This pushing people into PVP is WRONG

GuuMoonRyoung · July 30

Araneae6537 wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

I feel that each event should have pvp and pve alternatives to earn tickets. I wish pvp and pve were different meta games, with different abilities, spells, gears and so on. If someone does not want to do pvp, they should not be forced into pvp, if someone does not want to pve, they should not be forced to do pve either. This is why I never enjoy pvp in any mmorpg.

Absolutely this! Every event should have both PvE and PvP elements, that way, there's something for everyone.

Or we just do the events that appeal to us? You don’t need all the tickets from every event even if you want all the collectibles. Do what you enjoy and go for the items that most appeal to you.

It is not about "need", if we are talking about "need", we don't need to play video games. Playing video games is luxury, a hobby, it is not a mandatory thing, everything related to video game is whimsical, and that is why we want to experience all the events. There is nothing wrong with catering to both pve and pvp crowd with events. Your argument is faulty, patronizing and unnecessary.

GuuMoonRyoung · July 30

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

ESO's marketing didn't fail. It worked on many types of PVP players who come from a background of playing PVP games.

All I am saying is, they had to change their entire business model to become profitable and they barely mention pvp in their promotions anymore, just look at the Gold Road marketing. If the original marketing did not fail, they would not have to change their business model, they would not have to change their marketing tactics.

Honestly, I found it funny how they mentioned pvp in gold road marketing materials. It was as if someone was hurrying them along from background like that Chappelle Show skit where they invent a "hurry it up!" honking machine for when they get bored and want people to hurry up and finish talking.

SerafinaWaterstar · July 30

As others have said, day before event starts, do all IC district quests on at least 2 characters.

You have to go up the ladder, get quest & then go back down ladder. Can get all quests safely.

I then start in Arboretum & work my way round anti clockwise, until Temple then head back down sewer (am AD) but you can use a recall stone.

Character then sits in home hub in sewers and hands in a quest a day.

Voila!

(That’s for IC; as I love Cyrodiil can’t give much advice except choose a campaign where the nearest town is your alliance - really, with a bit of planning it’s not hard 😁)

ESO_player123 · July 30

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

As others have said, day before event starts, do all IC district quests on at least 2 characters.

You have to go up the ladder, get quest & then go back down ladder. Can get all quests safely.

I then start in Arboretum & work my way round anti clockwise, until Temple then head back down sewer (am AD) but you can use a recall stone.

Character then sits in home hub in sewers and hands in a quest a day.

Voila!

(That’s for IC; as I love Cyrodiil can’t give much advice except choose a campaign where the nearest town is your alliance - really, with a bit of planning it’s not hard 😁)

I just go to Bruma on a toon that belongs to whatever alliance holds it. Works very well.

Grizzbeorn · July 30

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

As others have said, day before event starts, do all IC district quests on at least 2 characters.

You have to go up the ladder, get quest & then go back down ladder. Can get all quests safely.

I then start in Arboretum & work my way round anti clockwise, until Temple then head back down sewer (am AD) but you can use a recall stone.

Character then sits in home hub in sewers and hands in a quest a day.

Voila!

(That’s for IC; as I love Cyrodiil can’t give much advice except choose a campaign where the nearest town is your alliance - really, with a bit of planning it’s not hard 😁)

I just go to Bruma on a toon that belongs to whatever alliance holds it. Works very well.

I personally find Chorrol easier (read: faster) to get to, so I do that one most often during MYM, but I've also been doing Bruma and today, Cheydinhal, when they pop up as daily endeavors.

ESO_player123 · July 30

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

As others have said, day before event starts, do all IC district quests on at least 2 characters.

You have to go up the ladder, get quest & then go back down ladder. Can get all quests safely.

I then start in Arboretum & work my way round anti clockwise, until Temple then head back down sewer (am AD) but you can use a recall stone.

Character then sits in home hub in sewers and hands in a quest a day.

Voila!

(That’s for IC; as I love Cyrodiil can’t give much advice except choose a campaign where the nearest town is your alliance - really, with a bit of planning it’s not hard 😁)

I just go to Bruma on a toon that belongs to whatever alliance holds it. Works very well.

I personally find Chorrol easier (read: faster) to get to, so I do that one most often during MYM, but I've also been doing Bruma and today, Cheydinhal, when they pop up as daily endeavors.

Well, I do not go unless there is a direct way to teleport to Bruma via Transitus network. I'm that lazy. So, I'm just jumping through campaigns till I get the one I want. Also, I feel that quests in Bruma are easier - just abandon the ones that are further away and pick the one that is right in town or very close by.

DoofusMax · July 30

JimFord047 wrote: »

Best Part of an hour and a half, just to get A TICKET, in imperial city , I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, All I want is a Ticket.

But I am forced to be in there to get it... I have found out that if you stand still with your shield up, then MOST people will simply let you go on your way, or up and down crouch tried that it also worked...

But one player Menzo.....zan , nope , he just kills me, easy point for them, they not getting hit, so no damage, they are going around the daily area simply killing because they can, I went back in as AD, and asked to be allowed to do the daily, and they ignored that, i watched him kill off low level players, all trying to do the daily ... They are a waste of this effort. And because they are DELIBERATE in messing with people, their Comms are off, not that they care as proved by ignoring another one of their own faction.

This is Just WRONG !!!! want tickets , then suffer !!! have your day ruined by wasting your time!!

and They wonder why people lose their temper!!! this has to stop, give people options!

Got the ticket , and I am Off for the day... meant to be playing with friends tonight, that's a NO, had enough hassle for the day. I will have more extra drugs and read a book, more satisfying

Not sure how you're getting your tickets, but I popped in, grabbed a Scouting mission, did it, got my tickets, went back to normal stuff. In and out in 10 minutes or less; less, I think, since the objective was just up the road from a keep my alliance controlled. Didn't see any opposing alliance players, so maybe should have stuck around and farmed some dailies, but I had other irons in the fire.

xylena_lazarow · July 30

SilverBride wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.
No.

Forum PvChat is the true test.

SaffronCitrusflower · July 30

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

SilverBride · July 30

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.
No.

Forum PvChat is the true test.

I can't argue with that!

SilverBride · July 30

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

All of these activities use different skill sets. No one is any more THE true test of skill than another. Even furnishing houses is a skill because of the creativity and time that go into doing it well.

NordSwordnBoard · July 30

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. Opponents who can think and adapt in the moment are more challenging than repeating choreography until it's precise. These threads usually go kind of sideways, but we're at the point of comparing arranging furniture to end game trials lol.

SilverBride · July 30

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. Opponents who can think and adapt in the moment are more challenging than repeating choreography until it's precise. These threads usually go kind of sideways, but we're at the point of comparing arranging furniture to end game trials lol.

I didn't bring housing into the discussion... I just replied to it.

All of the examples given have very different skill sets and can't be compared to each other. It's apples and oranges.

GuuMoonRyoung · July 30

So those who are mentioning that there are other events that can make up for the loss of tickets, not all events are base game events. Some of them requires dlc, and last year, an event required Necrom, so this year, an event will definitely require Gold Road. So what happens if someone does not have dlc and chapter required for the event? Base game events are the ones we look forward to most and don't wanna miss. This is why events should have both PvP and PvE quests for tickets.

EdjeSwift · July 30

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

So those who are mentioning that there are other events that can make up for the loss of tickets, not all events are base game events. Some of them requires dlc, and last year, an event required Necrom, so this year, an event will definitely require Gold Road. So what happens if someone does not have dlc and chapter required for the event? Base game events are the ones we look forward to most and don't wanna miss. This is why events should have both PvP and PvE quests for tickets.

They already announced the Gold Road event is coming.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/662697/2024-q3-event-schedule-july-through-september

Aurielle · July 30

Scaletho wrote: »

JimFord047 wrote: »

Best Part of an hour and a half, just to get A TICKET, in imperial city , I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, All I want is a Ticket.

But I am forced to be in there to get it... I have found out that if you stand still with your shield up, then MOST people will simply let you go on your way, or up and down crouch tried that it also worked...

But one player Menzo.....zan , nope , he just kills me, easy point for them, they not getting hit, so no damage, they are going around the daily area simply killing because they can, I went back in as AD, and asked to be allowed to do the daily, and they ignored that, i watched him kill off low level players, all trying to do the daily ... They are a waste of this effort. And because they are DELIBERATE in messing with people, their Comms are off, not that they care as proved by ignoring another one of their own faction.

This is Just WRONG !!!! want tickets , then suffer !!! have your day ruined by wasting your time!!

and They wonder why people lose their temper!!! this has to stop, give people options!

Got the ticket , and I am Off for the day... meant to be playing with friends tonight, that's a NO, had enough hassle for the day. I will have more extra drugs and read a book, more satisfying

PVP is a disgrace but somehow ZOS think it is a wonderful experience. Even people who enjoy PVP knows that: ESO's pvp is dying.

That’s just your opinion. The many players logging into Cyrodiil every day, even outside of events, would suggest that what you are stating as fact is incorrect.

Elvenheart · July 30

JimFord047 wrote: »

lol, I did read, but the indrik was meant to be in the last event! it was not! so yes i see your point, , can you Guarantee that the next event will give me 40 tickets? and it will all go smoothly (I have in the past got things, only to wait a year to complete it! )

And Since I am 80% BLIND, the bold actually was appreciated, I could actually see that lmao, but i know what you're saying , I could pass here and take the risk of moons and planets aligning, and possibly / probably get it, but what do i miss from the next.... lol, not trying to be awkward , just going from 10 years of experience and life!

lol, I am also awaiting eye surgery , again , one more mess up and i probably get the other 20% blindness, at that point this is immaterial, because i won't be able to play any more or admire the collection lol

I’m sorry to hear about the vision problems and that you’re waiting another surgery. I really hope everything goes well for you.

Jaimeh · July 30

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

All of these activities use different skill sets. No one is any more THE true test of skill than another. Even furnishing houses is a skill because of the creativity and time that go into doing it well.

In the context this was mentioned in by the original comment, it very obviously referred to combat related skill, and yes, PvPing is a measure of it (as it requires physical dexterity, reflexes, environmental awareness, game combat knowledge, class, skill, and build knowledge, using terrain to your advantage and so on). Of course the game has a multitude of content that require different skills (even fishing which is otherwise a simple one button push requires the skill of patience) but traditionally MMOs with PvP relate knowing how to do combat well to skillful playstyle, no need to get pedantic about it.

AvalonRanger · July 31

Event ticket is not so important item, mostly for style sheet.
Just make it daily login bonus through the event period.

Then, no body complaining. ZOS should do that.

If ZOS can't gather enough player's interest against PVP contents by event,
then it's simply PVP game of ESO is inferior game contents.
(Actually say, ESO PVP is really bad game quality...)

It's not player 's problem. I don't want to waste my time for unnecessary
game for me.

LittlePinkDot · July 31

JimFord047 wrote: »

Best Part of an hour and a half, just to get A TICKET, in imperial city , I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, All I want is a Ticket.

But I am forced to be in there to get it... I have found out that if you stand still with your shield up, then MOST people will simply let you go on your way, or up and down crouch tried that it also worked...

But one player Menzo.....zan , nope , he just kills me, easy point for them, they not getting hit, so no damage, they are going around the daily area simply killing because they can, I went back in as AD, and asked to be allowed to do the daily, and they ignored that, i watched him kill off low level players, all trying to do the daily ... They are a waste of this effort. And because they are DELIBERATE in messing with people, their Comms are off, not that they care as proved by ignoring another one of their own faction.

This is Just WRONG !!!! want tickets , then suffer !!! have your day ruined by wasting your time!!

and They wonder why people lose their temper!!! this has to stop, give people options!

Got the ticket , and I am Off for the day... meant to be playing with friends tonight, that's a NO, had enough hassle for the day. I will have more extra drugs and read a book, more satisfying

It's the middle of the busiest PvP event of the whole year right now.. wait until it's over.
There's population caps in PvP, we don't need slots wasted on people that just want to be immune from PvP. If you enter a PvP area you are consenting.

sarahthes · July 31

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

All of these activities use different skill sets. No one is any more THE true test of skill than another. Even furnishing houses is a skill because of the creativity and time that go into doing it well.

Endgame raiding and PvP use very similar skill sets, but PvE is fighting against scripted events that are the same every time. PvP is fighting against other players, and knowing how to react to multiple different scenarios.

Typically, highly skilled PvPers have no problems coming into PvE endgame and playing at a very high level, but the reverse isn't always true.

Nharimlur_Finor · July 31

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sarahthes · July 31

LaintalAy wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

but we're at the point of comparing arranging furniture to end game trials lol.

Get used to it, because that's all there is now.

That's not really true. The endgame trials scene feels like it's almost recovered from Update 35. People just have moved around and aren't raiding in the discords they used to.

The One More Clash raid competition event (hosted by members of the raiding community, bitrock and Twerkules), had over 300 participants and was held at the same time as Midyear Mayhem. Participation this year was the biggest yet as far as I'm aware, with over 1b gold in prizes distributed between PC NA and EU (an EU team won, and 2 NA teams finished 2nd and 3rd; there were 23 teams total, and a lot more people signed up but were not drafted for one reason or another).

SilverBride · July 31

sarahthes wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

All of these activities use different skill sets. No one is any more THE true test of skill than another. Even furnishing houses is a skill because of the creativity and time that go into doing it well.

Endgame raiding and PvP use very similar skill sets, but PvE is fighting against scripted events that are the same every time. PvP is fighting against other players, and knowing how to react to multiple different scenarios.

Typically, highly skilled PvPers have no problems coming into PvE endgame and playing at a very high level, but the reverse isn't always true.

PvP and PvE are two very different activities with two very different skill sets and no one is any more of an indicator of skill in ESO than the other.

And my main PvE group content character does pretty good in battlegrounds, too so the reverse can also be true.

sarahthes · July 31

SilverBride wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

All of these activities use different skill sets. No one is any more THE true test of skill than another. Even furnishing houses is a skill because of the creativity and time that go into doing it well.

Endgame raiding and PvP use very similar skill sets, but PvE is fighting against scripted events that are the same every time. PvP is fighting against other players, and knowing how to react to multiple different scenarios.

Typically, highly skilled PvPers have no problems coming into PvE endgame and playing at a very high level, but the reverse isn't always true.

PvP and PvE are two very different activities with two very different skill sets and no one is any more of an indicator of skill in ESO than the other.

And my main PvE group content character does pretty good in battlegrounds, too so the reverse can also be true.

With all respect, you don't play at the level I do (based on what I've seen from your forum posts and the content you've cleared). At a high level, the skill set is the same, and the better you get, the more similar they become.

JustLovely · July 31

SilverBride wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

No.

Yes. PvP or possibly end game vet trials are the true test of skill in ESO. Furnishing 35 houses is a test of nothing.

All of these activities use different skill sets. No one is any more THE true test of skill than another. Even furnishing houses is a skill because of the creativity and time that go into doing it well.

Endgame raiding and PvP use very similar skill sets, but PvE is fighting against scripted events that are the same every time. PvP is fighting against other players, and knowing how to react to multiple different scenarios.

Typically, highly skilled PvPers have no problems coming into PvE endgame and playing at a very high level, but the reverse isn't always true.

PvP and PvE are two very different activities with two very different skill sets and no one is any more of an indicator of skill in ESO than the other.

And my main PvE group content character does pretty good in battlegrounds, too so the reverse can also be true.

You're trying to argue that playing house is as equally difficult as building a house. All it takes to play house is an imagination. It takes skill and experience to build a house. The level of difficulty is not even remotely the same.

SilverBride · July 31

JustLovely wrote: »

You're trying to argue that playing house is as equally difficult as building a house. All it takes to play house is an imagination. It takes skill and experience to build a house. The level of difficulty is not even remotely the same.

I am not arguing any such thing. I am saying that no, PvP isn't the true test of skill in ESO as was claimed in this post.

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

loosej · July 31

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

I agree with you but there is one thing I don't understand, why do people who look for pvp, don't play games specifically for pvp? There are many of them out there, like League of Legends, DoTA2, SMITE, Naraka Bladepoint and so on. Why look for pvp in mmorpg?

PvP is what turned me from a casual basegame quester into a paying customer. Summer mayhem from 2 years ago is when I first discovered Cyrodiil. Performance was horrible, but the fights were epic. The narrative at that time was "things are about to improve, there's new servers and a code rewrite on the way". It's the reason I started subscribing to eso+ and buying the new chapter on release.

ESO PvP (Cyrodiil), if and when it works, is the most fun PvP I've ever played, and none of the examples you provided come even close imo. But I'm not married to this game, and zos has shown time and time again that they'd rather not have a PvP community at all. The day a new game arrives that provides the same experience but without the heartache, I'm jumping ship and never looking back. But for now, this is what we've got.

JustLovely · July 31

SilverBride wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

You're trying to argue that playing house is as equally difficult as building a house. All it takes to play house is an imagination. It takes skill and experience to build a house. The level of difficulty is not even remotely the same.

I am not arguing any such thing. I am saying that no, PvP isn't the true test of skill in ESO as was claimed in this post.

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

Yes, you are.

Excelling at PvP is the true test of a players skill in ESO. A top tier PvP player can complete any content in the game and is welcome in end game PvE trials. Someone who just furnishes homes can't do anything other than furnish more homes. It takes imagination to do housing in ESO, but it takes zero skill or experience.

SilverBride · July 31

JustLovely wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

You're trying to argue that playing house is as equally difficult as building a house. All it takes to play house is an imagination. It takes skill and experience to build a house. The level of difficulty is not even remotely the same.

I am not arguing any such thing. I am saying that no, PvP isn't the true test of skill in ESO as was claimed in this post.

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

Yes, you are.

Excelling at PvP is the true test of a players skill in ESO. A top tier PvP player can complete any content in the game and is welcome in end game PvE trials. Someone who just furnishes homes can't do anything other than furnish more homes. It takes imagination to do housing in ESO, but it takes zero skill or experience.

I will never agree that PvP players are more skilled than those that PvE so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.