Golden pursuits?

Destai

EF321 wrote: »

Here's how it look in-game

Oh cool, thanks for sharing! Looks similar to Seals, which isn’t bad. I’m open to this system, seems promising. Will just need to see how truly rewarding it is and how close it is to the crown store.

FelisCatus

notyuu wrote: »

TBH it sounds like a battlepass

That's what I fear. I already am juggling battle passes with other games I cannot add another game to that grind. I'll have less of an issue if this is free and not a FOMO time limited thing.

AzuraFan

AzuraFan wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

Here's how it look in-game

Okay, so does that mean each time you complete one on the list (like you complete 5/5 quests), you get 1/8? If so, that's quite a bit to do in a week, depending on which ones you choose. On top of endeavors.

And given that what's required for endeavors has been inching up (used to be 20 WBs, now it's 30, used to be harvest 8 nodes, now it's 12, used to be 6 PD group events, now it's 10, etc.), I expect golden pursuits to inch up too.

In any event, I don't think I'll be able to do both this and endeavors, so I guess I'll have to choose based on what the rewards are for the pursuits.

ETA : Just noticed the scroll bar on the right. If I have to complete all of those activities to get the final reward (do a trial, do a battleground, etc.), then this system will be dead to me. I guess it depends on how many choices we get for the 0/8. If only 8, then just no.

jaws343

From first looks, it appears to almost be an expanded weekly endeavor, with less of a threshold for completion on each task.

From the ones shown here,
5 quests can be done almost immediately with crafting writs
Kill 50 humanoids is likely to get completed in a single dungeon or an ARC or so into IA
Refine materials 45 times can likely be done in a few seconds on logging in, assuming a player has refinable materials
Complete BG might 15 mins tops to do. Complete as well, so not even a need to win
Deal 100,000 damage in Trials can be done solo. Just drop AOEs on the first trash mob in any trial. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to complete at the absolute worst.

All in all, if they are all mostly like this, Golden Pursuits can probably be knocked out in under 30 mins total time a week, maybe an hour if you are having a hard time finding Humanoids (although Reapers March PD would be quick for this too).

AzuraFan

jaws343 wrote: »

From the ones shown here,
5 quests can be done almost immediately with crafting writs
Kill 50 humanoids is likely to get completed in a single dungeon or an ARC or so into IA
Refine materials 45 times can likely be done in a few seconds on logging in, assuming a player has refinable materials
Complete BG might 15 mins tops to do. Complete as well, so not even a need to win
Deal 100,000 damage in Trials can be done solo. Just drop AOEs on the first trash mob in any trial. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to complete at the absolute worst.

You're missing three if you want the capstone reward. The other requirements aren't shown in the screenshot (see the scroll bar on the right).

Still, even if it takes an hour, that's an hour that I now spend doing other things in game, and it means I have to do stuff I don't enjoy. With the endeavors, there's usually something for PvP, something for PvE, something for people who solo. That's not the case here.

So if I play about an hour a day (which is usually about what I play), then I already spend 1/7 hours doing weekly/daily endeavors - sometimes less, sometimes more. Now I would have to spend another hour doing golden pursuits. That would be almost 30% of my game time running around in ZOS's hamster wheel.

I guess I'll see how it's actually implemented, but if it's as it appears, I don't mind. It means I can ignore this and continue just doing endeavors.

EF321

jaws343 wrote: »

From first looks, it appears to almost be an expanded weekly endeavor, with less of a threshold for completion on each task.

From the ones shown here,
5 quests can be done almost immediately with crafting writs
Kill 50 humanoids is likely to get completed in a single dungeon or an ARC or so into IA
Refine materials 45 times can likely be done in a few seconds on logging in, assuming a player has refinable materials
Complete BG might 15 mins tops to do. Complete as well, so not even a need to win
Deal 100,000 damage in Trials can be done solo. Just drop AOEs on the first trash mob in any trial. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to complete at the absolute worst.

All in all, if they are all mostly like this, Golden Pursuits can probably be knocked out in under 30 mins total time a week, maybe an hour if you are having a hard time finding Humanoids (although Reapers March PD would be quick for this too).

Here's all:

And reward mount:

JemadarofCaerSalis

I have some of the same concerns as AzuraFan.

I sort of hope that it is a bit more like endeavors where you have more than enough tasks to complete each day/week/whatever the cycle will be (seems like weekly?)

So, that if I don't feel like messing with battlegrounds (haven't touched them at all), I can make up by doing a different pursuit.

ApoAlaia

Not sure why they would make a requirement to complete an activity that they market as 'high octane competitive gameplay'.

I am only going to join the BG queue in offline mode so I am not distracted by the imprecations hurled at me by the accidental team mates that I am inflicted upon while I parsimoniously stroll around untill killed.

AzuraFan

EF321 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

From first looks, it appears to almost be an expanded weekly endeavor, with less of a threshold for completion on each task.

From the ones shown here,
5 quests can be done almost immediately with crafting writs
Kill 50 humanoids is likely to get completed in a single dungeon or an ARC or so into IA
Refine materials 45 times can likely be done in a few seconds on logging in, assuming a player has refinable materials
Complete BG might 15 mins tops to do. Complete as well, so not even a need to win
Deal 100,000 damage in Trials can be done solo. Just drop AOEs on the first trash mob in any trial. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to complete at the absolute worst.

All in all, if they are all mostly like this, Golden Pursuits can probably be knocked out in under 30 mins total time a week, maybe an hour if you are having a hard time finding Humanoids (although Reapers March PD would be quick for this too).

Here's all:

Okay, that looks a *lot* better. Variety, and a lot of them don't take very long. Thanks for posting the complete list.

ETA: Also, looking at the rewards, I'd only want the crates, so I'd only have to do 2/8 that week. So I guess that's a factor as well. There will be times (maybe many times) when I don't care about the capstone reward.

JemadarofCaerSalis

AzuraFan wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

From first looks, it appears to almost be an expanded weekly endeavor, with less of a threshold for completion on each task.

From the ones shown here,
5 quests can be done almost immediately with crafting writs
Kill 50 humanoids is likely to get completed in a single dungeon or an ARC or so into IA
Refine materials 45 times can likely be done in a few seconds on logging in, assuming a player has refinable materials
Complete BG might 15 mins tops to do. Complete as well, so not even a need to win
Deal 100,000 damage in Trials can be done solo. Just drop AOEs on the first trash mob in any trial. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to complete at the absolute worst.

All in all, if they are all mostly like this, Golden Pursuits can probably be knocked out in under 30 mins total time a week, maybe an hour if you are having a hard time finding Humanoids (although Reapers March PD would be quick for this too).

Here's all:

Okay, that looks a *lot* better. Variety, and a lot of them don't take very long. Thanks for posting the complete list.

Also want to say thanks, because that is very nice.

On that list, I can see about 9 that I could do with no issues, maybe 10 if I want to get out a training dummy or find one in a guildmates house.

jaws343

EF321 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

From first looks, it appears to almost be an expanded weekly endeavor, with less of a threshold for completion on each task.

From the ones shown here,
5 quests can be done almost immediately with crafting writs
Kill 50 humanoids is likely to get completed in a single dungeon or an ARC or so into IA
Refine materials 45 times can likely be done in a few seconds on logging in, assuming a player has refinable materials
Complete BG might 15 mins tops to do. Complete as well, so not even a need to win
Deal 100,000 damage in Trials can be done solo. Just drop AOEs on the first trash mob in any trial. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to complete at the absolute worst.

All in all, if they are all mostly like this, Golden Pursuits can probably be knocked out in under 30 mins total time a week, maybe an hour if you are having a hard time finding Humanoids (although Reapers March PD would be quick for this too).

Here's all:

And reward mount:

Yeah, with that full list, I imagine I am going to accidentally complete these on day one just doing a dungeon, writs, and IA. Seems fairly reasonable.

Luke_Flamesword

Looks cool, I hope they will keep broad goals to give some freedom of choice (for example - goal forces me to go to dungeon or trial, but not specific one, so I can choose which one I prefer). I wonder how much time it will be (8 days like in PTS?).

If someone is testing it - I have a question. Some of these goals have additional rewards (for example - crate in BGS goal). Is this possible to earn that reward if you will complete 8 different task earlier or it will lock like Endavours? I hope that they will remain open, because micromanaging strategy which activites to do and which not to not miss anything sounds like nightmare. It will be easy to complete many of these task by just playing game and missing a crate because you refined some material sucks...

EF321

You are not locked out of rewards if you complete other tasks before tasks with extras rewards:



Also on PTS forums Kevin calls these tasks "Test campaign", so on live these might be different...

Luke_Flamesword

Oh, that's great - thanks for testing!

Lugaldu

It looks interesting, especially if you actually have the choice of what tasks you can do (and that you can also ignore PvP and Trials).
But I'm still wondering - why are we getting this activity (after Endeavors were introduced for strategic reasons to secure crown crates)? It's basically the same as Endeavors, only more extensive and there are enough "occupation therapies" in the game anyway.

SilverBride

I am dreading this rather than looking forward to it. It's already bad enough with constant events, most of which I stopped doing anyway because it's just too much.

I want some time to actually play through the story. I have 3 characters that still haven't completed many zones and I really enjoy questing. I don't need constant distractions.

I also don't need another currency and rewards. I have so many seals now and little I care about to spend them on. What do I need with more?

Please... let's just get back to the game.

Buffy121

I think it will be a nice addition to the game.

Luke_Flamesword

Please... let's just get back to the game.

Well, you can complete 5 tasks from this list just by doing questing (if you harvest some materials on your way) and another 3 for mount it will take less than 30 minutes at most so I don't see a problem here. Especially that this is not Endavours - there will no daily tasks and Golden Pursuits won't be every week (it may be once a month or even less often). We are getting what most players complains in previous years - ways to get more attractive ingame rewards and that's great.

There are many people who spent a lot of time in game and need some activities to do. If you personally don't have time or need to play more, don't call for cuting content only because you personally don't need it. Especially that's really not a big grind for 20-30 hours monthly like in some other games. At PTS there are really reasonable tasks and most of them can completed by just playing game (do quest, kill foes, use ultimate, refine materials, etc.)

zaria

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I have some of the same concerns as AzuraFan.

I sort of hope that it is a bit more like endeavors where you have more than enough tasks to complete each day/week/whatever the cycle will be (seems like weekly?)

So, that if I don't feel like messing with battlegrounds (haven't touched them at all), I can make up by doing a different pursuit.

If you see the above post its 12 actions, 8 gives the end reward. You can also do more than 8, say you do 8 and you then do an battleground and get the crown crate, this is nice as with endeavors and some had higher reward you wanted to be sure to do that one.

Ilumia

I mean, I don't hate good rewards, but I resent fomo content.

Just please focus on making good content with good rewards and I'll play the game for the sake of my entertainment - jeez!

Ilumia

Since it seems zos absolutely insists on this kinda stuff, here's a few things to make it tolerable.
Please make the time to do theese activities nice and long, so we're not chained to the game when we should be studying (yes, I actually love the game and can't keep away, but I want my gametime to feel good and not full of chores). It's just nicer when some of the tasks get done through organically playing the game.

Do not diminish rewards and increase amount of tasks/time they take, over the years like most other fomo system in the game.

Pelanora

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Not sure why they would make a requirement to complete an activity that they market as 'high octane competitive gameplay'.

I am only going to join the BG queue in offline mode so I am not distracted by the imprecations hurled at me by the accidental team mates that I am inflicted upon while I parsimoniously stroll around untill killed.

Oh lol I thought you were talking about the card game 😉

Pelanora

SilverBride wrote: »

I am dreading this rather than looking forward to it. It's already bad enough with constant events, most of which I stopped doing anyway because it's just too much.

I want some time to actually play through the story. I have 3 characters that still haven't completed many zones and I really enjoy questing. I don't need constant distractions.

I also don't need another currency and rewards. I have so many seals now and little I care about to spend them on. What do I need with more?

Please... let's just get back to the game.

But you don't have to do what you don't want to do. It's not a tax you have to pay.

FelisCatus

Pelanora wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I am dreading this rather than looking forward to it. It's already bad enough with constant events, most of which I stopped doing anyway because it's just too much.

I want some time to actually play through the story. I have 3 characters that still haven't completed many zones and I really enjoy questing. I don't need constant distractions.

I also don't need another currency and rewards. I have so many seals now and little I care about to spend them on. What do I need with more?

Please... let's just get back to the game.

But you don't have to do what you don't want to do. It's not a tax you have to pay.

Never heard of FOMO?

DenverRalphy

FelisCatus wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I am dreading this rather than looking forward to it. It's already bad enough with constant events, most of which I stopped doing anyway because it's just too much.

I want some time to actually play through the story. I have 3 characters that still haven't completed many zones and I really enjoy questing. I don't need constant distractions.

I also don't need another currency and rewards. I have so many seals now and little I care about to spend them on. What do I need with more?

Please... let's just get back to the game.

But you don't have to do what you don't want to do. It's not a tax you have to pay.

Never heard of FOMO?

I've heard of it. It's that self inflicted player created dilema that is all too often blamed upon the game and its evil overlords.

The content is optional. It's up to you as the player as to whether the rewards are worth the effort or not. If it's obviously so much of a chore that it would be a detriment to your gaming experience, you're freely welcome to not do it.

It's kinda funny now that I think about it. Before Golden Pursuits became public knowledge, everybody was screaming about how something needs to be done about the incredibly horrible RNG implementation, and how something, anything, had to be done to remove the RNG aspect of acquiring quality rewards. And here we are. A rather good concept to do exactly that. And now players want to moan that they have to go out of their way to earn those rewards?

alpha_synuclein

Those look rather painless. I'll probably complete at least half by playing as always.

TaSheen

Whatever is there that I complete by just playing as normal is what I get. If that's zero, fine. I don't chase anything and I don't do FOMO. The fact that I had 16000 SoE on two accounts for the (slightly goofy but lovable) senche-raht radiant was totally accidental - and those two are accounts that's I'd spent almost no SoE on since endeavors landed however long ago.

AzuraFan

SilverBride wrote: »

I am dreading this rather than looking forward to it. It's already bad enough with constant events, most of which I stopped doing anyway because it's just too much.

I want some time to actually play through the story. I have 3 characters that still haven't completed many zones and I really enjoy questing. I don't need constant distractions.

I also don't need another currency and rewards. I have so many seals now and little I care about to spend them on. What do I need with more?

Please... let's just get back to the game.

I think this will actually cure me of FOMO. Depending on what's required, it just won't be possible for me to do it all. As I mentioned before, the endeavors are creeping up in requirements, and I expect golden pursuits to as well. The good news for me is that I have all the mounts, non-combat pets, and cosmetics I need, so I expect I won't be interested in many of the rewards.

I think I'll focus on the endeavors because I can choose what I buy. Sure, there will be times when I naturally complete some of the pursuits, but I just don't have the time or desire to make them part of my usual ESO gaming routine. As you said, I want to do what I want to do. The pursuits are optional, like all these systems.

jcaceresw

EF321 wrote: »

Here's how it look in-game

Looks interesting. It seems to be weekly according to the timer above. What about they merge it with endeavors? There are 8 tasks that do not give anything special. Since it's 36 seals per day plus 240 per week they could make these tasks to give us 100 seals considering you can only complete 8 tasks out of 12 (three of them have special rewards aside of the milestone ones). They could also change that amount for special occasions like they do for specific in-game events or DLC giveaways.

TaSheen

See, here's the deal: things like endeavors and pursuits don't require much effort on the part of staff. Real content for the game does.

I think it's pretty obvious the direction things are trending.