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nukeyoo

u all

LGAllastair

I like to see the level of competition we have in Wabbajack now, let's keep it improving folks!

Loves_guars

Thanks to the Ebon Pact TS groups today Friday, nice organization, I had a greaaat time. A special shout out to Krotha for being an amazing leader.

LatinLegacy

Nothing is better in this game than knocking an Dragonknight using an overpowered build off the throne! The DC/AD teamwork should see that it stays that way lol!

ChampionSheWolf

Says the DC/AD using the overpowered vamp dragonknight/sorcerer builds But props, I guess.

nukeyoo

News flash! All three realms are using broken OP builds/abilities! EP just so happens to be more organized around an emperor who abuses them.

ChampionSheWolf

Yes, we might have the organization, but DC evidently has numbers and numbers and more numbers, and fighting two fronts with 2+ battles average (seen 4 at some points) was a tad silly. Add into that fact that DC just has the magical ability to keep summoning in more troops as the server filled up really fast, and we had a few bots and PvEr's today wasting space, so we couldn't even put up more than token defense. And let's face it, what really makes any of it overpowered are the vet levels, plain and simple.

LatinLegacy

(Accidental Double Post)

LatinLegacy

LatinLegacy wrote: »

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

Yes, we might have the organization, but DC evidently has numbers and numbers and more numbers, and fighting two fronts with 2+ battles average (seen 4 at some points) was a tad silly. Add into that fact that DC just has the magical ability to keep summoning in more troops as the server filled up really fast, and we had a few bots and PvEr's today wasting space, so we couldn't even put up more than token defense. And let's face it, what really makes any of it overpowered are the vet levels, plain and simple.

Well I won't deny in saying that I've convinced some people from Skull Crusher & Volendrung to move over to Wabbajack. Volendrung was a dead campaign & Skull Crusher got over ran by a mass amount of AD players. A lot being due to that YouTube numbskull Angry Joe. A majority of DC players play on Wabba now. It's either their home campaign, which is the case for me, or their guest campaign. I moved in from Skull Crusher.

Igolbug

Tonight while blue was capping everything.
I had 1 dump from one of my oil pots hit 29 players.

We never even had 29 players in Cyrodiil lol.

LatinLegacy

I hit a ton of EP players with Oil when we were running a scroll back. It was in one of those choke point areas in the north. I was surprised I was able to do so since two DK's where shield bashing me when I triggered it. Hilarious sequence.

alexvargas91393ub17_ESO

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

Yes, we might have the organization, but DC evidently has numbers and numbers and more numbers, and fighting two fronts with 2+ battles average (seen 4 at some points) was a tad silly. Add into that fact that DC just has the magical ability to keep summoning in more troops as the server filled up really fast, and we had a few bots and PvEr's today wasting space, so we couldn't even put up more than token defense. And let's face it, what really makes any of it overpowered are the vet levels, plain and simple.

Ever thought that DC is also somewhat organized? I know we were hitting multiple keeps at the same time because groups were talking to each other. For most of the night we were outnumber by both AD and EP. They were both pop locked while we were still at three bars. Didn't become the most populated until after we dethroned Fixate.

ChampionSheWolf

alexvargas91393ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ever thought that DC is also somewhat organized? I know we were hitting multiple keeps at the same time because groups were talking to each other. For most of the night we were outnumber by both AD and EP. They were both pop locked while we were still at three bars. Didn't become the most populated until after we dethroned Fixate.

Yes, throwing bodies endlessly at walls is organizational skill that every garden variety group can do. And considering we were pop locked because we had a ton of PvEr's and bots wasting space in our area. And you weren't being hammered on by EP, you guys were busy hammering and getting stopped every time you made your push. The same with AD. And Covenant was locked several times, you weren't at 3 bars most of the night, in fact it was Covenant and EP getting locked, just sadly we were getting more people wanting to be PvE heroes while you had forces to throw at our walls. Otherwise, the DC lines broke easily every time we would defend.

It wasn't tactics it was just sheer numbers because we couldn't pull anyone out of their PvE tour and we can do nothing about the bots.

fixate

If you fellas think what I do is "abusive" wait until an Emperor shows up abusing the vampire ult bug.

alexvargas91393ub17_ESO

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

alexvargas91393ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ever thought that DC is also somewhat organized? I know we were hitting multiple keeps at the same time because groups were talking to each other. For most of the night we were outnumber by both AD and EP. They were both pop locked while we were still at three bars. Didn't become the most populated until after we dethroned Fixate.

Yes, throwing bodies endlessly at walls is organizational skill that every garden variety group can do. And considering we were pop locked because we had a ton of PvEr's and bots wasting space in our area. And you weren't being hammered on by EP, you guys were busy hammering and getting stopped every time you made your push. The same with AD. And Covenant was locked several times, you weren't at 3 bars most of the night, in fact it was Covenant and EP getting locked, just sadly we were getting more people wanting to be PvE heroes while you had forces to throw at our walls. Otherwise, the DC lines broke easily every time we would defend.

It wasn't tactics it was just sheer numbers because we couldn't pull anyone out of their PvE tour and we can do nothing about the bots.

I didn't say we didn't zerg. We do. A lot. It makes for awful pvp but numbers can be effective. What I meant was that when we attack 3/4 places at once that's not multiple zergs. Like I said somewhat organized. Although we were being hammered by EP. Idk where you got that we weren't because the aleswell/bleakers/chalman area kept going back and forth for awhile. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of AD just roaming around and not doing anything to help their faction. So you're probably right about them just being PVErs

CNDTrae

fixate wrote: »

If you fellas think what I do is "abusive" wait until an Emperor shows up abusing the vampire ult bug.

I guess playing a DK is abusive. You should roll vamp and then see the tears.

echeezybreadnerd_ESO

I want to be batman!!!

Infraction

echeezybreadnerd_ESO wrote: »

I want to be batman!!!

You're more of a Robin type....

nukeyoo

fixate wrote: »

If you fellas think what I do is "abusive" wait until an Emperor shows up abusing the vampire ult bug.

What you and all your lackeys did to my corpse was abusive.... I'll have another

Zintair

nukeyoo wrote: »

fixate wrote: »

If you fellas think what I do is "abusive" wait until an Emperor shows up abusing the vampire ult bug.

What you and all your lackeys did to my corpse was abusive.... I'll have another

LOL I see what you did there.

LGAllastair

Yeah, playing a DK I feel like playing a warlock all over again, just by existing people will call me overpowered, not much to do really except waiting for a fix or something.

DC is making this campaign fun, good job

blackwolf7

Whats the current situation here? Finally gave up on bloodthorn. Dc owns everything xD and i hear that auriels bow is full of ad exploiters.

I mostly play pvp for fun. Nothing serious. Just go with the orders or join zergs and run around

Holycannoli

Current situation is DK vamp wtfpwning everything. Business as usual.

gdodd_ESO

Holycannoli wrote: »

Current situation is DK vamp wtfpwning everything. Business as usual.

fixate isn't a vamp bro

echeezybreadnerd_ESO

I guess I am robin he handles all the small time and that is all you DC is.

Truno

LGAllastair wrote: »

Yeah, playing a DK I feel like playing a warlock all over again, just by existing people will call me overpowered, not much to do really except waiting for a fix or something.

DC is making this campaign fun, good job

DKs are probably the strongest class when mastered, but still the other classes have juice. Really the only thing that I would want changed is the shield charge attack (I am not sure what the ability is called). Wearing a shield if anything should make you slower and instead you get the ability to run and ram someone at a huge distance and get a knockdown you cannot break. Also I am not sure if it is lag or what but I have noticed that sometimes if you block as they are charging you still can get knocked down unlike blocking before the purple missile from sorcs. Either way I am enjoying the pvp a lot, and will prob see u on the battlefield since im AD .

Holycannoli wrote: »

Current situation is DK vamp wtfpwning everything. Business as usual.

From what I have heard they are capping the AOE so that will be gone soon. If you do find one though before then use fighters guild skills against them if u possibly can. If you are a NB with a bow try out camo hunter and when shield drops you can whack them for about 2k and hopefully let the team finish them before they regen. gl

LGAllastair

Truno wrote: »

LGAllastair wrote: »

Yeah, playing a DK I feel like playing a warlock all over again, just by existing people will call me overpowered, not much to do really except waiting for a fix or something.

DC is making this campaign fun, good job

DKs are probably the strongest class when mastered, but still the other classes have juice. Really the only thing that I would want changed is the shield charge attack (I am not sure what the ability is called). Wearing a shield if anything should make you slower and instead you get the ability to run and ram someone at a huge distance and get a knockdown you cannot break. Also I am not sure if it is lag or what but I have noticed that sometimes if you block as they are charging you still can get knocked down unlike blocking before the purple missile from sorcs. Either way I am enjoying the pvp a lot, and will prob see u on the battlefield since im AD .

Shield charge is actually completely fine. It's an ability in a weapon skill line that is available to everyone using sword annd shield. That skill line doesn't have many PvP useful abilities and is more of a defensive skill line, this is the only offensive skill on that line really. It spends a decent chunk of your stamina so you can only charge a few times before you're drained. Tanking characters need to have mobility, anyone running a tank spec will sacrifice damage for CC, support and survivability, if they are also slow they cannot support the group in any way. That is normally how tanks work in PvP, they move fast CCing, annoying healers, snaring people. They don't kill much, but they are enough of an annoyance and hard to take down that they actually add a lot to fights idirectly. Shield charge and the morph Invasion are completely in line with how tanks should and need to be played in PvP.

The problem is that DKs playing a tank-ish build are doing too much damage because they can spam Standards when played right. They have a DK standard every fight, and sometimes they have multiple standards on a single engagement (I know, I am a DK tank and I have done it several times). The Standard is an extremely strong ability, when I drop one:
- I get 30% or so of my Health, Stamina and Magika back.
- I take 35% less damage and deal 35% more damage.
- Healing in the area of the standard is reduced on top of the damage it causes.

The standard being extremely strong is not a problem, it's a Ultimate, it's supposed to be strong. The problem is how fast we can drop them. Normally when a Standard is done I am over 50% to the next if I place it right on a good clump of players and Talons + Cinder storm them. So all I have to do is charge to a new clump of players and Talons + Cinder Storm them, then drop another standard, and keep doing this. On open fields people spread out and you can't really pull this of every single time (sometimes I still can), but on keep sieges and closed places... people have no room to roll out of the standard and with Talons and Cinder Storm they are done. The Standard Ultimate is part of the DK rotation, the main part, and that should never be the case with ultimates. What really needs changing here is the way ultimate is generated. Make it so you can't gain ultimate points while you have an ultimate active, then DKs will just be a melee class with annoying snares and survivability, they will have their utility but they won't be OP anymore. And that also fix the bat swarm spamming vamps.

Now, on the topic of this thread, I liked how EP kept most of the stuff for the entire day yesterday. Not sure how things are now but it was a nice change from DC owning the entire map. Let's see what happens today

EDIT: Also, don't spam Silver Bolts on vamp DKs, the damage is pathetic, when they block they don't get knocked down, and you will drain your stamina doing it. When they charge on your face and talons you won't be able to roll out because you spammed Silver Bolts and have no stamina, so SAVE your stamina to roll away and hit them from range. You have to use it situationally, when you notice they are not blocking, and only once, to knock them down. Then you damage them before they can get up to dragon blood.

Truno

For silvershards ofc wait till sheild is down. Also tanks should have the least amount of mobility man thats why they have things like talons. Its to keep people in one place. Giving their best CC (imo the best) a ridiculous range allows for them to just bash to death squishies that are trying to stay away very easily. Idk what your talking about tanks have mobility man Ive never seen that. Tanks are slow creatures that bite hard when close and are damage absorbers. Tanks are not agile jaguars that can leap at enimies carrying a 50+ pound shield and sword and heavy armor. Their ult is fine because it fits the purpose, their hinderance should be their mobility.

jbaslarub17_ESO

Block the charge, roll out of the roots. I understand they do not have an infinite amount of stamina, but they do not have an inifinite amount of resource to cast that stuff either. It is your build that is getting you killed.

Holycannoli

Truno wrote: »

From what I have heard they are capping the AOE so that will be gone soon. If you do find one though before then use fighters guild skills against them if u possibly can. If you are a NB with a bow try out camo hunter and when shield drops you can whack them for about 2k and hopefully let the team finish them before they regen. gl

Nope they're not changing any vampire AOE abilities.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Changes/Pending Changes
With that explanation, here are the changes that are being made in version 1.1 (subject to testing).

• The following abilities had a higher max limit than six, and have been fixed to be in-line with all other area-of-effect abilities:
  • Consuming Darkness (Nightblade)
  • Dragonknight Standard (Dragonknight)
  • Negate Magic (Sorcerer)
  • Scalding Rune (Fire Rune Morph - Mages Guild)
  • Soul Shatter (Soul Magic)

Also, we are currently investigating Dark Talons, Blood Altar, and Rite of Passage, which may not be obeying the max target limit.

I too thought they were fixing the vampire problem with the announced AOE change. I didn't think AOE had a max target limit but then I read Developer Discussion and saw that AOE does have a limit except for those few skills listed. Alliance skills have much higher limits and siege engines have no limit at all but all the others are supposed to have six, for now.

That means bat swarm is currently working as intended. Seriously. Mist form isn't working as intended though, and I swear silver bolts does jack squat to vampires in PVP most of the time. They should be getting knocked down and interrupted but it never works. It's probably another mist form issue.