Shame on Parch's Skirmish !

Rishikesa108

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Arunei

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Not sure if it's intended, but a lot of people have reported this as being a problem. I don't think I've seen any of the devs mention if it's a bug or not. People have suggested for the time being to just wait until the battle is over and rez since if you return after that the Chest should still be there, not sure if the quest will mark as completed though.

Rishikesa108

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Not sure if it's intended, but a lot of people have reported this as being a problem. I don't think I've seen any of the devs mention if it's a bug or not. People have suggested for the time being to just wait until the battle is over and rez since if you return after that the Chest should still be there, not sure if the quest will mark as completed though.

Not possible to wait and rez.... if you are eaten and you are alone inside the monster's belly, you have to die inside and then you revive very far from the skirmish. If you stay dead... you are taken away from the duneripper anyway. So in any case you are far from the skirmish and you won't get the reward

Gabriel_H

Solution: Situational Awareness

Arunei

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Not sure if it's intended, but a lot of people have reported this as being a problem. I don't think I've seen any of the devs mention if it's a bug or not. People have suggested for the time being to just wait until the battle is over and rez since if you return after that the Chest should still be there, not sure if the quest will mark as completed though.

Not possible to wait and rez.... if you are eaten and you are alone inside the monster's belly, you have to die inside and then you revive very far from the skirmish. If you stay dead... you are taken away from the duneripper anyway. So in any case you are far from the skirmish and you won't get the reward

Oof, I don't do NM so I didn't know that was the case. I suppose waiting for the battle to be over if you die and it's close to finishing must have been advice for other Bosses or whatever. They should probably implement some sort of mechanic where you're just teleported right back outside after dying so people could rez you once the fight is over.

Rishikesa108

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Not sure if it's intended, but a lot of people have reported this as being a problem. I don't think I've seen any of the devs mention if it's a bug or not. People have suggested for the time being to just wait until the battle is over and rez since if you return after that the Chest should still be there, not sure if the quest will mark as completed though.

Not possible to wait and rez.... if you are eaten and you are alone inside the monster's belly, you have to die inside and then you revive very far from the skirmish. If you stay dead... you are taken away from the duneripper anyway. So in any case you are far from the skirmish and you won't get the reward

Oof, I don't do NM so I didn't know that was the case. I suppose waiting for the battle to be over if you die and it's close to finishing must have been advice for other Bosses or whatever. They should probably implement some sort of mechanic where you're just teleported right back outside after dying so people could rez you once the fight is over.

I generally don't talk about something I haven't personally experienced... otherwise I might say inappropriate things.

Necrotech_Master

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Not sure if it's intended, but a lot of people have reported this as being a problem. I don't think I've seen any of the devs mention if it's a bug or not. People have suggested for the time being to just wait until the battle is over and rez since if you return after that the Chest should still be there, not sure if the quest will mark as completed though.

Not possible to wait and rez.... if you are eaten and you are alone inside the monster's belly, you have to die inside and then you revive very far from the skirmish. If you stay dead... you are taken away from the duneripper anyway. So in any case you are far from the skirmish and you won't get the reward

Oof, I don't do NM so I didn't know that was the case. I suppose waiting for the battle to be over if you die and it's close to finishing must have been advice for other Bosses or whatever. They should probably implement some sort of mechanic where you're just teleported right back outside after dying so people could rez you once the fight is over.

for the duneripper, its a unique boss, in that you dont fight it directly, it just roams around and will eat you if your in its path and dont get out of the way

you then will be inside and can dmg its innards basically, if all of its innards die then you kill the creature and just pop out wherever on the map the duneripper was when it died

if you die in the duneripper, your only option is to get a rez inside the creature, or wayshrine, if you wayshrine you are returned to the bottom left spawn point regardless where the duneripper was on the map

FlameDark

Arunei wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

A huge injustice during Parch's skirmish!!! If you get eaten by the Duneripper in the final minutes of the skirmish... when you revive, you're far from the skirmish... and if you don't make it back before the last boss dies... you get NOTHING!!! Neither the chest nor the quest completed. A GREAT, HUGE INJUSTICE!!!! I wonder if this is intended...

Not sure if it's intended, but a lot of people have reported this as being a problem. I don't think I've seen any of the devs mention if it's a bug or not. People have suggested for the time being to just wait until the battle is over and rez since if you return after that the Chest should still be there, not sure if the quest will mark as completed though.

It is indeed a bug and not intended. Perhaps being in the duneripper made the game think you were instead fighting the boss and no longer apart of the skirmish? So you were dropped out of the Skirmish loot? Either or, this is a ridiculous bug that should be fixed.

Also the duneripper battle pretty much teleports you to a unique battle zone (it's stomach) so there is no rez and wait until it's over. You'll still be too far away for it to count with the bug.

SeaGtGruff

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

Taarente

That is actually true of any of the skirmishes I believe. I have been in a few where i died near the end. Revived on a rooftop and missed rewards. Definitely something that needs looked at for next time.

frogthroat

When that happened to me the first time I learned to keep my eye out on that sand worm. The solution is: don't get eaten.

lillybit

It's definitely a pain and happened yo me a few times. It doesn't help that rezzing from inside always seems to put you back at the south respawn where it's harder to make it back. Maybe that's because it's travelling south when it comes closest to the ritual site?

It doesn’t seem to come right into the circle tho so if you keep to the middle there's less risk. Tho that depends on being able to do the mechanic to stop the wipe.

Trier_Sero

I believe you can escape it whenever you want. Just go to the middle of the "room" and there should be escape button.

frogthroat

Trier_Sero wrote: »

I believe you can escape it whenever you want. Just go to the middle of the "room" and there should be escape button.

Nope. You have to kill one of the pustules or globules or whatever those things are. When it dies, it leaves an exit. If none are killed, there is no exit. Learned this the hard way.

Trier_Sero

frogthroat wrote: »

Nope. You have to kill one of the pustules or globules or whatever those things are. When it dies, it leaves an exit. If none are killed, there is no exit. Learned this the hard way.

Strange. I remember escaping like that a couple times. I'll check when I get home.

Update: ok you cannot escape. so either ZOS changed something or both those times somebody already killed one of those things and dipped before me

code65536

Trier_Sero wrote: »

so either ZOS changed something or both those times somebody already killed one of those things and dipped before me

Nothing was changed. The option to exit exists only when at least one stalk has been destroyed, and it's been like this since the first day of PTS.

Nordstern

I think the swallowing mechanic is great and brings in some variety. It always passes the middle of the map so you have to watch out.

Gabriel_H

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

But that's what situational awareness is. He's a big lad. The ground(screen) shakes when he's near. There's a dust cloud.

Rishikesa108

Trier_Sero wrote: »

I believe you can escape it whenever you want. Just go to the middle of the "room" and there should be escape button.

simply... NO. It's not like that. The escape shows only when you defeat a viscera. It takes time if you are alone inside...

Rishikesa108

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

But that's what situational awareness is. He's a big lad. The ground(screen) shakes when he's near. There's a dust cloud.

During a fight its not so easy to be aware of that thing

Gabriel_H

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

But that's what situational awareness is. He's a big lad. The ground(screen) shakes when he's near. There's a dust cloud.

During a fight its not so easy to be aware of that thing

But that's what situational awareness is. I honestly don't know how to explain it any differently.

Skirmishes are complex fights. They are not as hard hitting as vet dlc trials, but they are as complex.

Knowing what is going on is key to overcoming that complexity. When you start the skirmish check the map for where the dunegorger is. Learn the route. Work out the time you have before you have to consider him a threat. Or just kill him first then do the skirmish.

SeaGtGruff

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

But that's what situational awareness is. He's a big lad. The ground(screen) shakes when he's near. There's a dust cloud.

During a fight its not so easy to be aware of that thing

But that's what situational awareness is. I honestly don't know how to explain it any differently.

Skirmishes are complex fights. They are not as hard hitting as vet dlc trials, but they are as complex.

Knowing what is going on is key to overcoming that complexity. When you start the skirmish check the map for where the dunegorger is. Learn the route. Work out the time you have before you have to consider him a threat. Or just kill him first then do the skirmish.

And we're just saying that it isn't that simple. I mean, "situational awareness" is pretty much a given in just about everything in the game, right? But giving that as the answer to this particular issue seems a lot like blaming the player for something that ZOS apparently felt was unfair-- because they patched how it works so players will no longer have to worry about losing out like that-- putting it all on the player that they missed out on the rewards for their participation because, hey, they just weren't "situationally aware" enough and messed up, so it's their fault.

Rishikesa108

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

But that's what situational awareness is. He's a big lad. The ground(screen) shakes when he's near. There's a dust cloud.

During a fight its not so easy to be aware of that thing

But that's what situational awareness is. I honestly don't know how to explain it any differently.

Skirmishes are complex fights. They are not as hard hitting as vet dlc trials, but they are as complex.

Knowing what is going on is key to overcoming that complexity. When you start the skirmish check the map for where the dunegorger is. Learn the route. Work out the time you have before you have to consider him a threat. Or just kill him first then do the skirmish.

You have no idea how difficult it is to form a well-formed group, or even two. Fighting throughout the entire skirmish, and then at the end, when you're just moments away from killing the last boss... you get swallowed up and carried away, and when you manage to return, running through a thousand mobs that jump on you... you find NOTHING FOR YOU. It's too detrimental. The player can't be blamed for their lack of awareness.

Gabriel_H

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Solution: Situational Awareness

Unfortunately, that isn't so simple when fighting in a skirmish, because the big, ginormous shielded red life bar that replaces the normal compass bar at the top of the screen during boss fights makes it pretty darn difficult, if not impossible, to see that the wandering calamity's icon is in the vicinity. Plus, if you're actually engaged in the fighting, you're probably too busy trying to dodge attacks or otherwise stay alive to notice that the duneripper is passing through.

But that's what situational awareness is. He's a big lad. The ground(screen) shakes when he's near. There's a dust cloud.

During a fight its not so easy to be aware of that thing

But that's what situational awareness is. I honestly don't know how to explain it any differently.

Skirmishes are complex fights. They are not as hard hitting as vet dlc trials, but they are as complex.

Knowing what is going on is key to overcoming that complexity. When you start the skirmish check the map for where the dunegorger is. Learn the route. Work out the time you have before you have to consider him a threat. Or just kill him first then do the skirmish.

You have no idea how difficult it is to form a well-formed group, or even two. Fighting throughout the entire skirmish, and then at the end, when you're just moments away from killing the last boss... you get swallowed up and carried away, and when you manage to return, running through a thousand mobs that jump on you... you find NOTHING FOR YOU. It's too detrimental. The player can't be blamed for their lack of awareness.

I've PuGed that fight about half a dozen times ... No pre-planning. No pre-formed group. Just started a group finder and got 11 randoms.