Wayshrine recall should be disabled when you have a bounty.

Syldras · September 3

ESO_player123 wrote: »

How about carrying 10 bridges in the inventory or storing cheese next to some slime in there and then eating that same cheese without any consequences?

In a more complex game, you'd have to carry empty vials to collect things like water, slime or other (semi-)liquid alchemy ingredients. And the inventory would indeed take the weight and size of objects into consideration (ever played the first Deus Ex game? You basically had to play tetris with your inventory - stacking everything the most effective way). The whole housing and furniture system would have to be set up differently too, of course, maybe with furniture being stored in a "warehouse" and you only carry a collection slip on you (if it's weight 0, it would even be better than it is right now

).

There are many things that could be done differently or in a more elaborate way, but that would be a different game - and probably not an MMO.

Dahveed · September 3

I remember hearing a Gabe quote (the Steam guy) talking about "realism" in games... We don't actually want "real" realism (i.e., taking an hour and a half to put on a suit of plate armour properly, having to pee and poop, having our character sink to the bottom of a river if we're wearing heavy armour), but some semblance of realism.

I think it's in the Rift, there's this one Pact camp that is "under siege" from an "undead army" or something, and you can literally see the skeletons within about a six second walk from the camp's wooden walls. (And I mean literally six seconds. You start to RP walk from the main gate, and six seconds later there is a group of 3 skeletons that you whack and kill instantly).

All within earshot of the guards, who just stand there and watch it happen.

This kind of nonsense absolutely destroys any kind of semblance of realism and immersion... much more than my craft bag does, or collecting furnishings. You can stretch your imagination to a certain extent (I dunno, maybe that couch in my inventory is just a receipt for the delivery of said couch?), but it's hard to do this when I'm fighting this supposed "undead army" right in front of the town gate while the guards watch and don't GAF.

Like I said, I could go on and on and on...

A great example of this kind of "semblance" is in the Witcher 3's open world, where I feel like I can explore for a while without seeing all kinds of bandits and enemies roam around every 22 feet... And their justice system is actually quite brutal, if I want to get back on topic. The game warns you that the guards are watching you fumble through someone else's crap. And if there are a few of them there and you try anyways, ooooooh boy watch out!

ESO_player123 · September 3

Syldras wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

How about carrying 10 bridges in the inventory or storing cheese next to some slime in there and then eating that same cheese without any consequences?

In a more complex game, you'd have to carry empty vials to collect things like water, slime or other (semi-)liquid alchemy ingredients. And the inventory would indeed take the weight and size of objects into consideration (ever played the first Deus Ex game? You basically had to play tetris with your inventory - stacking everything the most effective way). The whole housing and furniture system would have to be set up differently too, of course, maybe with furniture being stored in a "warehouse" and you only carry a collection slip on you (if it's weight 0, it would even be better than it is right now ).

There are many things that could be done differently or in a more elaborate way, but that would be a different game - and probably not an MMO.

I played an MMO (Runescape) where you would need empty vials to make potions, and you could make sips out of them. And you would end up with a 1/2 or 1/4 full bottles (until at some point they allowed to combine them together). That was fun managing with a limited inventory.

I also played another MMO when you could become over encumbered AND gold had weight (though you could change it to banknotes by buying them from a vendor). Also, until they changed that (made money weightless) to everyone's delight.

So, realism is good up to a certain point. And if something is not really realistic, I chalk it up to magic and to what makes sense to have in a game that is supposed to be fun (not an emulation of hardships in RL).

valenwood_vegan · September 3

I'm personally glad that the devs aren't spending the tiny amount of resources that seem to be left turning this into a realism simulator.

N00BxV1 · September 3

I liked the game better before it got the Justice System. And I especially don't like how some skills are now labeled Criminal Acts.

So IMO we don't need even more meaningless annoyances while playing the game.

katanagirl1 · September 3

Why not be able to use the wayshrines? My thief has to actually walk up to a guard and run right in front of him to be seen.

Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood are part of the game, we are just playing the game, what is wrong with that?

Hapexamendios · September 3

If you want to play that way, fine, but don't impose it on others.

Erickson9610 · September 3

N00BxV1 wrote: »

I liked the game better before it got the Justice System. And I especially don't like how some skills are now labeled Criminal Acts.

So IMO we don't need even more meaningless annoyances while playing the game.

I agree with this. I can't duel people in certain towns with certain Werewolf/Vampire/Necromancer abilities because the guards will get mad. When I duel someone, I don't do it for roleplaying purposes — so it's nothing but an inconvenience to have a guard 2v1 me in the middle of my duel.

Syldras · September 3

A fun challenge for some is an annoyance for others. Some people enjoy Skyrim mods where you have to eat, drink, sleep and bathe regularly as well as consider the weather and temperature to survive. Others are glad their hero doesn't have to spend a single thought about these things. In the end, tastes differ and everyone draws the line between "fun and challenging" and "bothersome" differently. It will always be like that.

I have no problem with a limited inventory in some rpgs. For ESO, I think it wouldn't work well. Too many different items.

What I'd like would be slightly less ridiculous riddles. The way they currently are... they could as well remove them. I would have no problem, btw, with giving players an option to skip them if they are generally made harder.

mdjessup4906 · September 3

Things like this or the illegal skills thing would be great as a toggle. I thought my necro getting tbagd by a gaurd evert time I accidentally hit my ult in town funny, but it gets old after awhile.

If I couldn't port every time I accidentally hit e on some merchants trash pot, I'd probably quit the game.

RavennShadowheart · September 4

Ooof that suggestion would severely cripple my main as my bounty is currently 28 million. Used to be 37 million but i took a break… yeah i wouldnt want my wayshrine ability disabled.

Myrnhiel · September 4

Dahveed wrote: »

A great example of this kind of "semblance" is in the Witcher 3's open world, where I feel like I can explore for a while without seeing all kinds of bandits and enemies roam around every 22 feet... And their justice system is actually quite brutal, if I want to get back on topic. The game warns you that the guards are watching you fumble through someone else's crap. And if there are a few of them there and you try anyways, ooooooh boy watch out!

Well, Geralt just runs away until the guards don't follow him anymore. Then he returns and restarts looting at the very same spot under the nose of the very same guards who don't seem to recall that just one minute ago they chased him for looting.

Uhm, I don't think that's very realistic either...

ESO_player123 · September 4

RavennShadowheart wrote: »

Ooof that suggestion would severely cripple my main as my bounty is currently 28 million. Used to be 37 million but i took a break… yeah i wouldnt want my wayshrine ability disabled.

How much time did it take to accumulate it?

RavennShadowheart · September 4

ESO_player123 wrote: »

RavennShadowheart wrote: »

Ooof that suggestion would severely cripple my main as my bounty is currently 28 million. Used to be 37 million but i took a break… yeah i wouldnt want my wayshrine ability disabled.

How much time did it take to accumulate it?

Several years of gold/rare furnishing plan farming on npcs should do the trick

DinoZavr · September 4

It should not. restricting teleports causes a lot more troubles for player.
as there are not just wayshrine teleporations, but teleporting home, teleporting to a player,
being summoned to bg, queued and teleported to PVP areas.. crippling down all of these methods
will be too much annoying for players and not worth the candle.

Artim_X · September 4

The bounty system is primarily a roleplay system. The player essentially decides if they want opt into the RP. It's your choice to teleport out or try to out maneuver the guards.

LalMirchi · September 4

Dahveed wrote: »

Yeah.

I could go on a separate rant about the bounty system, IMO it doesn't feel "consequential" enough if you get caught, and there are too many pardon edicts lying about even if you do mess up (I always have several of them in my inventory even though I never search for them...).

But at the very least I shouldn't be able to just magically disappear from a city if they just caught me murdering someone. At the very least I should need to put in the effort require to sneak away or make a run for it. It would raise the stakes at least a little bit.

/shrug

This is a optional escape route, you don't have to use it if you want to play harder. Disabling wayshrine use for all players to suit your own preferences is not a good suggestion. Respectfully, no thank you.

Syldras · September 4

Artim_X wrote: »

The bounty system is primarily a roleplay system.

How is it different to other game mechanics? You will get a bounty and the guards will chase you, whether you want it or not. You can use a pardon edict or a disguise, run away or teleport away, but I don't see how this is "opting in" or "opting out" (also, if your character uses an edict or a travel spell to get away, that's roleplay too, strictly seen).

xclassgaming · September 4

No.

Artim_X · September 4

Syldras wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

The bounty system is primarily a roleplay system.

How is it different to other game mechanics? You will get a bounty and the guards will chase you, whether you want it or not. You can use a pardon edict or a disguise, run away or teleport away, but I don't see how this is "opting in" or "opting out" (also, if your character uses an edict or a travel spell to get away, that's roleplay too, strictly seen).

What I mean is the bounty system isn't meant to be a genuine source of inconvenience unless you play in a way to make it more difficult for yourself (no teleporting away, no invisibility, no paying your way out, no persuading guards to just give you a warning, etc.).

Perhaps my original phrasing was not the best choice of words. Roleplay at the end of the day is subjective. In the context of the OP, teleporting away is viewed as cheating the premise of having a bounty system. Of course, someone else might roleplay a sneaky witch or a conniving wizard. In that case, teleporting away after committing a crime is a logical part of their roleplay. To each their own.

El_Borracho · September 4

"Let's make the bounty system really annoying by disabling fast travel in a game where you can get a bounty by accidentally stealing something when trying to interact with an object or NPC."

No. Thank. You.

JemadarofCaerSalis · September 4

Syldras wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

How about carrying 10 bridges in the inventory or storing cheese next to some slime in there and then eating that same cheese without any consequences?

In a more complex game, you'd have to carry empty vials to collect things like water, slime or other (semi-)liquid alchemy ingredients. And the inventory would indeed take the weight and size of objects into consideration (ever played the first Deus Ex game? You basically had to play tetris with your inventory - stacking everything the most effective way). The whole housing and furniture system would have to be set up differently too, of course, maybe with furniture being stored in a "warehouse" and you only carry a collection slip on you (if it's weight 0, it would even be better than it is right now ).

There are many things that could be done differently or in a more elaborate way, but that would be a different game - and probably not an MMO.

Having played the first deus ex game, and many many games with a weight system and not a slot system, I either prefer what ESO has now, if I can't cheat, or a game where I can cheat and get rid of weight requirements altogether.

I well remember playing tetris with inventory, dumping things out, picking them up again to try to get them into an organized way.

Inventory management is not my favorite part of games.

Syldras · September 4

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Having played the first deus ex game, and many many games with a weight system and not a slot system, I either prefer what ESO has now, if I can't cheat, or a game where I can cheat and get rid of weight requirements altogether.
I well remember playing tetris with inventory, dumping things out, picking them up again to try to get them into an organized way.
Inventory management is not my favorite part of games.

I have no preference when it comes to that, but think it has to fit the type of game - and also that it has an influence both on the playstyle and the atmosphere. It's a difference if the game is about collecting big amounts of loot, or if it's mostly about keeping the most useful things and throwing out the old in the process. What's certain is that ESO is not designed for a very small inventory, with all its different crafting materials alone.

JemadarofCaerSalis · September 4

Syldras wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Having played the first deus ex game, and many many games with a weight system and not a slot system, I either prefer what ESO has now, if I can't cheat, or a game where I can cheat and get rid of weight requirements altogether.
I well remember playing tetris with inventory, dumping things out, picking them up again to try to get them into an organized way.
Inventory management is not my favorite part of games.

I have no preference when it comes to that, but think it has to fit the type of game - and also that it has an influence both on the playstyle and the atmosphere. It's a difference if the game is about collecting big amounts of loot, or if it's mostly about keeping the most useful things and throwing out the old in the process. What's certain is that ESO is not designed for a very small inventory, with all its different crafting materials alone.

To me, it honestly depends on HOW much stuff there is to collect.

If it is like morrowind with hundreds of items, then inventory management, unless I am playing a game about inventory management, is not fun, no matter how realistic it might be.

If it is a game with few items, where most things will be useful, then I am more willing to go 'well, I never use this item, so out it goes', but I honestly just don't like inventory management

I don't mind some realism in games, but it has to add to the game, and not just add difficulty for the same of difficulty.