Already done with this (scribing)

Tatdad

Spent money on the new DLC. Re subbed. Scribing seemed amazing with all the videos on it and everything.

But once you get started and realize how bad getting Ink is. And how stuff doesn’t transfer to alts [snip]. I’m already done with this and there is NO WAY I’m going to grind for new scribes on every single alt.

This is ridiculous.

[edited for bashing]

Shagreth

Almost everything they do is a disappointment lately, meanwhile they'll be monetizing Styling later, imagine that. This game needs a new direction, desperately.

noblecron

It's one hell of a grind. I think I'm just going ot get certain things on alts XD

Sarannah

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

majulook

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

Same here. I am almost done with this entire quest line on my main character. I was at first going to do it on alts but seeing the grind needed to get the all the various stuff to use this on all characters. For alt just the initial Scribing quest would be fine. But things are locked behind other quest, achievements, game play that not all of my characters d0, and the exorbitant costs of the items from the Endless Archive.

Update:
Well Guss I am done with Scribing. I cannot complete the final Scribing quest the fox stops halfway and will not move.

Soarora

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

I’d rather have it how it is now than do the scholarium quests again. It took me about 5 hours. At least getting the scripts is a gold sink and lets me get other rewards like motifs and companion skill line progress.

ArchMikem

Soarora wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

At least getting the scripts is a gold sink

You do realize most players aren't rich.

yadibroz

This is why I won't buy it because it not attach to all characters so I'm not going to repeat it 8 times no.

Necrotech_Master

majulook wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

Same here. I am almost done with this entire quest line on my main character. I was at first going to do it on alts but seeing the grind needed to get the all the various stuff to use this on all characters. For alt just the initial Scribing quest would be fine. But things are locked behind other quest, achievements, game play that not all of my characters d0, and the exorbitant costs of the items from the Endless Archive.

Update:
Well Guss I am done with Scribing. I cannot complete the final Scribing quest the fox stops halfway and will not move.

for alts the only thing you need to start scribing is the first quest "second era of scribing"

the only other thing needed for alts to take advantage of the system is actually buying all of the scripts and grimoires

the biggest bottleneck i see right now though for doing scribing is the luminous ink

kind_hero

As scribing is right now, it's terrible. Besides the cosmetic effect, I don't see any benefit that would make worth the grind the and the trouble.

The fact that scribing doesn't transfer well to alts is even more terrible.

Their sales pitches are great, I was excited when I saw the presentation. But even the chapter feels like the same copied formula. The hero fights swarms of new cultists which serve a daedra. All the zone is almost wiped out by the cultists, and the hero saves the day. I got the same feeling when I was level 14 and entered Stormhaven 9 years ago. I haven't played far into the story, but I am sure that towards the end we will interrupt some ritual and fight a miniboss that is the 2nd in command, and in the end some weakened version of the daedra or final boss which will result in banishing them to leave room for a new part of the same story. /yawn

I am not sure that will bother with scribing... The new furnishings are probably the best thing about this chapter so far.

SeaGtGruff

With regard to alts, I don't particularly care how easy or difficult it is for them to pick up scribing once my two main characters have learned it, because I very seldom use my alts for anything besides acting as mules, getting daily mail from the crafting hirelings, and checking the progress on their traits research.

I do plan to eventually play more on them, which is why I bother to do traits research on them, and I'm glad I can do questing and leveling all over again on each of them rather than having everything be account-wide, so in that sense I'm grateful that scribing, acquiring companions, learning Antiquities and the Psijic skill lines, finding skyshards, and questing in general are character-specific, as it gives the game greater replayability.

Eventually there will probably be shortcuts available in the Crown Store for players who don't enjoy doing everything all over again whenever they create a new character, such as buying the Scribing skill line on each alt character once we've acquired it on at least one other character, or scrolls to learn individual grimoires, etc. In my opinion, those types of shortcuts should always be optional so each player can choose whether or not to play through certain content again on a given character.

Just speaking for myself, not trying to criticize anyone else's personal views.

Natakiro

I made sure to not spoil myself at all by seeing pre-release content for it, so I was going in completely blind. I thought it would be cool and a fun way to diversify skills. I was NOT prepared for how grindy it is; the fact that nothing is accountwide is disgusting. The few skills I made so far just aren't worth all the trouble. I will just stick with my class and weapon skills. Lame. I am getting more out of skill recolors LOL

SeaGtGruff

I have made only one Scribed skill so far-- the Soul Magic one that you make as part of the questline. I've finished the Indrik's questline and have acquired more choices or scripts, as well as 3 inks, but I decided that I'm going to wait on making any new skills until I've acquired many more grimoires, scripts, and inks so I can see what combinations are possible and choose the specific ones I want. The last thing I want to do is spend all 3 of my inks on making every permutation of my currently-known scripts, only to find additional scripts that look more useful yet have no more inks to scribe with.

darvaria

I watched some PTS vid and they talked about how expensive it would be if you got scribing on a couple of alts. I did the Indrik quest line and that was enough for me for a while. Seems like this is a lot of trouble. I'm still not clear on this skill ... is there something about you can only use some things "once"?

ZOS will cheapen and make easier over time.

Dracane

As a former BDO player, I am not afraid of grind. Indeed, I find whatever grind ESO has to offer rather like holidays.
I tested the skills ad nauseam on the PTS over the past few weeks, and what turns me off is their power (in terms of damage). Or the lack of it.

In terms of damage, they are too weak on a 1 to 1 basis. Wield Soul could have finally been a universal spammable skill untied from any weapon, but its comically low damage ensures it will never be that. Even with magic, shock etc. damage scripts applied. It could have helped several classes, but no utility it could possibly offer may offset its terrible damage.

I think many people feel the same way, that most of these scribing skills are too weak, or only useful in certain pvp situations.

Elvenheart

majulook wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I would put it much nicer, I agree that scribing is more of a bother than a useful feature right now.

ZOS should make script unlocks accountwide, and have us do all the luminaries's quests to unlock scribing for an alt. This way we do have a barrier of entry(scholarium quests), but can expand our scribing library accountwide and grant alts full access when they are done with that. While at the same time we do not have to collect every script for all characters over and over, but only once. Still keeping it a grind, but not an impossible twenty times of a grind.

The way scribing is now, I have it unlocked and won't touch it ever again.

PS: The scholarium quests are really fun to do!

Update:
Well Guss I am done with Scribing. I cannot complete the final Scribing quest the fox stops halfway and will not move.

Just in case this is what’s happening to you, I thought this was happening to me too. The fox would just stop at the end of the path halfway across and not do anything. I finally realized you have to look up and to either side back along the path and you will see those floating sigils up in the air you have to dispel. And there’s more than one to dispel before he starts again.

Metafae

When they first released the new materials for max level gear, at the time, it was Veteran Rank 15 and 16, there were no resource nodes for this material.

They also made it so VR16 gear needed 10x the amount of material to make a single item than the same item at VR15.

The only way you could acquire this new material was to deconstruct the gear you could find in only one location, the Imperial City.

Can you imagine how this was a rough grind? This is normal for an MMO. They make it a nasty grind at release to slow down people who want to 100% it immediately.

I ask you now, is it a major grind to get the materials to make CP160 gear? No, it's not anymore.

Calm down. This is normal. One day scribing is going to be too easy to do.

[Edit] I forgot to mention, you only get 1 material piece from deconstructing an item. It was a very slow grind. Want that new robe of Julianos at CP160? Deconstruct 160 clothier items.

Necrotech_Master

Metafae wrote: »

When they first released the new materials for max level gear, at the time, it was Veteran Rank 15 and 16, there were no resource nodes for this material.

They also made it so VR16 gear needed 10x the amount of material to make a single item than the same item at VR15.

The only way you could acquire this new material was to deconstruct the gear you could find in only one location, the Imperial City.

Can you imagine how this was a rough grind? This is normal for an MMO. They make it a nasty grind at release to slow down people who want to 100% it immediately.

I ask you now, is it a major grind to get the materials to make CP160 gear? No, it's not anymore.

Calm down. This is normal. One day scribing is going to be too easy to do.

i remember that, i used to sell rubedite ingots for 300g each back in the day lol

they never altered the cost it takes to craft, the mats just became significantly more plentiful when they added material nodes for it and one tamriel to allow those nodes to appear in every zone due to being scaled to your level/craft skill

i agree that they will probably end up increasing the drop rates of ink

Firstmep

It's not that bad on 1 toon, but for the life of me I cant understand why they want us to re grind scripts on every alt.
Or at least make the guaranteed script drops per char, not per account.

Arrodisia

I like the idea of this new feature but yes they should change the amount of inks we can get, like yesterday couldn't be fast enough. So please, devs give us more. it must not be obsurdly high amounts, but a few more per week is enough to get started. It can always be reviewed later to make changes again if necessary.

Now, if only they could add one more thing, that one thing many gamers crave, more damage, especially after the champ point nerfs the last couple of years. Yes, we noticed. We want our damage back...... 120+k ppffh.

Elvenheart

I’ve decided I have a mage character that wants to learn everything whether he’s going to use those particular grimoires or not. But I think on my alts, I’m only going to buy a grimoire and try to get scripts I need just for just the skill(s) that particular alt wants to use. Like right now, I have an alt that only wants the shield bash skill for the fun of throwing the shield, so he will start with that one and may never do another one.

yadibroz

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

With regard to alts, I don't particularly care how easy or difficult it is for them to pick up scribing once my two main characters have learned it, because I very seldom use my alts for anything besides acting as mules, getting daily mail from the crafting hirelings, and checking the progress on their traits research.

I do plan to eventually play more on them, which is why I bother to do traits research on them, and I'm glad I can do questing and leveling all over again on each of them rather than having everything be account-wide, so in that sense I'm grateful that scribing, acquiring companions, learning Antiquities and the Psijic skill lines, finding skyshards, and questing in general are character-specific, as it gives the game greater replayability.

Eventually there will probably be shortcuts available in the Crown Store for players who don't enjoy doing everything all over again whenever they create a new character, such as buying the Scribing skill line on each alt character once we've acquired it on at least one other character, or scrolls to learn individual grimoires, etc. In my opinion, those types of shortcuts should always be optional so each player can choose whether or not to play through certain content again on a given character.

Just speaking for myself, not trying to criticize anyone else's personal views.

Of course more money to spend like for once in 10 years can we get something fully great for free.

Mephilis78

Shagreth wrote: »

Almost everything they do is a disappointment lately, meanwhile they'll be monetizing Styling later, imagine that. This game needs a new direction, desperately.

Isn't it already monetized? Or are you saying they are going to remove the ability to use gold at the outfit stations entirely?

Necrotech_Master

Mephilis78 wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

Almost everything they do is a disappointment lately, meanwhile they'll be monetizing Styling later, imagine that. This game needs a new direction, desperately.

Isn't it already monetized? Or are you saying they are going to remove the ability to use gold at the outfit stations entirely?

monetized as in sell significantly more skill styles than have earnable ones

Tannus15

the skills are all intentionally weak.
i don't know why that was the goal for ZoS, but it's the decision they made.

on top of that inks are so rare right now that experimenting with the system is discouraged.

honestly I just did the quest line so that inks can drop and i can start banking them, but i have no actual intention of using the system for anything.

coming off the back of the massive disappointment of the blandest class sets imaginable this one hits pretty hard.

CrashTest

I just can't do this on every one of my alts. Seriously. This isn't alt friendly or fun at all.

Even the thought of doing it on one alt is too much bc I'm weary and burnt out from all the other extreme grinds in ESO.

ESO is just becoming more and more unfun bc of these excessive grinds - everything from soul-crushing RNG to mindlessly repeating content to unlock things on alts.

shadyjane62

I got 6 inks in two hrs of gathering . Half in the newbie area half in wrothgar.

I was not disappointed.

NoSoup

Anyone that thinks this grind is too bad/the worst clearly never played in the VR days XD

CrashTest

NoSoup wrote: »

Anyone that thinks this grind is too bad/the worst clearly never played in the VR days XD

Yes and thankfully ZOS got rid of that.

Firstmep

Tannus15 wrote: »

the skills are all intentionally weak.
i don't know why that was the goal for ZoS, but it's the decision they made.

on top of that inks are so rare right now that experimenting with the system is discouraged.

honestly I just did the quest line so that inks can drop and i can start banking them, but i have no actual intention of using the system for anything.

coming off the back of the massive disappointment of the blandest class sets imaginable this one hits pretty hard.

There are quite a few strong combos for pvp, wield soul can be made into the best self heal for most classes for example.

Tannus15

Firstmep wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

the skills are all intentionally weak.
i don't know why that was the goal for ZoS, but it's the decision they made.

on top of that inks are so rare right now that experimenting with the system is discouraged.

honestly I just did the quest line so that inks can drop and i can start banking them, but i have no actual intention of using the system for anything.

coming off the back of the massive disappointment of the blandest class sets imaginable this one hits pretty hard.

There are quite a few strong combos for pvp, wield soul can be made into the best self heal for most classes for example.

yeah, there are a bunch of decent support options as well. but for the most common use case, pve damage, scribing is severely lacking.