STOP 2x DROP any resources events

Jaraal

tincanman wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

That's the approach they're going for pretty intentionally I'd assume, not that as a seller I'm liking it as I'm just not bothered to sell anything but hoard until some shift.

I hear this a lot from long-term traders who haven't quit yet.

Yeah I used to make millions a week farming and selling rare items to those who could not/would not take the time to gather them themselves. But after ZOS tanked the economy and essentially doubled the listing cost of high end items that often take a full 30 days to move, I decided that my play time was not worth making less than half my original profit on said items. So I'm doing other things with my game time now. And yes, the number of rare items for sale overall has dropped. So, once the demand begins to outpace supply and the market corrects itself again, I'll start devoting more time to getting stuff for my customers.

tincanman

If you're on pc eu then the current exploiters exploders explicators explainers explorers event has, arguably, one day less due to zos seamless planning for maintenance.

SilverBride

Syldras wrote: »

Fascinating that there seems to be no topic people don't complain about. I do trade to get gold for housing and mats is actually what I sell most, and yes, there's a price drop during and after these events - but I just sell other items instead for that time. It will even out again.

Nothing has evened out on PCNA. The prices of gold crafting mats plummeted and stayed low. I am selling some furnishings now also but they sell slowly, if at all.

I enjoyed selling and doing well and feeling like I was contributing to the guild. I am not happy just being a name on a roster but rather strive to be active and do my part. Bringing in 1/4 the revenue to the guild that I used to just feels bad.

Nharimlur_Finor

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

I for one will not be upset if the guild trader system is killed by the influx of materials.

Interesting point.

Let's get rid of the guild trading system entirely. Seriously.
Let's not pay 'dues' to some clown for taking something that is free in-game and charging us for permission to use it.

Let's all farm our own mats for crafting
Let's all spend a few hours researching alchemy so we can craft our own pots
Let's all spend six months researching traits so that we can all grind master writs
Let's all grind for each motif that each Master Writ requires, after all, that is why Master writs are actually Quests...
Let's all grind Master Writs to get our own training dummies and crafting stations and transmute stations.
Obviously, if your character is new and doesn't have skill points, you'll need to grind quests and skyshards to get the points needed for crafting.

Let's all farm our own recipes for food and furniture
Let's all craft all our own food/drink buffs.
Let's all farm our own gold style pages
Let's all grind for our own BIS gear, rather than paying someone else to carry us, because carrying is bad mkay?

Let's all earn gold from kills and chests, rather than making money from selling things that we find.
Obviously, we'll all need to learn lock-picking and spend some time downstairs pawning all the stolen stuff.
Let's all earn gold from master writs,
Obviously, only after you've gotten to the stage needed to actually do Master writs.

Enjoy your double mat event and make the most of it.

Elvenheart

LaintalAy wrote: »

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

I for one will not be upset if the guild trader system is killed by the influx of materials.

Interesting point.

Let's get rid of the guild trading system entirely. Seriously.
Let's not pay 'dues' to some clown for taking something that is free in-game and charging us for permission to use it.

Let's all farm our own mats for crafting
Let's all spend a few hours researching alchemy so we can craft our own pots
Let's all spend six months researching traits so that we can all grind master writs
Let's all grind for each motif that each Master Writ requires, after all, that is why Master writs are actually Quests...
Let's all grind Master Writs to get our own training dummies and crafting stations and transmute stations.
Obviously, if your character is new and doesn't have skill points, you'll need to grind quests and skyshards to get the points needed for crafting.

Let's all farm our own recipes for food and furniture
Let's all craft all our own food/drink buffs.
Let's all farm our own gold style pages
Let's all grind for our own BIS gear, rather than paying someone else to carry us, because carrying is bad mkay?

Let's all earn gold from kills and chests, rather than making money from selling things that we find.
Obviously, we'll all need to learn lock-picking and spend some time downstairs pawning all the stolen stuff.
Let's all earn gold from master writs,
Obviously, only after you've gotten to the stage needed to actually do Master writs.

Enjoy your double mat event and make the most of it.

How about we just…play the game? 😂

ElderSmitter

SilverBride wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

When people who play the market complain about prices dropping i bet they have tens to hundreds of millions of gold in their banks.

And I'd like to keep it that way.

I trade so I can afford to buy and decorate houses. That is very expensive. I've spent over 60 million gold buying crowns to purchase 3 houses, and that doesn't take into account the millions for furnishings and mats to make furnishings to decorate them and the other 36 houses I've completed.

It would be nice if they dropped the crown cost for houses but I don't see that happening. And furnishing mats are still expensive and haven't gone down in price even though my income has.

Then there is the fact that we need to bring in income for our guilds to stay afloat. And my income now is 1/4 what it used to be.

If they are going to "fix" the economy they need to fix all of it.

Materials like Grain Solvent and Elegant Lining are almost as cheap as selling the weapons and armor without deconstructing now. You do not always get those materials when you decon. So, i see it as a problem as the Gold selling them is now almost equal to taking the risk to Decon.. To me that says Houston we have a problem with the economy getting too cheap there. As for Motif farming as a Tank I see Motif's for tougher content starting to increase in price because the inventory has falling so low people are having trouble completing their style sets.. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Elegan lining sells for about 100-120 now as does Grain Solvent. Style Traits like Culanda Laquer are back up and now i am getting 9k again pretty easily. I won't sell Dec wax and just collecting as 200 gold per is way to cheap to sell... Heartwood used to be 200 pagesand around 1500 per gold on ttc . Now it is down to 75 pages around 600 to 800 per. As Players find it not worth their time to farm Inventory is going to get critically low this Winter in the US NA and prices will be forced to rise. Mundane is about 650 and used to be 1,000+ It is time consuming stopping for every rune stone and inventory on TTC also shows now pages down to around 85..

Either players are loading up at these prices or Players are just not selling and farming these items at these prices as their time is more valuable elsewhere... I have been buying extra Alchemy Mats as i blow through them tanking and the prices i am paying are dirt cheap for the time it would take me to farm them myself. So yes, i agree with you things are very out of balance at the moment cheap does not always mean good...

Ishtarknows

tincanman wrote: »

If you're on pc eu then the current exploiters exploders explicators explainers explorers event has, arguably, one day less due to zos seamless planning for maintenance.

If you're playing on Xbox EU you've lost 2 days, after last week's 20 hour maintenance and then this week's.

WitchyKiki

I don't care for prices picking up to the madness its been for years. I am only happy that things sell sell sell. For a minute, everything kept coming back expired. Now things are flying off the shelves, and I'm more confident in also buying up items. I love double node events, I get to collect mats for my own use and with this economy, I'm buying up mats more than ever.

WitchyKiki

Silaf wrote: »

carthalis wrote: »

a great time to do those survery maps and been going out doing an area at time clearing some of the stash from my bank

Events don't increase the survey map drops.

Everyone knows this. People do surveys during double drops so they can pick up whatever nodes they find on the way to the surveys.

Oblivion_Protocol

In my experience, there are only two types of players who complain about falling prices in guild traders:

1) Gold whales who are sitting on tens of millions of gold and want to remain in the upper 1% even if it’s to the detriment of the game, or…

2) Players who want to become said gold whales and are mad that the gap is firmly closing before they can get a chance to bend the economy over like all the other billionaires.

SilverBride

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

In my experience, there are only two types of players who complain about falling prices in guild traders:

1) Gold whales who are sitting on tens of millions of gold and want to remain in the upper 1% even if it’s to the detriment of the game, or…

2) Players who want to become said gold whales and are mad that the gap is firmly closing before they can get a chance to bend the economy over like all the other billionaires.

3) Players who want to afford the things in game they find enjoyable.

ElderSmitter

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

In my experience, there are only two types of players who complain about falling prices in guild traders:

1) Gold whales who are sitting on tens of millions of gold and want to remain in the upper 1% even if it’s to the detriment of the game, or…

2) Players who want to become said gold whales and are mad that the gap is firmly closing before they can get a chance to bend the economy over like all the other billionaires.

I think there is more to it than that. If you have a Job and what you are creating is selling for less than the Materials You will go out of business. Obviously. Well, if Grain Solvent and Elegant Lining are selling for less than the Purple Cuirass you get from a chest why would you decon it for the materials? You could just use the gold from selling the Cuirass to go buy Grain Solvent. Which means less people will Decon to sell Grain Solvent and instead sell the Cuirass for Gold. If you really want to go Farm Bedlaim Veil for lets say those Legs (Motif Cultist) you really Like because there is none for sale on any Vendors or TTC due to the lack of pricing making it not worth Tanks like myself to Farm Bedlam to keep the Motifs rolling in, then you have a problem. It is not always about how Low or How high. It is about keep an economy in balance. Believe me i love that Alchemy Mats are dirt cheap because i Tank a lot and burn through Potions. That does not make it healthy though they are this cheap if we run out of Mountain Flower sellers for example.

oldbobdude

Meh. ZOS can do whatever they want. I’m not selling anything but excess cheap stuff in craft bag. Trading is just another end game activity I’ve stopped playing. I’m not farming anymore except for stuff I want. But, you know, folks can do what they want.

Moothos

How is 2x resource drops killing the economy? 2x resource drops means people have a higher surplus of materials to sell. If you want to talk about a dead economy, think about what would happen if ZOS just disabled resource drops completely.

kargen27

TDVM wrote: »

This is a direct killing of the economy of the game, which is already in a very bad state, prices for everything continue to fall rapidly and prices do not have time to return to the usual state as there is another event for resources. Maybe it's time for to come up with interesting events and not events that will finally kill the economy of the game?

It is very disappointing that the ZOS are not trying to do anything about the falling economy.

What you are describing is a working economy. Supply has increased and demand has gone down. New prices adjusted to the new market. The events stacked one on top of another caused the market to fall quicker than might have been healthy but it was going to fall eventually. Eventually prices will begin to go back up. Not as fast as they went down but that is usually the case with any market.

katanagirl1

This event is good for me, I farm my own mats and never buy them.

Honestly, why would you buy regular crating mats? If you pick up enough of them and/or refine them, you are 100% guaranteed to get what you want. (Not so much with furnishing mats, I still am not getting enough of those.) It’s not like farming housing plans where you can spend hours opening cabinets and urns and get nothing of value.

SilverBride

katanagirl1 wrote: »

This event is good for me, I farm my own mats and never buy them.

Honestly, why would you buy regular crating mats?

Because I hate farming more than anything else in this game and I will not spend my play time doing it. I trade so I can buy what I need.

Servadei

More double drop events please ZOS. I love that the prices are falling.

Meiox

TDVM wrote: »

This is a direct killing of the economy of the game, which is already in a very bad state, prices for everything continue to fall rapidly and prices do not have time to return to the usual state as there is another event for resources. Maybe it's time for to come up with interesting events and not events that will finally kill the economy of the game?

It is very disappointing that the ZOS are not trying to do anything about the falling economy.

How dare people harvest the stuff for themself instead of buying it from you ;-P

moderatelyfatman

TDVM wrote: »

This is a direct killing of the economy of the game, which is already in a very bad state, prices for everything continue to fall rapidly and prices do not have time to return to the usual state as there is another event for resources. Maybe it's time for to come up with interesting events and not events that will finally kill the economy of the game?

It is very disappointing that the ZOS are not trying to do anything about the falling economy.

Nah, it's just ZOS prioritising new players over older ones.

Major_Toughness

Keep them coming. Fixing the games economy.

ApoAlaia

As others have expressed already the current state of flux is not encouraging me to sell, is just feeding into my unhealthy hoarding habits instead.

Said that there is a positive to this 'mat drop bonanza', some fellow players that used to endlessly complain about the unreasonable prices have actually made more productive use of their time and engaged with collecting the stuff they require instead.

Unfortunately the flip side of this has been emboldening those who no matter what the drop rate is think that farming is beneath them and reinforced their notion that they have the right to set the price on other people's time.

All in all a mixed bag.

We will see where it settles; ngl keeping the guilds going is proving more and more challenging as the turmoil continues but contrary to popular belief no single or small group of players can affect it in any meaningful way so personally I will continue selling what seems to be worth selling - thus contributing to keeping the guild afloat - and hoarding what doesn't.

ApoAlaia

katanagirl1 wrote: »

This event is good for me, I farm my own mats and never buy them.

Honestly, why would you buy regular crating mats? If you pick up enough of them and/or refine them, you are 100% guaranteed to get what you want. (Not so much with furnishing mats, I still am not getting enough of those.) It’s not like farming housing plans where you can spend hours opening cabinets and urns and get nothing of value.

Next patch has you covered:



Still not adding them to survey nodes though, make of that what you will.

Personally, given that the devs have not even acknowledged that surveys are in sore need of a QoL pass and they have in fact made their location even more inconvenient than the preceding ones with every chapter release (West Weald taking the biscuit on that regard even though the zone has 14 wayshrines, which is an achievement in on itself) I make it that they take my time and the time of those like myself for granted.

However given that the surveys are increasingly time consuming to collect and the proceeds from those surveys are not worth selling anymore, for someone that has been doing this for long enough, as the saying goes, the only winning move is not to play.

AllenaNightWood

i disagree it keeps market for this balanced because if we see less resources in traders there only going to be more expensive

rothan117

Personally, I get the distinct feeling that the deflation in the economy is entirely intended by ZOS. The high prices undoubtedly drove people to buy gold and deflating the prices of goods sold on traders woould significantly lessen the incentive to buy gold. I can see very good reasons for taking steps to deflate the prices even though I sell a lot of stuff on traders. I have hundreds of millions of gold sitting in my bank but honestly, there is nothing I am interested in buying, so why do I keep selling stuff. I don't know, habit probably. I probably need to rethink my priorities in the game or find another one that offers something more engaging. The last "expansion" certainly did not fill that bill for me. I was done with it in under 2 weeks. I found infinite archive got boring quickly, it just seemed to be a lot of recycled bosses from various places is ESO strung together.

StarOfElyon

TDVM wrote: »

This is a direct killing of the economy of the game, which is already in a very bad state, prices for everything continue to fall rapidly and prices do not have time to return to the usual state as there is another event for resources. Maybe it's time for to come up with interesting events and not events that will finally kill the economy of the game?

It is very disappointing that the ZOS are not trying to do anything about the falling economy.

Oh no.... Someone is suffering because I can pick my own wormwood.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Dax_Draconis wrote: »

Now it's time to make housing more accessible by increasing the drop rate of furnishing plans, ZOS!

I believe that’s the Witches Festival.

freespirit

I trade and I decorate, the first is necessary to afford the second in my experience.

My sales are down 50-75% a week but so are the housing materials I use most of.

Where the situation becomes more difficult is the style mats that are used in a lot of furnishings, they are definitely on the rise again, price wise, probably because Anniversary Event drops have been used up and people are looking to restock them.

Things like Culanda Laquer, Stendarr Stamp, Ivory Brigade Clasp, Shimmering Sand and many others, people aren't doing the content where they drop.

I wanted to unlock the Waterfall Everlasting from Summerset on my newest account, to do so I needed to complete 30 delve dailies. Alinor was usually busy but I rarely saw another player in any of the delves!

I know all the delves and have routes but for those that don't some of them can be really annoying, anyway it was during doing those I noticed the price of Culanda Laquer had risen quite high again. Thirty dailies netted me 30 Laquer, it always drops in the reward coffers.

Maybe those that wish to still trade and make good money should take a closer look at these style mats! Oh and I completed the 30 dailies pretty fast using shares! 🙂

SilverBride

freespirit wrote: »

Things like Culanda Laquer, Stendarr Stamp, Ivory Brigade Clasp, Shimmering Sand and many others, people aren't doing the content where they drop.

This has been a real source of irritation with me. The only way to get these is to do dailies in their respective zones which is time consuming. These things should drop from any mob in the zone.

And why do we need these to craft a style anyway? They did it right with West Weald and the Colovian furnishings. We can just craft these without spending hours gathering some special mat first. This is how it should be for all furnishing styles.

freespirit

SilverBride wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Things like Culanda Laquer, Stendarr Stamp, Ivory Brigade Clasp, Shimmering Sand and many others, people aren't doing the content where they drop.

This has been a real source of irritation with me. The only way to get these is to do dailies in their respective zones which is time consuming. These things should drop from any mob in the zone.

And why do we need these to craft a style anyway? They did it right with West Weald and the Colovian furnishings. We can just craft these without spending hours gathering some special mat first. This is how it should be for all furnishing styles.

Actually another way to get these style mats is to make gear using mimic stones in the respective styles and decon that gear for a chance of the style mat to drop. I have quite a stock of mimic stones from Daily Rewards, it's never going to be the perfect solution but it does work.

I make a white item in the required style, no trait because that only adds another possible item(trait stone) to drop during decon, have meticulous disassembly slotted and any other relevent passive, then decon one item at a time.

This has been my main source for Glass Eye of Mora for quite some time! 🙂