Kinda Surprised this board is not FILLED with Update 44 PVP makeover Chatter

ElderSmitter

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

Soarora

We don't know what it will entail and are unable to talk about rumors. No reason to get hopes up especially when this current update was such a disappointment.

React

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

Sleepsin

The past is an indication of the future. Whatever new PvP thing that is planned has a huge probability of being lame. Otherwise, ZOS would be dropping hints.

TaSheen

"Complete makeover"? I'm not sure that's what I've heard about this next update....

DragonRacer

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

Wow, if it’s truly mostly BG-related, they had better fix the glitch that can lock accounts out of ESO (with server maintenance being the only fix for that, apparently) or else it’s an entirely useless update. I know of at least two guilds on PS NA who won’t touch BGs again after what happened to several of us, a few during Whitestrake’s Mayhem (and got locked out for 4-5 days) and me just last week!

Vogtard

DragonRacer wrote: »

Wow, if it’s truly mostly BG-related

It is - Gina said "battleground-related updates" although there's the mysterious "and more" too
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularGracefulSwordHotPokket-eF9vykxmrIKWBL4t

kargen27

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

more areas for open world PvP would be devastating to PvP. There isn't the population to support more areas. The population isn't going to increase enough for another area to make sense until performance issues are taken care of.

Syiccal

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.

MJallday

this will be a BG update... which i can only describe from a personal perspective as "underwhelming"

BG's is full of small ball teams and specialist builds that 1 bang you . - highly unfun . cant see that changing.

emilyhyoyeon

wow I didn't know anything about the PVP news so when I read this title my mind immediately went to character visual makeover feature like maybe a rework of appearance changes, hair color pack, etc etc so now I'm sad lol

OnnuK

Soarora wrote: »

We don't know what it will entail and are unable to talk about rumors. No reason to get hopes up especially when this current update was such a disappointment.

+1

We cannot speculate here and honestly I have no more hype left for long waited (since 2017) PvP update. I fear it will be like housing update. This awesome game has a huge potential but it is ...

Aurielle

Since it’s likely Battlegrounds-related, I really don’t care. BGs take way too long to launch, BGs often launch imbalanced (one team with 2-3 versus two full teams of four), I can’t select Deathmatch only and have to play modes I hate like Capture the Relic, and there is a rare BG-related bug that locks people out of their accounts until the next maintenance.

GuuMoonRyoung

TaSheen wrote: »

"Complete makeover"? I'm not sure that's what I've heard about this next update....

Right? I read OP's post and like, "What? Complete makeover? Where did that come from?"...

DragonRacer

Aurielle wrote: »

Since it’s likely Battlegrounds-related, I really don’t care. BGs take way too long to launch, BGs often launch imbalanced (one team with 2-3 versus two full teams of four), I can’t select Deathmatch only and have to play modes I hate like Capture the Relic, and there is a rare BG-related bug that locks people out of their accounts until the next maintenance.

I hate to be bitter, but maybe half the remaining PvP population getting locked out of ESO entirely the day that patch drops - with no hope of playing again until the next server maintenance two weeks later - would actually get the issue some attention.

I'm still a week of waiting for someone to confirm if my toon is even safe to attempt logging into and zero about everything I missed in-game during my lockout. Pretty sure my follow-up emails to keep my ticket open are going into a spam folder.

Aurielle

DragonRacer wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Since it’s likely Battlegrounds-related, I really don’t care. BGs take way too long to launch, BGs often launch imbalanced (one team with 2-3 versus two full teams of four), I can’t select Deathmatch only and have to play modes I hate like Capture the Relic, and there is a rare BG-related bug that locks people out of their accounts until the next maintenance.

I hate to be bitter, but maybe half the remaining PvP population getting locked out of ESO entirely the day that patch drops - with no hope of playing again until the next server maintenance two weeks later - would actually get the issue some attention.

I'm still a week of waiting for someone to confirm if my toon is even safe to attempt logging into and zero about everything I missed in-game during my lockout. Pretty sure my follow-up emails to keep my ticket open are going into a spam folder.

It's completely unacceptable that you're still locked out and still have no information regarding compensation. I can guarantee you that if this was a bug affecting PVEers queuing into dungeons, it would be a major priority that would be hotfixed ASAP.

Four_Fingers

You people and your bitterness towards "ball groups" which are called "teams" in any other PvP multiplayer game.
I hope they add a single player PvP arena, but the solos will still want to dominate the group areas as well.
They should never have mixed solo and group PvP play as of course that is imbalanced.

Aurielle

Four_Fingers wrote: »

You people and your bitterness towards "ball groups" which are called "teams" in any other PvP multiplayer game.
I hope they add a single player PvP arena, but the solos will still want to dominate the group areas as well.
They should never have mixed solo and group PvP play as of course that is imbalanced.

What makes a ball group a “ball group” is the coordinated and often broken OP nature of the build. Other multiplayer games do not offer nearly the same amount of build variety that ESO does. Take other PVP games like Battlefield, COD, Battlefront, etc. — you have certain gun and class loadouts you can coordinate, but that’s often the extent of the build coordination. The team’s overall effectiveness in those games usually boils down to the skill of the individual players and the skill of the leader calling the shots. The composition? Not so much, because it’s not really a factor — not like it is in ESO.

As someone who has played in ball groups, individual skill and leader skill are both huge factors owing to success, to be sure, but let’s not for one moment kid ourselves that the build is not also doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Playing against another ball group of equal skill and similar composition is just exhausting and often feels pointless, because your pulls usually cannot overcome their heals — and vice versa. It’s more fun to play outnumbered against a massive zerg, because it’s a challenge, and because you also can still get those satisfying pops after a big pull.

A BG mode that boiled down to ball group versus ball group would be hugely unsatisfying to me, and I just wouldn’t do it. A larger scale Battlefield conquest-type objective-focused map, consisting of multiple four group teams versus other multiple four group teams, would be way more interesting to me.

TechMaybeHic

After 10 years of Cyrodiil where all the improvements seemed to fall flat, never really get my hopes up.

And when I hear its not Cyrodiil and BG related in stead, its like they focused on the least played part of the entire game. Im sure 15 people are excited somewhere

DragonRacer

Aurielle wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Since it’s likely Battlegrounds-related, I really don’t care. BGs take way too long to launch, BGs often launch imbalanced (one team with 2-3 versus two full teams of four), I can’t select Deathmatch only and have to play modes I hate like Capture the Relic, and there is a rare BG-related bug that locks people out of their accounts until the next maintenance.

I hate to be bitter, but maybe half the remaining PvP population getting locked out of ESO entirely the day that patch drops - with no hope of playing again until the next server maintenance two weeks later - would actually get the issue some attention.

I'm still a week of waiting for someone to confirm if my toon is even safe to attempt logging into and zero about everything I missed in-game during my lockout. Pretty sure my follow-up emails to keep my ticket open are going into a spam folder.

It's completely unacceptable that you're still locked out and still have no information regarding compensation. I can guarantee you that if this was a bug affecting PVEers queuing into dungeons, it would be a major priority that would be hotfixed ASAP.

Oh, the good news was the server maintenance did unlock my account. Not that anyone in support said anything - this hope came from other players who had encountered this issue (who support did actually answer) and then played out when the servers came back up.

But my remaining issue is the character who encountered the bug still shows that BG arena as his last location. I have asked for a week if he is safe to log into or not because I don’t want to get locked out again. No answer. Others who were locked out received compensation for time lost. Nobody is answering my question on that either. I’m not even asking for anything extra. I just want the daily login reward that is now locked for me and the 50 seals for closing an Oblivion Portal that everyone else had the chance to do while I was locked out.

No response.

But sure, let’s launch a big BG update. LOL

Aurielle

DragonRacer wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Since it’s likely Battlegrounds-related, I really don’t care. BGs take way too long to launch, BGs often launch imbalanced (one team with 2-3 versus two full teams of four), I can’t select Deathmatch only and have to play modes I hate like Capture the Relic, and there is a rare BG-related bug that locks people out of their accounts until the next maintenance.

I hate to be bitter, but maybe half the remaining PvP population getting locked out of ESO entirely the day that patch drops - with no hope of playing again until the next server maintenance two weeks later - would actually get the issue some attention.

I'm still a week of waiting for someone to confirm if my toon is even safe to attempt logging into and zero about everything I missed in-game during my lockout. Pretty sure my follow-up emails to keep my ticket open are going into a spam folder.

It's completely unacceptable that you're still locked out and still have no information regarding compensation. I can guarantee you that if this was a bug affecting PVEers queuing into dungeons, it would be a major priority that would be hotfixed ASAP.

Oh, the good news was the server maintenance did unlock my account. Not that anyone in support said anything - this hope came from other players who had encountered this issue (who support did actually answer) and then played out when the servers came back up.

But my remaining issue is the character who encountered the bug still shows that BG arena as his last location. I have asked for a week if he is safe to log into or not because I don’t want to get locked out again. No answer. Others who were locked out received compensation for time lost. Nobody is answering my question on that either. I’m not even asking for anything extra. I just want the daily login reward that is now locked for me and the 50 seals for closing an Oblivion Portal that everyone else had the chance to do while I was locked out.

No response.

But sure, let’s launch a big BG update. LOL

Ah, gotcha, I misunderstood -- at least you're back in game. But yeah, getting some confirmation from CS as to whether or not it's safe for you to log into that character again would be great, and the bare minimum. And if others received compensation for missed time due to a bug completely out of control, you should receive compensation as well.

Elsonso

Vogtard wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

Wow, if it’s truly mostly BG-related

It is - Gina said "battleground-related updates" although there's the mysterious "and more" too
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularGracefulSwordHotPokket-eF9vykxmrIKWBL4t

The "and more" likely refers to the new companions.

In a few days, ZOS will tell us about some ESO Live where they will announce their grand PVP plans. They aren't exactly firing on all cylinders this year, so I expect that it will be received with a mix of disinterest and scorn. We'll see.

CameraBeardThePirate

Syiccal wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.

IC shows you can have open world PvP without lag. You just need to split up the area into smaller instances so you don't have all the players focused in one spot.

TechMaybeHic

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.

IC shows you can have open world PvP without lag. You just need to split up the area into smaller instances so you don't have all the players focused in one spot.

And have very few people play in it?

Now that I think about it, I made fun of BGs being the least played game mode, but it might be IC

Elsonso

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.

IC shows you can have open world PvP without lag. You just need to split up the area into smaller instances so you don't have all the players focused in one spot.

And have very few people play in it?

Now that I think about it, I made fun of BGs being the least played game mode, but it might be IC

I think TelVar is the boon and bane of IC. On the one hand, the opportunity to gain TelVar from other players is attractive to upper tier players. Conversely, the risk of losing them is a turnoff for lower tier players. It creates a predatory environment where skilled players constantly shake down less skilled players for their lunch money.

The concept of IC is interesting, but I think TelVar is holding it back.

Bluestin

Unfortunate to hear that it's BG focused; I don't engage with Battlegrounds at all, I prefer the open sand-boxy Cyrodiil. Similar to Guild Wars 2 WvW where I don't play its "SPvP" mode.

For me Cyrodiil (outside of current balancing issues) has the variety of gameplay I enjoy between open world skirmishes that can be 1v1, Xv1, etc and fights over objectives that I can opt to engage or disengage with on my own rather than being forced into "Capture these 3 points on repeat"

CameraBeardThePirate

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.

IC shows you can have open world PvP without lag. You just need to split up the area into smaller instances so you don't have all the players focused in one spot.

And have very few people play in it?

Now that I think about it, I made fun of BGs being the least played game mode, but it might be IC

Cool, i never said anything about the pop of IC.

The point was that someone stated BGs are the only sensible option because of lag, while IC proves that you can have open world PvP without lag. Even during the IC event when IC is pop locked, there's little to no lag.

Orbital78

Hopefully it involves fixing the people flying around in Cyrodiil with God mode and lagging the severs out. it makes me glad I mostly one and done and don't take MMO PVP seriously.

React

kargen27 wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

more areas for open world PvP would be devastating to PvP. There isn't the population to support more areas. The population isn't going to increase enough for another area to make sense until performance issues are taken care of.

I disagree. If they designed a new area with different mechanics and incentives, perhaps in a format we don't have (FFA with a small group limit), it could be very successful. Especially if they do it in way that avoids the things which cause cyrodiil to perform so poorly (12 man group sizes, objectives that encourage everyone on the map being in the same spot at once, etc).

Alternatively, they could apply the same concepts to an overhaul/rework of IC.

They aren't going to fix the performance issues in cyrodiil. Stating that they "shouldn't do any new content until that is resolved" is the same thing as saying "they shouldn't do any new content". They've tried for years - it isn't going to happen. The best they can do at this point is design new content which avoids the primary causes of cyrodiil performance issues.

Elsonso wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.

IC shows you can have open world PvP without lag. You just need to split up the area into smaller instances so you don't have all the players focused in one spot.

And have very few people play in it?

Now that I think about it, I made fun of BGs being the least played game mode, but it might be IC

I think TelVar is the boon and bane of IC. On the one hand, the opportunity to gain TelVar from other players is attractive to upper tier players. Conversely, the risk of losing them is a turnoff for lower tier players. It creates a predatory environment where skilled players constantly shake down less skilled players for their lunch money.

The concept of IC is interesting, but I think TelVar is holding it back.

The lack of good incentives is holding it back. The risk/reward telvar system is excellent - it is perhaps the only content in the game which rewards high PVP skill.

The system has been abandoned since it's inception though, with only some small cosmetic rewards being added over the years, alongside a few (mostly useless) monster sets.

As I mentioned in my above reply to the other commenter, a massive overhaul to the mechanics & reward systems in IC would probably revitalize the content. It is a beautifully designed PVP zone with a variety of engaging environments and an interesting mix of PVE, it just needs a refresh to encourage people to engage with it.

Maybe the most redeeming quality is that IC basically does not lag - even during events with the instance full and 30-40 people in one district, it has almost no performance issues whatsoever.

tomofhyrule

React wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

React wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!

Go ZOS!!

It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.

Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.

more areas for open world PvP would be devastating to PvP. There isn't the population to support more areas. The population isn't going to increase enough for another area to make sense until performance issues are taken care of.

I disagree. If they designed a new area with different mechanics and incentives, perhaps in a format we don't have (FFA with a small group limit), it could be very successful. Especially if they do it in way that avoids the things which cause cyrodiil to perform so poorly (12 man group sizes, objectives that encourage everyone on the map being in the same spot at once, etc).

Alternatively, they could apply the same concepts to an overhaul/rework of IC.

They aren't going to fix the performance issues in cyrodiil. Stating that they "shouldn't do any new content until that is resolved" is the same thing as saying "they shouldn't do any new content". They've tried for years - it isn't going to happen. The best they can do at this point is design new content which avoids the primary causes of cyrodiil performance issues.

I think the point that they're trying to make - which is a fear I have - is that adding a new PvP mode will be the death sentence for other PvP modes.

Imagine if there were 100 PvP players and currently 70 of them main Cyrodiil, and then 15 each in IC and BGs. What happens when a new mode gets added? A lot of people seem to be under the impression that the new mode would have some population that will spring into existence, but time and time again, this forum has proven that the vast majority of casual and PvE players want nothing to do with PvP. That means that unless you can scoop players from other games, the playerbase for the new modes will come from the existing PvP modes.

So lets say that the new mode stabilizes at 25 players of our hypothetical 100. If this is a BG-esque group v group thing, we might not get too many IC mains to swap over and the AvA will be mostly untouched, so we can probably assume we still have like 12 ICers and 62 people in Cyro. So 25 in the new mode + 12 in IC + 62 in Cyro = 99 people in modes that aren't the standard BGs.

Sucks to be that one, amirite?

Yes, that's all hypothetical and these numbers came right out of my nether regions. But still, the fact that we have people complaining that IC and BGs are severely underpopulated means that doing something to reduce those populations is not going to be healthy for those modes. And one of Cyro's major problems with the population is that most of the Cyro population is trying to get into a single campaign, leaving the other campaigns with the same issues of no people to play them (and paradoxically interminable queues for GH since people would rather sit in queue for hours than bother with one of the underpopulated campaigns).

ZOS is in a bind here. They could either not add a new mode (and turn off the PvP community) or add a new mode thereby spreading the small community out further and making all of the PvP modes less populated (and turning off the PvP community).

I guess this is technically a blessing for the "give us a PvE version of cyro/IC" crowd though. If they add a new PvP mode that's actual PvP, that means the week or so it's new will have the PvP community trying to get into the new mode, which means Cyro and IC are gonna be totally empty for those who want to do their PvE stuff in those zones without being bothered.

Estin

If they're not balancing battlegrounds with the update, I'm not really excited for it. 4v4v4 is pretty junk because often times your team is full of incompetent players who can't stick together, do damage, or stay alive while the other 2 teams move around like a tight knit group while sometimes having a healer. And then the very next game, your team is the one who has a healer and very tight knit while the 2 other teams are made up with people who can't play. Very rarely you get into a game that is balanced. I'm not sure if the new update will be 2 teams going forward and if it would fix the issue with balance