Daily Endeavours: Complete TWO Heist Missions

Susan_Sto

Taril wrote: »

That said, I don't believe the person was pointing out the difference in grammar. I believe they were pointing out that "Endeavors" are typically difficult tasks and thus having the tasks for the Endeavors in game being more time consuming is supposed to be somehow relevant.

Which, I guess if he wants the game to turn into a full time job just so he can get his 30-45 daily seals of endeavor, all power to him. Most people want to play the game to have fun in their spare time, so designing arbitrarily annoying tasks for pittance rewards is not well received.

Remember when SOE's were sold as something you would do anyway during your game time. Several of the tasks given recently have been far from that.

tomofhyrule

It's weird - there was a period a bit ago that they seemed like they were asking a lot, and then the past week or so they've been ridiculously easy (e.g. "destroy 1 ghost", or a weekly that didn't even ask for a full Arc 1) before they started jumping back to asking a lot.

There was a happy medium when Endeavors released...

allochthons

Lykeion wrote: »

ZOS is extending the time it takes to complete the endeavor, and it looks like for most of them they are just doubling the numbers without a thought. I don't want there to be a day when I need to complete 2 trials for 10 endeavor tokens

Yeah, I think "without a thought," is key here. I suspect the people who input those numbers into the endeavor list don't play the game. And so don't realize that most players have (at most) 1 character that can even do heists, much less two. I doubt quest sharing was anywhere near their thought process.

They see a list of possible activities in the game, throw a dart at it, and increment it.

Speaking of which, why has crafting Vastarie's Tutelage come up 3 times in the last 2 months? How many craftable sets are there in the game? (rhetorical question)
If you're going to repeatedly make us craft 1 set, either make it useful (Order's Wrath) or a base game set (Hunding's Rage, both useful and base game!). Not everyone has ESO+ or access to a guild hall, and it strikes me as "craft X of Y set" is one of the easier ones for less advanced players anyway.
This has it's own thread, I didn't notice.

KromedeTheCorrupt

Buy our crown crates please stop farming endeavors since we were forced to add them in the game due to that court hearing about in game gambling.

I_killed_Vivec

A while ago I was fanatical about doing endeavours, writs, logging in to get hireling reports, etc., and felt bad about the thought of missing out.

Then one day I looked at the endeavours and thought "No, I don't want to do that" and went off to do what I actually wanted to do in the game.

From that moment on the spell was dismissed. I really don't care now. If I want to do them I'll do them, if not I won't.

It's really very liberating. And I'm sure that as ZoS push even more extreme endeavours many other people will find the same release... and never look back.

AzuraFan

The endeavors do seem all over the place in terms of effort. We had a couple of weeks of trivial ones (kill one thing), but now this week we have kill 100 enemies and do two heists (which requires two characters that have progressed far enough in the thieves guild main quest, or quest sharing). There's something amiss when I complete the weekly before completing the daily ones.

Desiato

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

A while ago I was fanatical about doing endeavours, writs, logging in to get hireling reports, etc., and felt bad about the thought of missing out.

Then one day I looked at the endeavours and thought "No, I don't want to do that" and went off to do what I actually wanted to do in the game.

ESO is best when one can ignore the carrots promoting activities they do not enjoy. It is at its worst when we fall into the trap of engaging in a series of activities we do not enjoy on a daily basis.

It's one thing to push through a grind now and then, but when we're clocking into a daily routine of activities that, by themselves, are extremely boring....

How many people are spending an hour a day playing Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter instead of The Elder Scrolls Online?

I glance at endeavours most days so I don't miss them if they're extremely easy, but I'll never go out of my way to do them.

vsrs_au

o_Primate_o wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

ZOS ... why are you setting daily endeavours that require quest sharing?

You can do multiple heists on one toon in one day.

Maybe, but it's definitely NOT worth the number of endeavour seals you get, which is the whole point of this thread.

Tandor

AzuraFan wrote: »

The endeavors do seem all over the place in terms of effort. We had a couple of weeks of trivial ones (kill one thing), but now this week we have kill 100 enemies and do two heists (which requires two characters that have progressed far enough in the thieves guild main quest, or quest sharing). There's something amiss when I complete the weekly before completing the daily ones.

Agreed, given that I have 2 accounts across 2 servers, I'm happy to harvest what amounts to 400 nodes this week (probably inside 3 days). Last week there was no way I was bothering with what amounted to 200 world bosses!

o_Primate_o

Gabriel_H wrote: »

o_Primate_o wrote: »

You can do multiple heists on one toon in one day.

Not without quest sharing.

you are right. i was thinking of the Kari's thieving guests.

ellmarie

The endeavors stink today for me. I try to go in my campaigns to repair some walls, because that's all I do, and not really seeing much to repair. So no APs for me. Not really worth doing much than sell to merchants for only 15 seals!!

ZOS_Icy

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Lugaldu

I also find myself wondering more and more about the Endeavors every week and it occurred to me that they are trying to drive people away from completing them. I mean, killing 15 Flesh Atronachs for 10 Endeavors? Or killing 15 innocents for 10 Endeavors...? Even as a member of the Dark Brotherhood you have to find that immoral...

ApoAlaia

I just wonder if this increase is 'prep' for the upcoming Golden Pursuits.

Getting us used to 'doing more for the same' if you will so the additional 'workload' comes as less of a shock.

Or maybe we are slacking and not meeting our productivity targets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tandor

ApoAlaia wrote: »

I just wonder if this increase is 'prep' for the upcoming Golden Pursuits.

Getting us used of 'doing more for the same' if you will so the additional 'workload' comes as less of a shock.

Or maybe we are slacking and not meeting our productivity targets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Very likely. However, the danger of such an approach is that players may feel that they're better off doing neither Endeavours nor Golden Pursuits. Add those things onto a crowded schedule of old events that most have done multiple times (and now don't get achievements for doing them again on additional characters) and a lot of us may decide it's time to just play the game.

freespirit

Tandor wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

I just wonder if this increase is 'prep' for the upcoming Golden Pursuits.

Getting us used of 'doing more for the same' if you will so the additional 'workload' comes as less of a shock.

Or maybe we are slacking and not meeting our productivity targets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Very likely. However, the danger of such an approach is that players may feel that they're better off doing neither Endeavours nor Golden Pursuits. Add those things onto a crowded schedule of old events that most have done multiple times (and now don't get achievements for doing them again on additional characters) and a lot of us may decide it's time to just play the game.

Whilst reading through this thread, this was exactly what I thought....... this is preparing us for Golden Pursuits, so we don't immediately react with "Omg these requirements are too high"!!

SeaGtGruff

It took me perhaps an hour total to do Elven Gardens quest in IC for 1 daily endeavor, then run around Craglorn harvesting all types of nodes while fighting mobs and bosses to complete 2 of the other daily endeavors plus 1 weekly endeavor. I thought that was pretty reasonable, especially since players with stronger DPS than I've got should be able to melt through everything at least twice as fast as it takes me.

I would have preferred to do the Heist endeavor, but right now only 1 of my characters can do Heists, so I'd have to run an alt through the Thieves Guild questline to be able to do Heists.

I've seen people refer to sharing quests. Can Heists be shared?

Edit: I probably could have done the 100 enemies daily endeavor a lot quicker by fighting a boss that has a lot of adds, but I chose Craglorn instead because I wanted to work on the weekly endeavor at the same time. If you don't care about getting the weekly done right away, just run Fungal Grotto 1 or a WB such as Songbird or Nilthog.

AcadianPaladin

One heist is fun and enjoyable for me - a fine daily endeavor. Two is tedious, complicated (only one TG char) and an instant no-go.

o_Primate_o

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

One heist is fun and enjoyable for me - a fine daily endeavor. Two is tedious, complicated (only one TG char) and an instant no-go.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

One heist is fun and enjoyable for me - a fine daily endeavor. Two is tedious, complicated (only one TG char) and an instant no-go.

takes about five minutes total, including logging into different toon to do second heist. OMG. Just run through the dungeon and pop locks.

shadyjane62

The easiest thing to do is not care about doing the endeavors. I do the ones I want and I no longer complain about the ridiculous ones I can't do.

Syldras

o_Primate_o wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

One heist is fun and enjoyable for me - a fine daily endeavor. Two is tedious, complicated (only one TG char) and an instant no-go.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

One heist is fun and enjoyable for me - a fine daily endeavor. Two is tedious, complicated (only one TG char) and an instant no-go.

takes about five minutes total, including logging into different toon to do second heist. OMG. Just run through the dungeon and pop locks.

The person you replied to literally said they only have one character in the Thieves Guild.

freespirit

Sold 30 empty soul gems

Added a few Tel Var to get the multiplier up, barely needed first two rooms in the sewers, also started my 100 kills

Finished 100 kills in Fungal, thankyou Clatterclaw my little mudcrab producing friend,

Less than 15 mins including travel time! 🤓 .

Arizona_Steve

Used to do the endeavors religiously. Now I log on, do horse training for my Arcanist, get the daily reward and pull in crafting emails from the assistant. Then log off.

No obtainable in-game mounts that I don't already have. No new skimpy clothing in-game for my companions to work towards No point playing outside of events.

Hapexamendios

I don't believe I can safely participate in this conversation.

Czeri

The 100 enemies one is super easy if you're farming the new West Weald motif. One mirrormoor nets you 60 enemies at least.

peacenote

AzuraFan wrote: »

The endeavors do seem all over the place in terms of effort. We had a couple of weeks of trivial ones (kill one thing), but now this week we have kill 100 enemies and do two heists (which requires two characters that have progressed far enough in the thieves guild main quest, or quest sharing). There's something amiss when I complete the weekly before completing the daily ones.

Yep agreed. I think someone is playing with AI generated coding....

valenwood_vegan

I guess they're thinking they're driving "engagement" on a pretty spreadsheet? But for me at least, it just turns me off more and more. Reduced content, so increase the artificial, timed grinds to keep everyone on the treadmill repeating the same old stuff. Don't fall for it. Imo of course.

Nerouyn

Personally I'm now just ignoring this part of the game.

Yes I'll miss out on stuff but it's not like there was any ever chance of my having all of the stuff in the crown store. That would bankrupt me at least 40 times over.

Play the parts of the game I enjoy. End of story.

Dojohoda

Yeah I sold 30 items then logged off. Got a late start today.

James-Wayne

I'm ok with what they are offering if they are worth it, they are usually not. Let me craft 1 item instead.