.

The simple fact is , skills do matter. And a low lvl player does not have access to them. It is that simple. Hell before lvl 15 you cant even change weapons.

From a point on , maybe around 40/50 , you should be able to fight a vet 10 player to a point , maybe it will not be equal , but you can fight , but there is no way the devs did not notice that a low lvl player had no chance the way the system works right now.

Cydone

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

skarvika wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

It is not meant to be balanced OP , that simple.

Want to fight a vet10 player? Get vet10 yourself.

Well, that's not entirely true...that's why they have the supposed buff in place for lower level players. They wanted pvp to be as balanced as possible so that everyone could be useful in combat, with no player being able to completely dominate another one on their own...unfortunately that is just how it turned out.

That is impossible and i mean the impossible.

A lvl 10 player will not be able to match a vet 10 , it wont happen now , it wont happen later either , unless the lvl 10 player gets 10x more HP/Magicka/stam THAN the vet.

The simple fact is , skills do matter. And a low lvl player does not have access to them. It is that simple. Hell before lvl 15 you cant even change weapons.

From a point on , maybe around 40/50 , you should be able to fight a vet 10 player to a point , maybe it will not be equal , but you can fight , but there is no way the devs did not notice that a low lvl player had no chance the way the system works right now.

Especially considering the game was in beta for like over a year.

Kevaliji

2 words... "Crowd Control"

Even the most experienced vets will be killed if you are able to control them. Im a VR3 Nightblade and have gone up against lvl 30's who spam cc's on me and make my life a living hell. Crowd control, learn to use it.

Cydone

Kevaliji wrote: »

2 words... "Crowd Control"

Even the most experienced vets will be killed if you are able to control them. Im a VR3 Nightblade and have gone up against lvl 30's who spam cc's on me and make my life a living hell. Crowd control, learn to use it.

There's one key word in there.....learn. Seems most these ppl don't want to do that and just want everything laid out for them on a silver platter.

Izatar

No, this sentiment is wrong. While it is true that in a fair fight a v10 has an overwhelming advantage over a level 10, a smart player doesn't fight fair when the odds are stacked against him.
Do not approach a player that can roflstomp you solo. Get some friends to stealth and bait them into a trap.
Sure, it might take 10v1 using dirty tactics to take the tough guys down. But this is why you have social skills, can make friends, and team up to overcome unfair odds.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

The problem I see is that at lvl10 a person is able to go into cyrodil and do some PvP, but there is no level separation going on in the campaigns. It doesn't have to be an alt, it can be a brand new player who reached lvl10 on his first char and wants to do pvp, but what he will find is a bunch of people who can't be killed. This could be any number of months into the games launch, and the more time goes by the more suicidal it would be for a new player to try to go into Cyrodil.

Tho, cyrodil is not meant to be a solo place, so the best option would to find some people to run with. Still tho, he will be of little use to the pvp group when he has much less skills available to him compared to those who started the game way before, and will still be easily killed if even 1 VR ranked person goes after him. It really isn't new player friendly no matter how you look at it.

Simply making campaigns level based wont really do much good either, because then that new player probably won't have but a handful of people to fight against, and it won't really feel like an all-out war.

Its really hard to fix without them adding the PvP skills and armor that they really don't want to add, so people just have to deal with it and make that push to Veteran ranks and more skill points before bothering with cyrodil

I'm all for new-player friendliness. People who pick up this game for PvP down the line are going to be put off by the inability to realistically participate in pvp until they master all of the PvE aspect of the game. It doesn't affect those who don't care about pvp, but they still put a crowd of players off with how cyrodil is set up.

Cydone

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

The problem I see is that at lvl10 a person is able to go into cyrodil and do some PvP, but there is no level separation going on in the campaigns. It doesn't have to be an alt, it can be a brand new player who reached lvl10 on his first char and wants to do pvp, but what he will find is a bunch of people who can't be killed. This could be 10 months into the games launch, and by then it would be even more suicidal to try to go into Cyrodil.

Tho, cyrodil is not meant to be a solo place, so the best option would to find some people to run with. Still tho, he will be of little use to the pvp group when he has much less skills available to him compared to those who started the game way before, and will still be easily killed if even 1 VR ranked person goes after him. It really isn't new player friendly no matter how you look at it.

Simply making campaigns level based wont really do much good either, because then that new player probably won't have but a handful of people to fight against, and it won't really feel like an all-out war.

Its really hard to fix without them adding the PvP skills and armor that they really don't want to add, so people just have to deal with it and make that push to Veteran ranks and more skill points before bothering with cyrodil

I've seen lvl 10 players kill vet players. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Sorry, but those who have put in the time to level their characters shouldn't be punished for having the time to do so. Asking for the lower level ppl to be bolstered to the point of the vet rank ppl is doing exactly that. People who are vet ranked have put the time into the game and their characters in order to get there, if bolster was to give a lowbie that same power, it would render the vet players time null, thus punishing him and making his/her investment into the game and their characters meaningless. Sorry, that's neither fair nor balanced.