Complete One Arena is overkill for a Daily Endeavor

SilverBride

Completing an entire arena is too time consuming for a daily endeavor for 15 seals. It would be more reasonable if it was something like "Complete 5 rounds of an arena" or "Complete 1 Arc of the Infinite Archive". Please consider adjusting this.

kevkj

1 Arc of IA is around 10 minutes, normal Vateshran is less than 15 minutes and normal Maelstrom is maybe 20 minutes+ with all the delayed spawns? Even normal Dragonstar solo would be less than 30 minutes. Given they also have PVE oriented endeavours for completing a trial which can be way more involved with having to find a group, solo-able arenas are a breeze by comparison if you are so hard up for endeavours.

If endeavours are too time consuming, you might consider not engaging with them at all and that will be the best indicator to ZOS that the time/reward ratio is not to your satisfaction.

SilverBride

These arenas take me a lot longer than 15 to 20 minutes, and I would bet I am not the only one.

And I am not going to stop doing endeavors which they aren't likely to even notice, when I can more reliably give my feedback here.

kevkj

You should give a frame of reference for how long you expect your suggested "5 rounds of an arena" or "1 arc of IA" would take to complete. Does a whole arena take you an hour and you expect 5 rounds to cut it down to 30 minutes?

Changing it to 5 rounds for an arena would effectively lock you out of choosing to do Vateshran given that it doesn't have the classical round format. They also already have IA endeavours that involve only completely 1 or 2 stages, so in the case of your second suggestion you are advocating for an increase of time invested.

SilverBride

This is my feedback and how I perceive it.

kevkj

You can't just declare your feedback is valid because you said it is, without addressing missing details that have been asked of you. If you didn't want other people to challenge your 'feedback', use the feedback form in-game and not the forums.

Complaining something takes too long and not giving an actual number for how long is too long is the most inane and useless form of 'feedback'.

I_killed_Vivec

I didn't do that today, because I have flower surveys that need picking and West Weald dailies to do... and simply having a different colour for elemental blockade gave me the third as an automatic consequence of running round doing the others.

And in a way that is the point. It might take 35 minutes for a leisurely stroll round normal maelstrom, but as a consequence of completing that you might have killed x humanoids, or cast skills with a skill style, or poisoned y enemies, or killed z mobs with class skills, etc.

And in the process you'll have given the goblins of Fungal Grotto some time off

Endeavours are supposed to be something you do as a matter of course just playing the game. Of course some aren't (I believe there was an IA one recently that required a companion that I will never get), but that's why there are five to choose from.

Morvan

I mean, it's just 1 option out of 5, you can just do the quicker ones, I've done all 3 in less than 10 minutes.

SilverBride

Morvan wrote: »

I mean, it's just 1 option out of 5, you can just do the quicker ones, I've done all 3 in less than 10 minutes.

That is all fine but it doesn't mean that the arena one is comparable to the rest of the daily endeavors for the amount of time and effort they take.

Luke_Flamesword

"Kill 1 boss in any Arena" - that would be reasonable.

Morvan

SilverBride wrote: »

That is all fine but it doesn't mean that the arena one is comparable to the rest of the daily endeavors for the amount of time and effort they take.

Well, I don't think it's meant to be, it's more like a conveniency thing, imagine you were doing an arena for other reasons today, that would save you one endeavor.

It's like the PvP ones, they know not everyone enjoys or do PvP at all, that's why you won't get multiple PvP daily endeavors at the same time, there's always at least 3 more accessible options.

DenverRalphy

Morvan wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

That is all fine but it doesn't mean that the arena one is comparable to the rest of the daily endeavors for the amount of time and effort they take.

Well, I don't think it's meant to be, it's more like a conveniency thing, imagine you were doing an arena for other reasons today, that would save you one endeavor.

It's like the PvP ones, they know not everyone enjoys or do PvP at all, that's why you won't get multiple PvP daily endeavors at the same time, there's always at least 3 more accessible options.

Exactly this.

Endeavors aren't selected by required time investment. They're chosen to spread the opportunity to players of all activities.

If a player is going to be in an arena for whatever reason, they really don't get opportunities to collect resource nodes or damage structures in cyrodil. So throwing them a bone is pretty nice.

SilverBride

Do that many players really run arenas every day? I can understand the PvP ones etc., but I diidn't think arenas were that commonly run.

DenverRalphy

SilverBride wrote: »

Do that many players really run arenas every day? I can understand the PvP ones etc., but I diidn't think arenas were that commonly run.

If a player is lookin for a specific piece of gear for a stickerbook, especially perfected gear... then yep. It can take days if RNG makes that one specific weapon wait until the last possible curateed piece.

I imagine some people just simply enjoy them too. They're also not terrible for newer players looking to test/tweak their builds.

opalcity

I don't have Gold Road, and I couldn't be bothered to do an arena, so I only did two endeavours today.

Genuinely can't remember the last time I didn't do all three.

If one of the other endeavours was combat based like 'kill x enemies', 'use weapon skills' etc etc (basically anything that I could have folded in with doing an arena) then it might have been worth my time but it's only 15 Seals so not a big deal for me.

TheMajority

no it's not

dragonstar only takes BARELY 30 minutes if you get geared. and i am not even talking meta gear, good crafted sets and oakensoul can get the average player through dragonstar specially in a group

you dont even have to have oakensoul just some decent crafted gear and it can be done, even solo

its not super hard and it is not a problem

people who do this content do deserve a chance to have that content get an endeavor. the endeavor is not for people who want only easy content, it is for the people who do this kind of content

and yeah, people do go to these arenas ever day because some people like to challenge themself

but even if some arena is a challenge, dragonstar is so easy for a player who is in the game a long time and I think its not much to ask for someone to go to this content and earn an endeavor especially when there is already 3 easy choice

TheImperfect

I like the endeavours but feel like the daily ones have been too challenging lately.

spartaxoxo

I don't do it anymore but I used to run arenas sometimes just for the fun of it. There's not a lot of content you can do as a vet by yourself that's actually a good challenge. But, solo arenas offer that challenge and they are fun to do. These days I do IA so it's more rewarding but that doesn't mean others don't do arenas.

All of the endeavors are designed so that everyone gets a chance to get some done through the course of their normal gameplay. Arenas and Trials are part of that.

twev

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

I didn't do that today, because I have flower surveys that need picking and West Weald dailies to do... and simply having a different colour for elemental blockade gave me the third as an automatic consequence of running round doing the others.

And in a way that is the point. It might take 35 minutes for a leisurely stroll round normal maelstrom, but as a consequence of completing that you might have killed x humanoids, or cast skills with a skill style, or poisoned y enemies, or killed z mobs with class skills, etc.

And in the process you'll have given the goblins of Fungal Grotto some time off

Endeavours are supposed to be something you do as a matter of course just playing the game. Of course some aren't (I believe there was an IA one recently that required a companion that I will never get), but that's why there are five to choose from.

Mostly agree but I'd be OK with that particular kind of endeavor if it was a 6th *optional choice of the 3 baseline (it wouldn't be for a 4th completion) if it also gave a much higher reward.
what needs to be considered is that there ar e a lot of players that get locked out of an endeavor or two for the day because they are either low level, or play baseline game without a required chapter.
If the game is going to offer a particularly difficult or exclusive endeavor - it should be a 6th option, and pay a lot better.

ElderSmitter

15 seals and 1.7k to run an entire Arena is kind of comical to be honest. I don't care either way I have almost 50,000 seals and still hoarding them for what I don't know. I kind of like the look of the Hollow Soul Steed but not sure if I want to spend 16k seals on it for Halloween. Finishing 1 Level would be better for 15 seals. I did run like 10 Vet dungeons today lol..

So, i am not complaining about the Arena just commenting that 15 Seals to run an entire Arena seems steep for sure! Maybe if it was a bonus one for like 300-500 then it would be worth it. I like running Arena's too but i can see the casual player not wanting to or not being able to finish one for sure.

Also, what does cast 15 Skills with an active Skill style mean? I have been playing all day and not even 1 cast counted LOL...

ChaoticWings3

ElderSmitter wrote: »

Also, what does cast 15 Skills with an active Skill style mean? I have been playing all day and not even 1 cast counted LOL...

It's from scribing. If you have some skill styles unlocked like vigor blue. Just cast that 15 times with vigor blue active. You have to make it active in the skill menu though.

ElderSmitter

ChaoticWings3 wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

Also, what does cast 15 Skills with an active Skill style mean? I have been playing all day and not even 1 cast counted LOL...

It's from scribing. If you have some skill styles unlocked like vigor blue. Just cast those 15 times with vigor blue active. You have to make it active in the skill menu though.

Oh OK! Thank You I appreciate the info!

ElderSmitter

ChaoticWings3 wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

Also, what does cast 15 Skills with an active Skill style mean? I have been playing all day and not even 1 cast counted LOL...

It's from scribing. If you have some skill styles unlocked like vigor blue. Just cast that 15 times with vigor blue active. You have to make it active in the skill menu though.

It Worked! Thanks...

SilverBride

ElderSmitter wrote: »

15 seals and 1.7k to run an entire Arena is kind of comical to be honest.

I agree. It doesn't seem like adequate compensation to me.

They should also include the Infinite Archive in this endeavor because isn't it considered an arena?

Desiato

ElderSmitter wrote: »

15 seals and 1.7k to run an entire Arena is kind of comical to be honest.

Not for someone who is going to run an arena anyway, especially if the seals are a pleasant surprise for them.

I think it's cool that someone who felt intimidated by arenas may have completed one for the seals today and enjoyed it more than they thought they would, perhaps giving them motivation to try others. IMO, the endeavor system was designed, in part, for this purpose.

I don't think it's a big deal when daily endeavors don't appeal to me. I think it should be expected because there is so much variety in ESO. I'm definitely not going to do something I don't enjoy for 15 seals and I think that's fine.

katanagirl1

Trials aren’t adequate compensation, unless you were already planning to do one. That has worked in my favor before.

Sometimes endeavors are an encouragement to do something different. Like for instance, maybe you’d like to do DSA but could never find a group. Well, when it’s an endeavor maybe you can find a group. I don’t plan to do one but I’m glad if someone else can benefit.

virtus753

SilverBride wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

15 seals and 1.7k to run an entire Arena is kind of comical to be honest.

I agree. It doesn't seem like adequate compensation to me.

They should also include the Infinite Archive in this endeavor because isn't it considered an arena?

It is officially described as an "arena-type activity" (or simply "PvE activity"): https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/64837

The awkward labeling suggests it isn't classified as an arena proper like Maelstrom, Vateshran, and Dragonstar.

thorwyn

Obviously, there are people out there who don't need an entire afternoon to finish one nMA run and who are ok with this endeavour. I don't get where this "I can't do it in x minutes, so ZOS has to change it" entitlement is coming from. There are 5 tasks to chose from, so pick the ones that fit your playstyle.

Pelanora

One can only do three....

Why complain about number four or number five.

MrGarlic

Imagine if we got 'Complete a trial,' and it only offered 10 seals of endeavours.

SilverBride

Players that are already running arenas every day anyway probably wouldn't complain if they completed the endeavor in 5 rounds, and this would help those that can't finish a whole arena quickly. They already have "Complete 2 stages of the Infinite Archive" daily endeavors so why not?