Can we get rid of Engine Guardian in PvP?

SandandStars · June 11

Can we please?

Foto1 · June 11

No

SandandStars · June 11

wow.

why do you want to keep it?

edward_frigidhands · June 11

SandandStars wrote: »

wow.

why do you want to keep it?

Well it's your idea. Why don't we start with you talking about it?

rauyran · June 11

SandandStars wrote: »

Can we please?

Why?

TybaltKaine · June 11

No Proc exists

Bashev · June 11

That is a so random request. My counter question is but why?

xylena_lazarow · June 11

Bashev wrote: »

That is a so random request. My counter question is but why?

Wild guess: a decade of targetable pets randomly body blocking you because tab target doesn't work properly in PvP... kinda getting old. EG itself is fine otherwise, please for the love of Sithis fix tab targeting in PvP.

ProudMary · June 11

SandandStars wrote: »

Can we please?

No. I agree it's super annoying, but .....

El_Borracho · June 11

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

That is a so random request. My counter question is but why?

Wild guess: a decade of targetable pets randomly body blocking you because tab target doesn't work properly in PvP... kinda getting old. EG itself is fine otherwise, please for the love of Sithis fix tab targeting in PvP.

Nah, instead they destroyed a perfectly fine set in Plaguebreak because it was "unfair" that the pets could proc it. The same pets which also seem to take damage every time you try to unleash one on your actual target.

NordSwordnBoard · June 11

Make it untargetable.

Iriidius · June 11

Engine guardian isn‘t even overpowered or used by many people. Some people use it for sustain because all other sustain monstersets are bad, Roksa isnt out that long and requires DLC and gives too low mag/stam regen. Hitting the NPC is annoying but gets overestimated. A change is not required, but if it was ZoS could just make it untargetable instrat of deleting it.
would be nice to have a stam+mag regen insteat of hp regen 1 piece.

El_Borracho wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

That is a so random request. My counter question is but why?

Wild guess: a decade of targetable pets randomly body blocking you because tab target doesn't work properly in PvP... kinda getting old. EG itself is fine otherwise, please for the love of Sithis fix tab targeting in PvP.

Nah, instead they destroyed a perfectly fine set in Plaguebreak because it was "unfair" that the pets could proc it. The same pets which also seem to take damage every time you try to unleash one on your actual target.

Plaguebreak was not nerfed because it could proc from player pets, the one or maybe 2 pets that a player has wouldn’t even do much dmg when it procs.
It was nerfed because of PvE. Players used plaguebreak to kill groups of adds in dungeons/trials/arenas/usw or kill the boss by killing nearby adds. Players were reaching 600k dps on dummy by placing a group of 320k dummys around a trial dummy than oneshotting the trial dummy with plaguebreak from smaller dummys.
In PvE pets also werent the main problems but guards. Players killed other players with plaguebreak by nearby guards. You didn‘t even had to hide between your own guards to get killed by plaguebreak, plaguebreak users hided between enemy guards to kill the guards and enemy players or pull them to enemy players to kill both. Occult Overload was even worse, you needed only 2-3 npcs to kill a player even when they were blocking or in corrosive. Was 1vXing in farragut yard to defend keep and got oneshottet with 25.6k oblivion dmg by 2 guards I didnt even saw because they were chasing the players chasing me and died.

SandandStars · June 11

i’d be fine with it being untargetable

It just seems like an annoying crutch in PVP

El_Borracho · June 11

@Iriidius Oh, I know the main reason was the effects it was having in PVE, with the occasional PVP crossover. They could have made it so "monsters" or "adds" or whatever could not proc it. Then they took the extra step and said that pets proccing it was unfair, which is absolutely ridiculous. If pets can absorb damage in PVP, with or without the wonky targeting issues, pets should also proc sets like PVP. It shouldn't work both ways.

CameraBeardThePirate · June 20

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Iriidius Oh, I know the main reason was the effects it was having in PVE, with the occasional PVP crossover. They could have made it so "monsters" or "adds" or whatever could not proc it. Then they took the extra step and said that pets proccing it was unfair, which is absolutely ridiculous. If pets can absorb damage in PVP, with or without the wonky targeting issues, pets should also proc sets like PVP. It shouldn't work both ways.

Pets were never able to proc Plaguebreak - i.e., they could not apply the DoT to enemies.

If you killed a pet pre-nerf, then it would explode, but that would almost never happen, as Pets take drastically reduced AoE damage and you're typically killing people with AoE if you're using Plaguebreak.

Pets (and other adds) still contribute to the scaling of Plaguebreak, so the nerf was basically moot in PvP, as guards and Pets will still scale Plaguebreak really high.

I agree however that Pets should be able to proc sets.

SandandStars · June 21

let’s get rid of engine guardian in pvp

😁

Amottica · June 21

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

SandandStars wrote: »

wow.

why do you want to keep it?

Well it's your idea. Why don't we start with you talking about it?

That is a very good point. Suggesting getting rid of something without providing any basis for that opinion is meaningless which means the devs will swipe left and move on in a heartbeat.

Amottica · June 21

SandandStars wrote: »

i’d be fine with it being untargetable

It just seems like an annoying crutch in PVP

How is it an annoying crutch in PvP? Is it just that it is targetable or is it that they give up sets that increase damage or some other benefits to randomly get some resources?

The devil is in the details which is important to include.

SandandStars · June 21

no offense, but do you play pvp?

if u do, it’s pretty annoying. it acts like a shield and soaks up damage.

robot cheatball, ive heard it called

Amottica · June 21

SandandStars wrote: »

no offense, but do you play pvp?

lol. Yes.

my point seems to have been effective since I was pointed out that one must explain their opinion on a matter to have a chance to get the dev's attention versus just stating one wants something to change. This is something multiple posters have responded about.

I suggest editing the OP to explain things in case the devs have not already swiped left on this thread. That is if this is important enough to take that time.

xylena_lazarow · June 21

Amottica wrote: »

Is it just that it is targetable

Yeah, tab targeting fails to function properly in PvP. Tab the opponent, crosshairs on, but the proc still body blocks. Good old MMO position tracking. The concept of a random proc that randomly eats your attacks is horrendous PvP game design. If tab targeting worked as expected, it would be fine. If the proc was untargetable, it would be fine.

Sporigudinai · June 21

Do you wanna help farming the monster set?

Amottica · June 22

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Is it just that it is targetable

Yeah, tab targeting fails to function properly in PvP. Tab the opponent, crosshairs on, but the proc still body blocks. Good old MMO position tracking. The concept of a random proc that randomly eats your attacks is horrendous PvP game design. If tab targeting worked as expected, it would be fine. If the proc was untargetable, it would be fine.

I know how it works. Thank you, though. That was not the point of my post. The original post of this thread just asks to get rid of the set in PvP. That is a guaranteed way to get the devs to ignore the thread since it offers nothing.

taugrim · June 22

There are better sets that significantly outperform Engine Guardian.

That said, there are some players that I see struggle without it, so it's their Carry Bot 3000.

I ran it briefly a couple years ago on my Stamden but it felt cheesy and I've never used it since.

xylena_lazarow · June 22

Amottica wrote: »

I know how it works. Thank you, though. That was not the point of my post. The original post of this thread just asks to get rid of the set in PvP. That is a guaranteed way to get the devs to ignore the thread since it offers nothing.

All you did was attack the other poster. I explained why Engine Guardian can be seen a problem. You're welcome.

Amottica · June 23

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

I know how it works. Thank you, though. That was not the point of my post. The original post of this thread just asks to get rid of the set in PvP. That is a guaranteed way to get the devs to ignore the thread since it offers nothing.

All you did was attack the other poster. I explained why Engine Guardian can be seen a problem. You're welcome.

No. I asked if the reason they posted was the only reason. They may have had more to add. Details are important, and if there is more information, it may help tilt any interest the devs may have with this. The devil is in the details.

That is not attacking. Not even remotely close to that.

divnyi · June 24

I mean it pets are the problem, why not implement targeting priority "player > npc enemy > player's pet" ?
That will resolve all the issues mentioned above.

xylena_lazarow · June 24

Amottica wrote: »

Details are important

I provided the details you requested. I answered your question in good faith. Yes, targeting problems are the only problem with that set, and have been for a decade. You did not need the OP personally to say that. Any PvPer can say that.

SandandStars · June 24

i’d love if they could implement targetting priority

(10 yr old stuck in combat bug shrugs)

i think i’m in the vast minority that doesnt enjoy having gear and cheese doing the fighting

everyone’s running tarnished, way of fire, and good old flames of oblivion hitting pretty hard for doing… nothing

it’s just the way ppl like the game

Sporigudinai · June 24

I never used tab target on PvP. Is it WOW?

xylena_lazarow · June 24

Sporigudinai wrote: »

I never used tab target on PvP. Is it WOW?

Yeah it's known from there, you highlight an enemy with the tab key, now your attacks should target that enemy.