How does this make you feel?

zaria · November 12

OsUfi wrote: »

Does she know endeavours are a thing or is this thumbnail taken out of context?

Either way, I've said it a thousand times, most of the stuff in the crown store is ugly asf, radiant apex mounts are universally hideous neon monstrosities, and it boggles my mind that they make money if the cash shop beyond crowns from subs.

The way ZoS run the crown store is fine by me as its so easy to ignore.

This, I prefer more down to earth stuff or its fun like the shovel or hammer and sickle 😺
Only skin I run is an toned down henna skin who looks nice an hide vampire.

Xarc · November 12

What I feel is that ESO has great days coming with this lucrative business ^^

And, this is not entirely true.
You can get a mount with endeavors, and endaevors is gameplay

And you have sometimes free boxes

Theist_VII · November 12

I remember watching that Azura video awhile ago, before the Rewards survey went out and ZOS began improving their distribution of them. Videos like that are the reason why there are so many new obtainable cosmetics in-game.

Speaking of which, here is something that people tend to forget or purposely leave out when shilling… this game is an RPG, and one that encourages alt-making. Designing your character is the ENTIRE point of an RPG no matter how much people try to argue that point. We all begin roleplaying the minute the character creator opens up.

When you have customized actions like that spectral blue pickaxe for mining, they are an obvious sale to a Sorcerer, just as much as a red glowing dagger would appeal to a Nightblade.

The overwhelming majority of cosmetics being sold are targeted to people designing the role of their character, sold items that develop your character’s identity and make the world more immersive.

Things that our ESO+ should be paying for.

Somewhere along the path, people became content with “Cosmetic Only” microtransactions, while that might be acceptable in a hero based shooter, it just doesn’t work in RPGs.

Ursadoom · November 12

Only really annoyed by some mounts in the crown store being temporary for that FOMO.

Jaimeh · November 12

Let me preface this by saying that I'd love for more earnable rewards in-game, however, after you buy the initial copy of the game (and the base game is really cheap) it's essentially free to play, the subscription is completely optional and ZOS has frequently made older DLC content available for free, or given as a reward, so you can play a huge amount of content with that initial purchase. So how are they supposed to keep the game running, bring out more content, pay their employees etc.? If subbing is optional, then the only way is a cash shop, and you can argue about pricing (especially housing), but the model is like that by necessity.

whitecrow · November 12

I...don't even know what this is showing me.

Amottica · November 12

Not sure. The person kinda reminds me of Boy George back in the day. Not sure why.

Is that what we are looking for?

Artim_X · November 12

I only use a handful of mounts that are relevant to my roleplay, so I personally feel indifferent.

whitecrow · November 12

Amottica wrote: »

Not sure. The person kinda reminds me of Boy George back in the day. Not sure why.

Is that what we are looking for?

Looks more like Cher to me.

Nefas · November 12

OsUfi wrote: »

So, yeah, gimme a Xynode, Ghost, Dooma, Nefas, Artea, Tianlein or anyone else who's not relentlessly negative about a game they still make videos about.

Theist_VII · November 12

Nefas wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

So, yeah, gimme a Xynode, Ghost, Dooma, Nefas, Artea, Tianlein or anyone else who's not relentlessly negative about a game they still make videos about.

How do you have a Class Rep tag on your account? Didn’t they end that program?

Amottica · November 12

Theist_VII wrote: »

Nefas wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

So, yeah, gimme a Xynode, Ghost, Dooma, Nefas, Artea, Tianlein or anyone else who's not relentlessly negative about a game they still make videos about.

How do you have a Class Rep tag on your account? Didn’t they end that program?

They did not remove the tag. Some players have a custom forum avatar from a different program they were part of. Zenimax did not take away those custom avatars. That is way cooler than keeping the class rep tag.

WaywardArgonian · November 12

Azura mentioned.

LadyAzura · November 12

OsUfi wrote: »

LalMirchi wrote: »

Sorry to say but this feels like a clickbait post. No text just a video, what's the point?

Just remembered where I have seen her face before. Azura. She's one of those streamers or YouTubers that played ESO that seems to hate the game, Bethesda, and ZoS.

With video titles like "Endeavours and why everybody is angry about group content". A thumbnail of Todd Howard on a video about paid mods captioned "people will buy anything". Declaring the crown store issue gifting the final nail in the coffin from September last year (yet here we are). My personal fave is a video called "When a company is consumed by greed: Zenimax Online Studios", where 9 months later she's still making content about ESO.

So, yeah, gimme a Xynode, Ghost, Dooma, Nefas, Artea, Tianlein or anyone else who's not relentlessly negative about a game they still make videos about.

and to answer your original point, yes, I know about endeavors, and I know that it takes about 9 months or more to earn a mount with them

Theist_VII · November 12

Amottica wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Nefas wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

So, yeah, gimme a Xynode, Ghost, Dooma, Nefas, Artea, Tianlein or anyone else who's not relentlessly negative about a game they still make videos about.

How do you have a Class Rep tag on your account? Didn’t they end that program?

They did not remove the tag. Some players have a custom forum avatar from a different program they were part of. Zenimax did not take away those custom avatars. That is way cooler than keeping the class rep tag.

Was he a Necromancer class rep, based on his profile picture? I was looking through the initial list of reps and didn’t see @Nefas on it and maybe that’s because the class hadn’t come out yet?

Also weird because @Joy_Division was on the list, yet they have neither their Class rep tag or a unique picture.

SilverBride · November 12

That makes me feel that there is too much significance on stuff instead of gameplay.

AzuraFan · November 12

I don't care. And given that you can earn mounts through endeavors, are those numbers true?

Joy_Division · November 12

Theist_VII wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Nefas wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

So, yeah, gimme a Xynode, Ghost, Dooma, Nefas, Artea, Tianlein or anyone else who's not relentlessly negative about a game they still make videos about.

How do you have a Class Rep tag on your account? Didn’t they end that program?

They did not remove the tag. Some players have a custom forum avatar from a different program they were part of. Zenimax did not take away those custom avatars. That is way cooler than keeping the class rep tag.

Was he a Necromancer class rep, based on his profile picture? I was looking through the initial list of reps and didn’t see @Nefas on it and maybe that’s because the class hadn’t come out yet?

Also weird because @Joy_Division was on the list, yet they have neither their Class rep tag or a unique picture.

Officially we weren't "class" reps so I don't think there were class themed avatars for something like Necromancers. We might have had a wider range of pics to select from, I don't remember as I was happy with the EP themed one I had. I do vaguely remember me and others having the class rep tag while we a part of the program.

As far of the OP, I do agree there should be more gameplay driven rewards/vanity cosmetics. It not only would incentivize people to play the game more, but also offer another avenue to folks susceptible to gambling additions or who just don;t have much money who would like some of these rewards. I get it cosmetics are good source of income for gaming companies and ultimately they need that to pay the bills and hire good people. That's fine. But when gameplay rewards are neglected, I think it is overall unhealthy for the game.

spartaxoxo · November 12

AzuraFan wrote: »

I don't care. And given that you can earn mounts through endeavors, are those numbers true?

It can't be including them. There is definitely more mounts in crates than 25. I own more mounts from crates than that and I am very far from owning all crate mounts.

Back in 2023, someone asked how many mounts we owned and I catalogued mine, just because I was curious of the breakdown.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/646276/how-many-mounts-you-own-2023-edition/p2

karthrag_inak · November 12

It makes khajiit feel innately superior, even more so than usual, due to the awesome power of his fully armed and operational Platinum card.

Besides, only Senche backs are suitable for khajiit's 19 delicate-yet-furry bottoms (argonian rides his guar and is happy), and naturally every bottom needs its own unique Senche mount. Furthermore, every mount must have appropriately matching non-combat pet. The proprieties must be observed.

Syldras · November 12

whitecrow wrote: »

Looks more like Cher to me.

Nah, Ithelia looks different.

Tommy_The_Gun · November 12

Assuming that "95%" contains mounts inside crown crates, then it is kinda incorrect as I can still grab that mounts eventually by doing endeavours and maybe watching twitch (Ouroboros Crate = Crown Gems).

fizzylu · November 12

As someone who did grow up playing MMOs without cash shops.... I find it a bit sad, but I also know that games that don't have a mandatory sub need a way to make money.

Now, I don't care for the majority of mounts that Zenimax designs and releases.... and I'm not really a "omg I must have that in-game thing or it's the end of the world" type of gamer anyway. So my biggest issue with so many things being in the cash shop really just comes down to it's influence on how players spend their time in-game.
I find it sad that there's barely anything to work for, something to push players to dive into a specific type of content or accomplish a certain thing to get something.... it's just "swipe your card, swipe your card". So many times I log into ESO just to log out because I truly really have nothing to do or work towards. And it blows my mind when I encounter someone who actually feels accomplished or like they're somehow great because they just spent hundreds of dollars to get the radiant apex they wanted.

But that video talks a lot about greed and how it impacts a game.... and honestly, I think it misses the main point. I don't think anyone is leaving or simply doesn't have interest in ESO because the mount they want is in a crown crate. I don't think a lot of modern gamers today will log onto a MMO and turn away because of a cash shop period. I'd say nothing like that is an actual issue, especially since I do think MMO players aren't usually the type of crowd to shy away from spending money on a game that they enjoy.... but instead, I personally find the real problem (from my own opinion and those I talk to about MMOs) to be the focus on cosmetics being put into the crown store or other merch being for sale rather than actual good, fun gameplay features/content being added to the game.... especially features/content players actually want, and even along with a lack of regular QoL improvements/bug fixes/etc.
*also want to add: I really noticed the focus on crown store goodies during Greymoor when I realized how small the chapter was and how little there was to do, yet every time I turned around there was some new stuff up for sale.

And I think we see time and time again on how Zenimax relies on the crown store UI and even other earnable cosmetic sources (event merchant, for example) as their main form of "content". I mean, seriously.... look at holiday events in other MMOs and it's crazy how many event specific features and things there are to do gameplay wise. But in ESO, it's usually just holiday specific cosmetics on a UI screen for sale or stuff you have to mindlessly grind for by doing existing content that's always there and we already do all the time (I will say; at least the Halloween event has evolved a bit over the years featuring the crow boss, etc).

Hapexamendios · November 12

Nothing

ESO_player123 · November 13

Nothing really. I have too many mounts already, and that is without buying any for crowns or seals. Besides, for most of them I cannot stand the flashy mounting animation.

Cazador · November 13

Don't really care tbh. I don't really want 99% of the mounts and maybe only use about a dozen different ones anyway.

Rkindaleft · November 13

The question of how does it make you feel is not the question that should be asked, in my opinion.The question should be “is having 95% of mounts featured in the game obtainable outside of gameplay fine or not?” The word mount could honestly be replaced with any cosmetic item.

There are some people on the forums who don’t care about these, which is fine, but that also doesn’t disregard the fact that there are very few rewards in the game that are actually obtainable through regular gameplay and not through the cash shop.

Endeavours exist, sure, but they are becoming increasingly more specific to complete and they keep upping the requirements of them to the point that people are starting to ignore them. Even if you do all endeavours every day it still takes months and months of doing them to even obtain one “cool” looking mount from the crown store, or a polymorph or whatever, and then you have to sit on them if you want something specific that’s not part of the current crate season.

I haven’t seen anything on Golden Pursuits so I don’t know how they will affect the situation, if at all.

Erickson9610 · November 13

Rkindaleft wrote: »

The question of how does it make you feel is not the question that should be asked, in my opinion.The question should be “is having 95% of mounts featured in the game obtainable outside of gameplay fine or not?” The word mount could honestly be replaced with any cosmetic item.

There are some people on the forums who don’t care about these, which is fine, but that also doesn’t disregard the fact that there are very few rewards in the game that are actually obtainable through regular gameplay and not through the cash shop.

Endeavours exist, sure, but they are becoming increasingly more specific to complete and they keep upping the requirements of them to the point that people are starting to ignore them. Even if you do all endeavours every day it still takes months and months of doing them to even obtain one “cool” looking mount from the crown store, or a polymorph or whatever, and then you have to sit on them if you want something specific that’s not part of the current crate season.

I haven’t seen anything on Golden Pursuits so I don’t know how they will affect the situation, if at all.

I think it's fine that the majority of cosmetic items come from the Crown Store. All of the functional rewards (like item sets, Tales of Tribute card upgrades, etcetera) come from gameplay, so there's no issue with the rewards system in this game.

It'd be much worse if players could buy items which would give them a sharp advantage over other players, which is the case in some other games out there.

Elsonso · November 13

Rkindaleft wrote: »

The question of how does it make you feel is not the question that should be asked, in my opinion.The question should be “is having 95% of mounts featured in the game obtainable outside of gameplay fine or not?” The word mount could honestly be replaced with any cosmetic item.

There are some people on the forums who don’t care about these, which is fine, but that also doesn’t disregard the fact that there are very few rewards in the game that are actually obtainable through regular gameplay and not through the cash shop.

Seriously, this boat is so far down river that it doesn't matter anymore. Objections were made. Objections had little impact. This is not a hill that the players are going to win.

Taril · November 13

Rkindaleft wrote: »

The question of how does it make you feel is not the question that should be asked, in my opinion.The question should be “is having 95% of mounts featured in the game obtainable outside of gameplay fine or not?” The word mount could honestly be replaced with any cosmetic item.

That's not even the right question.

The right question is "Are there enough [item] obtainable via gameplay, outside of using Seals of Endeavors?"

Percentages of Crown Store vs gameplay is completely irrelevant. If there are a million total items and 95% are Crown Store that's still 50,000 items to earn via gameplay, which is a TON.

The main issue would be if there simply is enough to earn in the game as a stand alone feature. It doesn't need to be compared or related to the Crown Store in any way.

One might have a concern that items may be directed to the Crown Store instead of being implemented as earnable in game via actual gameplay - But that's simply going back to the whole MTX debate in which there's not a whole lot that can be done given that such things bring in so much revenue that they're never going away (Even more so ESO which tried the mandatory sub method but found it unsustainable)

Thus, where cash shops are concerned, we can only hope to ensure that enough content is provided outside of the shop that we can be satisfied. While allowing whales to buy all the gaudy trinkets they want from the cash shop to fund everything.