New necromancer companion is the biggest disappointment out of them all yet

ElvenOverlord

TheBardAtTheInn wrote: »

I applaud ZOS for making one of the most interesting takes on a necromancer that I've seen in a while. Someone who uses the manipulation of souls to redeem them is so interesting, not to mention his deep ties to the super fascinating Khajiit lore and mythology. Plus, him being a morally good necromancer make sense when considering khajiit culture and their less strict view of necromancy as evil compared to other races.

Exactly. The concept of a “morally good” necromancer is not anything new. It has a place in Elder Scrolls lore, they are not all villainous and power hungry and seeking to become liches/gods like Mannimarco. I understand people wanted some dark, arrogant necro companion who is not a goody goody two shoes and I still hope we get that at some point but I personally find his backstory fascinating. Being the “bad guy” is such a fad right now that a deep and complex moral character might be overlooked or looked down on. But I’m curious and willing to give his story a chance.

JemadarofCaerSalis

Syldras wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I hadn't known that about Tiras, I just love how he seemed to grow during that one quest and would love to see more of him and Revus and Lady Laurent and Stibbons can be eaten by a voriplasm for all I care...

I don't think we'll see Tiras and Revus together again, but maybe seperately.

I've been wondering if a story about Revus progressing through the ranks would be amusing (especially if he gets promoted despite his quirks - maybe just out of luck even). I mean, he mentions he has been promoted to spellwright (in Blackwood), which is also just a type of oathman, which means he had just been a retainer before. Which means he is no born Telvanni, but joined as an adult (which I suspected anyway, as he lives far away from the typical Telvanni settlements and I think I've read somewhere that some members of the Demnevanni family are somehow involved in Imperial politics). And since he mentions his "superiors at Tel Naga", he seems to have applied to work for Master Neloth - which is interesting considering he had officially been teamed up with Tiras who belongs to Mistress Therana's family. Anyway, I digress...

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Another thing to note, I feel, is that people, while often a product of their environments, aren't just carbon copies, but they also don't often turn out to be negative copies either.
IE, they will have some beliefs that they retain from their parents/culture, but some of their beliefs will be different, or if they are rebelling against, the negative of the parents' beliefs/culture.

Unfortunately, I have the impression that it's often a rebellion just to be different than the mainstream, no matter how the mainstream looks like. It can currently be seen in my country where the mainstream is rather open-minded, and the younger generation is getting stricter and more "traditional" again. But that's bordering politics once more (all I might still add is that rebellion for rebellion's sake seems stupid to me; people should use their reason to decide on a case by case basis what makes sense and what should be changed, but unfortunately, many people rather seem to follow stupid agendas without ever questioning them).

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I think it would be very interesting, and this goes back to 'character growth' to have a haughty Altmer who, upon seeing the wider world for the first time, starts to realize that not all the things he has been taught as a youngster are true. Going back to the scholar we both would love to see, his quests could focus on wanting to find books he had heard about, but aren't available where he lived because they aren't by Altmer authors, or they go against what the Altmer society teaches. Or maybe they are uncensored versions of the books he has read.
By the end of it, he could still be a haughty altmer, but is slowly losing that arrogance and wants to learn more.
Through his dialogue and comments, we could learn more about how Altmer society views things, and little bits of lore he learned from his books.
I also feel it would help to show that, yes, he is a product of his environment, but he isn't a carbon copy of said environment, and isn't static.

Might work out well. Or he accidentally comes across a volume of the Argonian Maid or the tales of Fjokki the bard, is absolutely disgusted, and decided he'd rather return to Alinor and not leave the Isles ever again

Ah, yeah, I just liked the chemistry the two of them had, and of all the pairs I had come across, those are the two I would far prefer to keep running across. I cringe when I see stibbons anywhere now. Especially when it won't actually let me let either him or laurent get eaten *disappointed*

Yeah, I see a lot of people rebelling just to be different, but even then, they often will still have many of the views of their parents/mainstream, just not the 'flashy' ones. There are people who do rebel completely, but most of the time, when you start digging, a lot of people don't.

Basically, it is one of those 'just because you believe X doesn't mean you believe Y, people who believe X aren't a hivemind' situation. (but I agree that this is getting a bit too close to politics)

Re the argonian maid. I could see that... I don't think it would make a good companion, if you have to figure out how to coax him to come every time you try to summon him when he isn't in Alinor, but as a side quest for a random character I could see something like that being hilarious.

Though, I could also see potential in it being a companion, where his summoning lines could be along the lines of 'you don't have that *shudder* book anywhere nearby do you?' or needing to promise to warn him before he reads anything like it again. (or him blushing everytime he sees a female argonian :P)

JemadarofCaerSalis

ElvenOverlord wrote: »

TheBardAtTheInn wrote: »

I applaud ZOS for making one of the most interesting takes on a necromancer that I've seen in a while. Someone who uses the manipulation of souls to redeem them is so interesting, not to mention his deep ties to the super fascinating Khajiit lore and mythology. Plus, him being a morally good necromancer make sense when considering khajiit culture and their less strict view of necromancy as evil compared to other races.

Exactly. The concept of a “morally good” necromancer is not anything new. It has a place in Elder Scrolls lore, they are not all villainous and power hungry and seeking to become liches/gods like Mannimarco. I understand people wanted some dark, arrogant necro companion who is not a goody goody two shoes and I still hope we get that at some point but I personally find his backstory fascinating. Being the “bad guy” is such a fad right now that a deep and complex moral character might be overlooked or looked down on. But I’m curious and willing to give his story a chance.

Honestly, this is how I feel.

I would have just not used him if he had been the typical 'ooh corpses! skeleton time!' necromancer, but since hearing that he isn't, I am willing to give him a chance.

I also agree that it would be nice if we DO get alternatives, not just race/gender, but also for the classes themselves.

Syldras

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Ah, yeah, I just liked the chemistry the two of them had, and of all the pairs I had come across, those are the two I would far prefer to keep running across.

It was strange enough not to see any recurrent Telvanni character (except for Gothren at the Council meeting) on Telvanni Peninsula anyway. Whether one likes returning characters is a topic by itself, but if ZOS does this, why not characters that fit the place? Of course they threw in both Naryu and Ashur instead... While they are Dunmer at least, they could still be shoven into any other zone.

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Basically, it is one of those 'just because you believe X doesn't mean you believe Y, people who believe X aren't a hivemind' situation. (but I agree that this is getting a bit too close to politics)

Oh, I wish most people understood that. But nowadays many even think that belonging to a certain group means they would have to confirm to the whole cliché and they even deliberately do that. It's utterly stupid. Especially if they still talk about individuality and freedom.

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Re the argonian maid. I could see that... I don't think it would make a good companion, if you have to figure out how to coax him to come every time you try to summon him when he isn't in Alinor, but as a side quest for a random character I could see something like that being hilarious.
Though, I could also see potential in it being a companion, where his summoning lines could be along the lines of 'you don't have that *shudder* book anywhere nearby do you?'

Maybe he would like to read The Lusty Argonian Footman instead (or any other variant there now is).