Dont you DARE think of rolling an alt for pvp at this point.

345zac_ESO

So, Heres a major problem. Veteran players.... are so op.. that anyone thats not a veteran rank doesn't even have a CHANCE to kill them. Oh no, dont think your gonna go stealth then kill them, dont you dare, because you wont even get them to half health before they heal up, no matter how powerful you are.

If your thinking of rolling a new character for pvp, I dont think so buddy. You will never be any good because your already behind the leveling curve. Almost everyone is atleast V1. Your outta luck, buddy, because your gonna be dying an awful lot if you cant find a way to catch up with the v1s.

Nice job with that balancing zenimax, Keep it up.

Bunk

git gud

345zac_ESO

Bunk wrote: »

git gud

Troll much?

Eisenhovver

The v1+ crowd is kinda ruining PvP for everyone else. Its certainly not their fault and I would roll around wiping lowbies if I were them as well. This needs to be fixed. The bolster system cannot compensate for the differences. Other games make multiple PvP systems, one for < 50 (or level cap) and another for > 50. SWTOR for instance. There is no way to make everyone happy, but right now people are being discouraged from playing PvP b/c they get in and just get smashed by V1+ players despite what they do.

Veakoth

Sad thing is i posted about this April 2nd and went into depth about it but nothing will get done about it. I have heard a rumor that zenimax may be making Cyrodiil all veteran ranked so i'm not sure how that's going to work for lowbies.

345zac_ESO

Eisenhovver wrote: »

The v1+ crowd is kinda ruining PvP for everyone else. Its certainly not their fault and I would roll around wiping lowbies if I were them as well. This needs to be fixed. The bolster system cannot compensate for the differences. Other games make multiple PvP systems, one for < 50 (or level cap) and another for > 50. SWTOR for instance. There is no way to make everyone happy, but right now people are being discouraged from playing PvP b/c they get in and just get smashed by V1+ players despite what they do.

This^^

345zac_ESO

Veakoth wrote: »

Sad thing is i posted about this April 2nd and went into depth about it but nothing will get done about it. I have heard a rumor that zenimax may be making Cyrodiil all veteran ranked so i'm not sure how that's going to work for lowbies.

All they have to do is make everyone V10 and give them all the same gear and the problem would be solved.

Kolache

It's not exactly how I'd design it myself, (I'd prolly have a more significant bolster), but it doesn't bother me too much since PvE gear works in PvP and it's really not all that long to level.

I do think it's probably bad for the PvP population in general though. The PvP community is better off with more people in Cyrodiil, and this sort of reaming can't be good for enticing as many people to PvP as possible.

No petitions from me; I just don't think this power gap is in the best interest for PvP in this game, IMHO.

MysticAura

Naturalizing was a bad idea. This problem wouldn't be nearly as bad if each campaign was level-range based. It would also keep the campaigns more even population wise. It would also allow people new to the game, to learn as they progress through the campaigns

Thechemicals

Why should you, someone who makes a new and under levelled/undergeared character, be able to challenge someone who maxed out levels and got veterancy and has great gear?

I dont have a veteran, my highest is level 23 and i am not having any problems. You need to recognize that you are at the bottom of the totem poll because you didnt level/gear or skyshard. You want the benefit without having done the work. So what are you offering the veterans who have earned their way other than a nerf to make yourself stronger?

sleepspasmnub18_ESO

You guys really need to stop trying to solo cap a keep and crying when some VR comes in and takes your lunch.

Sihnfahl

Veakoth wrote: »

Sad thing is i posted about this April 2nd and went into depth about it but nothing will get done about it. I have heard a rumor that zenimax may be making Cyrodiil all veteran ranked so i'm not sure how that's going to work for lowbies.

Or let folks run around in Cyrodiil-light until they finish the main quest line. You don't get any perks from holding the scrolls, PvE quests in Cyrodiil are disabled, no skyshards, and the only NPCs are the guards at the keeps / towers / resources.

PvP for PvP's sake.

345zac_ESO

Thechemicals wrote: »

Why should you, someone who makes a new and under levelled/undergeared character, be able to challenge someone who maxed out levels and got veterancy and has great gear?

I dont have a veteran, my highest is level 23 and i am not having any problems. You need to recognize that you are at the bottom of the totem poll because you didnt level/gear or skyshard. You want the benefit without having done the work. So what are you offering the veterans who have earned their way other than a nerf to make yourself stronger?

Dude, I have a level 39 DK tank that owns in pvp... against people lower/around my level.... I am not some noob. I do have a level 10 nightblade though, That cant do jack in pvp.

Sihnfahl

345zac_ESO wrote: »

I do have a level 10 nightblade though, That cant do jack in pvp.

You can, but mostly in a support role during assaults. A ballistae / trebuchet does the same damage whether you're level 10 or VR10.

Oh, and here's something fun to consider. Waiting. All those skills rely on stamina / magicka. If you hold back and let them expend a good bit, they're down to fewer abilities because they just don't have the resources. While you, on the other hand, have full magicka / stamina. You'll still be chipping away at their health, but they're not at full...

Carde

345zac_ESO wrote: »

Bunk wrote: »

git gud

Troll much?

He's pretty much right, though. If you're having a problem fighting higher level players, why not just take yourself and go get higher level? Not like it takes long or anything.

Amazing that people can be mad at ZOS for losing to characters that are higher level/stronger/more time invested. Get over yourselves.

dba.2000_ESO

I partially agree with the op. The bolster system needs some tweaking. It doesn't seem to take into account your stats correctly, like being overcharged in magicka in pvp, and you enter ava and you're Health is overbolstered.

The bolster system as is seems to be a one size doesn't fit all, which was bound to cause some problems once people became vets.

Hodorius

That´s actually not completly true.
I am VR2 and in the last few days I was roaming Cyrodil fo the Skyshards.

Had a lot fun in dungeons ganking people until I engaged that lvl 47 guy...

He knew how to block... he knew how to use the environmentin his advantage.
I expected another noob beeing full of fear ( like that guy who jumped of the cliff to get away from me and died from falling ) but he was not.

I was so suprised I forgot to stun him while he healed himself...
He made me change my actionbar and start to actually think instead of just nuking the enemy.

I have to admit that through my passives I have better chances but at the and it´s the players skill that matters.

Edit: He killed me btw... and YES I was ashamed of myself.

Cydone

Eisenhovver wrote: »

The v1+ crowd is kinda ruining PvP for everyone else. Its certainly not their fault and I would roll around wiping lowbies if I were them as well. This needs to be fixed. The bolster system cannot compensate for the differences. Other games make multiple PvP systems, one for < 50 (or level cap) and another for > 50. SWTOR for instance. There is no way to make everyone happy, but right now people are being discouraged from playing PvP b/c they get in and just get smashed by V1+ players despite what they do.

Using SWTOR is the WORST possible example of a balanced pvp system. There is no balanced pvp in TOR whatsoever. I know, I played it for about 1.5 yrs. Have 8 lvl 55's that were completely min/maxed, that is until they came out with another update and yet another set of pvp gear to grind. Think it's the 4th time they've introduced a new set of pvp gear that makes the previous set completely worthless.

Yeah, if you're a lvl 20 or below, you SHOULD have all kinds of trouble taking out ANYONE that is at veteran level. The git gud comment was true. At lvl 25, I was winning 1v1 battles with veteran level players. Because I know, somewhat, how to play my character to it's strengths, whilst at the same time TRYING to make it hard for the other character to play to theirs.

Far be it for some people to actually have to think and use strategy when trying to take out someone that's 10/20/30 or more levels above where you're currently at. Let's just give everyone that hasn't put the time into leveling their toons the same ability as those that have. Cause that would be fair, right? Fair to whom?? Not the people that have spent mindless hours grinding their toons. I wish I could say I grinded my toon, thus far, doing pvp. But it remains a fact that leveling in PvP is no where NEAR as efficient as going the PvE route.

I have PvP'd a LOT in between leveling and had NO troubles with veteran ranked ppl whilst I was below veteran rank myself. Unless I was going up against a VR6 or above, then I was getting killed pretty fast. As I SHOULD be. As a lvl 10/20/30/40 I SHOULDN'T be able to kill someone that is essentially a lvl 56(VR6) or above, simply because I haven't EARNED it yet(Although I am now a VR4).

Valiant29

PVP was designed for veterans. There's a reason why when you go in at a lower level they boost your stats to that of a level 50, enter at your own risk. Vets should have the advantage by having better gear and more experience, that's why they call them vets.

Sihnfahl

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Valiant29 wrote: »

PVP was designed for veterans. There's a reason why when you go in at a lower level they boost your stats to that of a level 50, enter at your own risk. Vets should have the advantage by having better gear and more experience, that's why they call them vets.

Not to mention morphed skills and more passives due to more skill points...

Samadhi

345zac_ESO wrote: »

So, Heres a major problem. Veteran players.... are so op.. that anyone thats not a veteran rank doesn't even have a CHANCE to kill them. Oh no, dont think your gonna go stealth then kill them, dont you dare, because you wont even get them to half health before they heal up, no matter how powerful you are.
...

I have a level 30 Nightblade and I am able to kill some (though not all) VR players in 1v1 circumstances.

Eisenhovver wrote: »

The v1+ crowd is kinda ruining PvP for everyone else. ...

I've been PvPing daily since I got level 10, and have not found the VR crowd ruins anything for me.
Perhaps it ruins things for people who are not interested enough in PvP to begin with, but the blanket statement of "everyone else" certainly does not apply.

Carde

dba.2000_ESO wrote: »

I partially agree with the op. The bolster system needs some tweaking. It doesn't seem to take into account your stats correctly, like being overcharged in magicka in pvp, and you enter ava and you're Health is overbolstered.

The bolster system as is seems to be a one size doesn't fit all, which was bound to cause some problems once people became vets.

This is 100% true. The bolstering system is pretty...un-good. Some of us have been feedbacking it since the first AvA test that sub-50 PvP was introduced.

You can end up having higher resources and stuff at like level 30-40 than what the bolstering actually gives you. Its just crappy.

merryblues

Any chance you could just look at the player before you attack? If you're still low level, there's plenty of those on all sides - you can pick your battles. In pve you see a boss mob that you know is going to wipe the floor with you. Do you complain that the boss is too powerful and should be nerfed, or do you wait for other people and get some help, or you can get stronger and try it another time.. If you want to solo a top player then you know what you have to do.

Cydone

merryblues wrote: »

Any chance you could just look at the player before you attack? If you're still low level, there's plenty of those on all sides - you can pick your battles. In pve you see a boss mob that you know is going to wipe the floor with you. Do you complain that the boss is too powerful and should be nerfed, or do you wait for other people and get some help, or you can get stronger and try it another time.. If you want to solo a top player then you know what you have to do.

That would actually take critical thinking and strategy! Or picking you battles instead of just face rolling your keyboard. We should just give these ppl everything for doing nothing. /sarcasm off

Thechemicals

345zac_ESO wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Why should you, someone who makes a new and under levelled/undergeared character, be able to challenge someone who maxed out levels and got veterancy and has great gear?

I dont have a veteran, my highest is level 23 and i am not having any problems. You need to recognize that you are at the bottom of the totem poll because you didnt level/gear or skyshard. You want the benefit without having done the work. So what are you offering the veterans who have earned their way other than a nerf to make yourself stronger?

Dude, I have a level 39 DK tank that owns in pvp... against people lower/around my level.... I am not some noob. I do have a level 10 nightblade though, That cant do jack in pvp.

So what is your point with this thread? You can recognize that their is a heirarchy of pvp so what is your malfunction with pvp?

connectedb16_ESO

Dont try to 1v1 people that are so much higher level? 2-3 lower levels can kill vets just fine.

Gisgo

Soooo veterans are stronger than rookies.
I am shocked!

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

So level your damn character in PvE. The game isn't PvP only you know. Finish the storyline, and THEN play PvP.

dba.2000_ESO

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

So level your damn character in PvE. The game isn't PvP only you know. Finish the storyline, and THEN play PvP.

Or, maybe zos can raise the xp in PvP so it's not so frustrating for lower levels, and some of us can level a char in PvP again

Ragnar_Lodbrok

This just in, a bad complaining about being beat by someone who put more time into the game than them. Story at 11

SirAndy

345zac_ESO wrote: »

So, Heres a major problem.

Dunno, i went and ran with a small group last night with my level 10 character and had a blast.

Sure, i won't be killing any VR10s one on one (duh) but i only died 4 times all night (one due to slaughterfish) and managed to get a few kills on my own.
Oh, and we took all center keeps and crowned a new emporer(ess).

Not sure what your expectations are, but as long as you don't think you're going to be a PvP god at lvl10, a *lot* of fun can be had.
;-)