Already done with this (scribing)

RDMyers65b14_ESO

I get halfway and the fox stops. No sigils anywhere to dispel. Very frustrating.

RicAlmighty

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I get halfway and the fox stops. No sigils anywhere to dispel. Very frustrating.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/659643/wing-of-the-crow-game-breaking-bug-workaround-inside

Soarora

ArchMikem wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

At least getting the scripts is a gold sink

You do realize most players aren't rich.

Yes, I'm aware, it's taken me a long time to have a collection of gold. The want for a gold sink is not my own, but I'm also not going to ignore that people have been asking for gold sinks just because I'm indifferent.

Lags

question if anyone knows, if you get a focus/signature/affix script on your main character, from some kind of RNG drop like a daily or something. And then you learn it on your main character, can you then buy it on an alt? Maybe from the vendor in the scholarium? Or do you have to farm all these scripts that are RNG based on every single alt?

Captain_Phasma

Lags wrote: »

question if anyone knows, if you get a focus/signature/affix script on your main character, from some kind of RNG drop like a daily or something. And then you learn it on your main character, can you then buy it on an alt? Maybe from the vendor in the scholarium? Or do you have to farm all these scripts that are RNG based on every single alt?

One thing I tested at least is transferring earned scripts on other alts to the bank. SUCCESS! At least there's that for easier completion on the main scriber.

Otherwise completely agree with everyone's sentiment in this thread... Was excited but feels like false advertising. Even those who tested it on PTS never said anything about this limitation (I never read or heard it). Whether they knew or not, you knows?

1. Grimoires and Scripts: account wide (if this isn't rectified fast, similar situation to jewelry crafting, the player base with take a hit like never seen before).
2. Alts earning Scribing quest line (similar to Psijic skill line) - is very lengthy. Psijic is arduous and boring after you do it once. At least the Scribing story/quest line is one of the best in the game, but no way in heck would I do it again! Most players will take several days/~1 week to complete it.
3. After completion on first toon: both Scribing & Psijic should be a shortened version of the full quest line (25%-35% of their full storyline). NO ONE cares about doing the same content twice for the sake of using those skills. No one has ever considered the Psijic skill line a must have.

@Bethesda/ZOS - I hope this gets patched ASAP. This is not a player based consideration. You should have learned a lesson with jewelry crafting. How quickly you forget! (Or is the $ really more important? Players make the game. I guess we'll see what kind of customer service you offer in response to this outcry.)

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Edit/update: to players... check out the Alcast link for the best info I've seen regarding scribing details...

1. After completion on main scriber...Alts only have to do the scribing tutorial to unlock the scribing area/alter for use. (Will confirm soon)

https://alcasthq.com/eso-scribing-guide

Soarora

Captain_Phasma wrote: »

2. Alts earning Scribing quest line (similar to Psijic skill line) - is very lengthy. Psijic is arduous and boring after you do it once. At least the Scribing story/quest line is one of the best in the game, but no way in heck would I do it again! Most players will take several days/~1 week to complete it.
3. After completion on first toon: both Scribing & Psijic should be a shortened version of the full quest line (25%-35% of their full storyline). NO ONE cares about doing the same content twice for the sake of using those skills. No one has ever considered the Psijic skill line a must have.

You do not need to do the entire scribing questline every time, you only need to do the intro quest that takes like 5 minutes. The bonuses from completing the questline are available under your account upgrades.

SeaGtGruff

Dracane wrote: »

As a former BDO player, I am not afraid of grind. Indeed, I find whatever grind ESO has to offer rather like holidays.
I tested the skills ad nauseam on the PTS over the past few weeks, and what turns me off is their power (in terms of damage). Or the lack of it.

In terms of damage, they are too weak on a 1 to 1 basis. Wield Soul could have finally been a universal spammable skill untied from any weapon, but its comically low damage ensures it will never be that. Even with magic, shock etc. damage scripts applied. It could have helped several classes, but no utility it could possibly offer may offset its terrible damage.

I think many people feel the same way, that most of these scribing skills are too weak, or only useful in certain pvp situations.

I suspect they intentionally made the skills a bit weak in order to avoid complaints about unfairly over-powered players and accusations of pay-to-win. Pretty much the same thing happened with Companions-- there were players who raised a stink about Companions being too powerful (on the PTS, I guess) and how it was going to kill the need for players to group for vet content, then when Companions went live everyone complained about how weak they were.

The Scribed skills will probably have their strength adjusted and readjusted in the weeks, months, and years ahead, just as is done with most other things in the game. Striking a good balance rarely happens perfectly on the first attempt.

Warhawke_80

I didn't think anything could be as boring as Tales Of Tribute...

I was horribly wrong.

SeaGtGruff

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

I didn't think anything could be as boring as Tales Of Tribute...

I was horribly wrong.

Yes, you were. Tales of Tribute isn't boring at all!

darvaria

ZOS needs to add something like the Oakensoul of Scribing .... something everyone will want. Current state isn't worth the trouble.

Lags

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

I didn't think anything could be as boring as Tales Of Tribute...

I was horribly wrong.

Yes, you were. Tales of Tribute isn't boring at all!

ya you're right, its not boring its more like painful torture. The worst implementation of a card game ive ever seen.

Captain_Phasma wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

question if anyone knows, if you get a focus/signature/affix script on your main character, from some kind of RNG drop like a daily or something. And then you learn it on your main character, can you then buy it on an alt? Maybe from the vendor in the scholarium? Or do you have to farm all these scripts that are RNG based on every single alt?

One thing I tested at least is transferring earned scripts on other alts to the bank. SUCCESS! At least there's that for easier completion on the main scriber.

Otherwise completely agree with everyone's sentiment in this thread... Was excited but feels like false advertising. Even those who tested it on PTS never said anything about this limitation (I never read or heard it). Whether they knew or not, you knows?

1. Grimoires and Scripts: account wide (if this isn't rectified fast, similar situation to jewelry crafting, the player base with take a hit like never seen before).
2. Alts earning Scribing quest line (similar to Psijic skill line) - is very lengthy. Psijic is arduous and boring after you do it once. At least the Scribing story/quest line is one of the best in the game, but no way in heck would I do it again! Most players will take several days/~1 week to complete it.
3. After completion on first toon: both Scribing & Psijic should be a shortened version of the full quest line (25%-35% of their full storyline). NO ONE cares about doing the same content twice for the sake of using those skills. No one has ever considered the Psijic skill line a must have.

@Bethesda/ZOS - I hope this gets patched ASAP. This is not a player based consideration. You should have learned a lesson with jewelry crafting. How quickly you forget! (Or is the $ really more important? Players make the game. I guess we'll see what kind of customer service you offer in response to this outcry.)

---

Edit/update: to players... check out the Alcast link for the best info I've seen regarding scribing details...

1. After completion on main scriber...Alts only have to do the scribing tutorial to unlock the scribing area/alter for use. (Will confirm soon)

https://alcasthq.com/eso-scribing-guide

ya im good. i dont doom much in games i play but i think this is my limit. ive played eso since like 2016. leveled on 2 platforms and done anything and everyting, but this is too much for me. I pvp on almost every class and pve on others, i like making builds, and this grind is just silly. Its the dumbest decision ive ever seen out of zos, and i have seen many. This is just a case of them disrespecting our time in a huge way. You can have grinds but not 50 *** scripts that are rng based, that im supposed to get on multiple characters? If i want to try those skill combinations on those other classes? Its absurd. Im good.

KaosWarMonk

Feature has been around for how long?

Give it some time.

CrashTest

KaosWarMonk wrote: »

Feature has been around for how long?

Give it some time.

Time won't lessen how extreme of a grind this new system is. It's horrible, not alt friendly, and unfun.

kind_hero

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

As a former BDO player, I am not afraid of grind. Indeed, I find whatever grind ESO has to offer rather like holidays.
I tested the skills ad nauseam on the PTS over the past few weeks, and what turns me off is their power (in terms of damage). Or the lack of it.

In terms of damage, they are too weak on a 1 to 1 basis. Wield Soul could have finally been a universal spammable skill untied from any weapon, but its comically low damage ensures it will never be that. Even with magic, shock etc. damage scripts applied. It could have helped several classes, but no utility it could possibly offer may offset its terrible damage.

I think many people feel the same way, that most of these scribing skills are too weak, or only useful in certain pvp situations.

I suspect they intentionally made the skills a bit weak in order to avoid complaints about unfairly over-powered players and accusations of pay-to-win. Pretty much the same thing happened with Companions-- there were players who raised a stink about Companions being too powerful (on the PTS, I guess) and how it was going to kill the need for players to group for vet content, then when Companions went live everyone complained about how weak they were.

The Scribed skills will probably have their strength adjusted and readjusted in the weeks, months, and years ahead, just as is done with most other things in the game. Striking a good balance rarely happens perfectly on the first attempt.

In my opinion, the companions and the scribing bonuses or whatever they are, are too weak. Companions die 99% times when you really need them.

I am not saying that these features should be strong all the time. But I would very much enjoy some potion or food buff that I could give to my companions to make them strong for a minute, to get the edge I need in some hard spot, like a public dungeon where I am struggling. Same would go for scribing. Get a significant buff with some fun disadvantage for a short time, while have the weak effect all the time.

Pelanora

^^^ Yea a spell to shield or power boost a companion could be fun

olsborg

Dracane wrote: »

As a former BDO player, I am not afraid of grind. Indeed, I find whatever grind ESO has to offer rather like holidays.
I tested the skills ad nauseam on the PTS over the past few weeks, and what turns me off is their power (in terms of damage). Or the lack of it.

In terms of damage, they are too weak on a 1 to 1 basis. Wield Soul could have finally been a universal spammable skill untied from any weapon, but its comically low damage ensures it will never be that. Even with magic, shock etc. damage scripts applied. It could have helped several classes, but no utility it could possibly offer may offset its terrible damage.

I think many people feel the same way, that most of these scribing skills are too weak, or only useful in certain pvp situations.

I do agree that the dmg on most if not all these scribing skills is a tad low, yes. The vault skill however is fun and the utility on it is great. But thats basicly the only one.

Yudo

Putting the grind aside, you can't save configurations using armory. I have one skill that I could fit for my tank, but then cant re-use or configure for my DD or Healer. And the drop rake of ink right now does not justify configuring on the fly.

Veinblood1965

It's just enough to keep us all rowing for the next few years. Row!

It's kind of like Scrying, that grind is aweful on alternate toon until you figure out the short cut.

CrazyKitty

After grinding until my eyes watered for over a week to get the style pages from the 10th anniversary "celebration" I decided to skip Gold Road all together. Saved some money, and don't have to grind for scribing.

SeaGtGruff

I have done only the initial Scribing quest, the Indrik's quests, and the Netch's quests. I'm doing just one a day, so tonight I'll do the third Luminary's quests. It hasn't been too grindy that way, and I've been enjoying the quests.

The part to find the key fragments and the door to the wing is easy, and for some characters it could be a good time to collect wayshrines, skyshards, and map locations in the associated zone.

The part where we choose what to do from a list of tasks is interesting in that there's a variety for us to choose from-- a lot like Endeavors-- so we should be able to find ones that appeal to us, and in some cases we may even be able to merge them with our other regular activities or, if we're lucky, with the daily Endeavors that day. Examples include closing down a dolmen or other type of incursion, completing a Battleground, or doing a district daily in the Imperial City. I didn't choose any of those (although I was tempted to go to Imperial City because that's something I do semi-regularly), because I opted for ones that took me to locations I hadn't been to in years, such as the mine near Balmora. I was actually disappointed I wasn't required to go inside the mine!

The part where we complete a quest on behalf of the Luminary is also interesting for me, because it's the part that's most like an actual miscellaneous zone quest. I enjoyed the stories for the Indrik's and Netch's quests, and the one for the Netch was especially touching to me. I'm curious to see what the Dragon and Gryphon will ask me to do for them.

GooGa592

Tatdad wrote: »

Spent money on the new DLC. Re subbed. Scribing seemed amazing with all the videos on it and everything.

But once you get started and realize how bad getting Ink is. And how stuff doesn’t transfer to alts [snip]. I’m already done with this and there is NO WAY I’m going to grind for new scribes on every single alt.

This is ridiculous.

[edited for bashing]

An Awesome for you!

OtarTheMad

The grind for Scribing on alts doesn’t really bother me. What does is that it seems ink is hard to come by which bothers me. I haven’t had a chance to play it yet but if ink is a pain to get aka a really low drop rate then that is an issue for me. I have a life outside the game, I can’t play hours on end 7 days a week… so as exciting as Scribing looks… the potential very low drop rate for ink turns me away.

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

CrashTest

OtarTheMad wrote: »

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

It's really that bad. That's why they're selling for 150k+ on PCNA and 100k+ on EU.

Necrotech_Master

OtarTheMad wrote: »

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

the approximate drop rates from harvesting (non-survey) nodes is about 2-3x rarer than nirncrux

the drop rates from NPCs are about equally as bad, not aetheric cipher level but enough so ive never seen once since completing scribing system on monday

Dax_Draconis

CrashTest wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

It's really that bad. That's why they're selling for 150k+ on PCNA and 100k+ on EU.

So the PCNA greedflation prices haven't kicked in yet.

Shadowbinder7

Tatdad wrote: »

Spent money on the new DLC. Re subbed. Scribing seemed amazing with all the videos on it and everything.

But once you get started and realize how bad getting Ink is. And how stuff doesn’t transfer to alts [snip]. I’m already done with this and there is NO WAY I’m going to grind for new scribes on every single alt.

This is ridiculous.

[edited for bashing]

If this is the case, already really disappointed. Make it account wide ZOS, we all HATE grinding so much. Please

I want to test the skills on my alts without horrible grinding

OtarTheMad

CrashTest wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

It's really that bad. That's why they're selling for 150k+ on PCNA and 100k+ on EU.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

the approximate drop rates from harvesting (non-survey) nodes is about 2-3x rarer than nirncrux

the drop rates from NPCs are about equally as bad, not aetheric cipher level but enough so ive never seen once since completing scribing system on monday

Oh lord. Why would ZOS make it so rare? I mean I get it it wasn’t exactly easy but to make it so rare is such a bummer, especially for me since I don’t play a lot. I was hoping Scribing skills would fill some holes on my Magcro until they got fixed but guess not.

EDIT- I mean I don’t even mess with the Nirncrux grind, I just do transmutation stones to change some weapons. If I need a stone I’ll do the same instead I’ll decon the item for the stone and sell it.

SeaGtGruff

Dax_Draconis wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

How bad is the drop rate for ink? Are people just being overly negative or is it that bad?

It's really that bad. That's why they're selling for 150k+ on PCNA and 100k+ on EU.

So the PCNA greedflation prices haven't kicked in yet.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm (since the PCNA price is 150% of the PCEU price) or sincerity.

Personally, I'm surprised that ink is unbound and tradeable, as I would have expected an account-bound currency that doesn't take up any inventory or bank space.

Jaraal

Tannus15 wrote: »

the skills are all intentionally weak.
i don't know why that was the goal for ZoS, but it's the decision they made.

Ever since they went through all the sets and skills a couple years back to "standardize" everything, everything has to be close to the same strength. So from that point until the end of the game's life, everything will be very close to equal power wise.

It's all the same skill, just with different animations, and slight variations.

Jaimeh

It has only been a few days and people are selling ink in the chat for around 80k, so I'm guessing it will be much lower in a while. It's the same with all new mats, eventually there will be more stock in the traders. I think for a permanent system added to the game, we are not meant to experience it fully in just the first week it's introduced, but I'm sure after a while players will have enough ink to make use of the system. Like everything in the game, if you want to change your build frequently, it will cost you, but that's no different than transmuting, respec'ing, golding out things etc.