PVP LEVELING! BRING! IT! BACK!

Funkitron

I wasn't much a fan of the repeatable kill quest in beta although I partook of it because it was just so damned efficient. I'm glad they limited it but I also think they need to increase cyrodiil xp gain across the board from other sources. Whether that's from taking keeps, clearing dungeons or killing enemies I don't care but it needs to be for something that enhances the gameplay and not just make people leave to hand in every 5 mins.

Pryda

They had to remove this quest but they also had to compensate the loss of XP for PvP only players

darkdruidssb14_ESO

It's sad to me that the one thing I look forward to most is Cyrodiil, but for me to feel more competitive with all the higher level players then I have to PvE to get my levels. The bolster mechanic works to a degree to ease the pain, but the exp rate in Cyrodiil is atrociously slow unless you are just grinding on PvE mobs for hours on end.

I don't understand why ESO discourages leveling in Cyrodiil so much. I'm mostly a hardcore PvPer. In Warhammer Online and Guild Wars 2 I could realistically level all my characters through RvR at a reasonable rate. Why isn't that an option here?

Dleatherus

personally i believe that you're all mistaken

what you need to do is find action - if there's none in your home campaign, then get out and find some in a hotly contested campaign

last night we had some amazing action on skull crusher where 22 of us were defending against an approx force of 85-90 smurfs (scouts counted their numbers as they ran thru the gate south from Ash towards Nikel)
we had an epic and successful defence of that outpost for over 30 minutes and raked in huge VR points towards leveling

many of us had guested in another campaign during the day and by the time all was said and done, some folks had gotten 25%-30% of an entire veteran rank bar

is it as fast as leveling at PvE? - heck no
is it as bad as you are all crying about - heck no

to me all the fun is in cyrodiil - i actually dislike the PvE in this game - so whilst i am 'only' VR2 - most of which was leveled in Cyrodiil (I haven't even started the level 43 Coldharbour quest yet) - quite a number of my guildies are VR8-VR10

it is MY choice to level at a slower pace - if getting to VR10 asap was more important to me than having fun - i'd simply go and grind it in PvE

last thing i'd be doing is making out to be this hardcore PvP player who has been butthurt because an exploitable quest was nerfed (ridiculously nerfed at that - so many ways it could have been fixed such as giving just 1 kill credit per unique enemy character every 24 hours)

D.

Foxhunt

Having the quest a daily isn't that bad, I'll survive. However, there needs to be a boost in xp from capturing keeps, resources, and killing players along with defending keeps and resources.

There's been more times than I can count that I will be battling at a keep with a large group and we take a couple resources, then eventually capture the keep and while I'm inside helping capture the keep, I don't get awarded any xp or ap, yet a select few other times when I've captured a keep, I've gotten upwards of hundreds of ap and xp.

Censorious

Cyrodiil - where a man's life is worth less than a Mudcrab.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

PvP was meant as an endgame not a leveling mechanic.

Censorious

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

PvP was meant as an endgame not a leveling mechanic.

That is simply untrue. All the way through Beta the question was raised again and again and we were assured that we'd be allowed 'to play the game the way you want to play it'.

Gisgo

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

PvP was meant as an endgame not a leveling mechanic.

Hmmmm nope.
They changed their mind at some point between the beta and the release.

scarsreminder80

My favorite quotes from this thread with thoughts about each one...

• "Yeah because the countless amount of players who just AOE grinded mobs now know everything about the storyline" - What game are you playing? You must be thinking of another game. There is no AoE mob grinding in this game.
• "Those of us that bought this for RvR couldn't care less about the storyline. You need one to fight, we don't." - Yeah! Because Elder Scrolls has never been about storyline. That mentality is exactly why PvP'ers should stay in CoD, WoW or any other 10-minute-round style PvP.
• "Yeah, because PvEing is "playing the game" like hitting a ball *with a racquet* against a wall is "playing tennis". "- Um I believe this is called racquet ball.... completely different from playing tennis. But I could be wrong.
• "Personally, I don't want to play the PvE game. I have zero interest in the Elder Scrolls" - There are these really cool PvP games called America's Army, Counter Strike or Castle Defense..... Try them since you don't even like Elder Scrolls.

The bottom line is this. PvP players only have one interest and these quotes say it all... They only care about being better than the next person and don't even know why. PvP'ers get a kick out of trash talking and berating others when they say they don't like the poor sportsmanship that surrounds the PvP side of games.

I'm glad they did away with being able to grind levels in PvP. I still say, go play some PvE and actually learn why you are trying to defeat the other teams.

Stop trying to pin that digital metal to a computerized avatar and claim "I AM THE CHAMPION OF YOU ALL!" like it actually has some sort of real world value.

Gisgo

Hmmmm... all im seeing is pvers hating on pvpers for no particular reason (nobody asked to take anything away from pvers, we just asked the same opportunity to level up while doing our favourite thing).

But of course pvpers are the evil ones...

Funny how the worse elitists i ever met were hardcore pvers (raid schedules, loot drama, having to memorize boss fights step by step and *** like that).

Elitism means being convinced to be part of an elite; be it the leet pvpers or the hardcore pvers or the legit roleplayers or the elder scrolls true fans: anyone thinking they are doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong, is an elitist by definition.

The post above this one is a perfect example of an elitist that doesnt even know to be one.

There is so much rage in gamers nowaday its almost scary.

beravinprb19_ESO

All I can see is that you have no respect for what we want. But hey, I am not surprised, as most of the PvE players are like that. We say live and let live. Both parties can have equal access to stuff like gold, experience, gear, soul gems, and so on. All we are doing is asking for Zenimax to make it so. But, no! You come in here, into our PvP threads, and tell us that because you enjoy doing something, then all of us should be forced into doing it.

bitaken

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO ✭✭ Wrote:

Oh, I sees b*tthurt. *whine-whine-whine*

Tl;dr all the above comments but i think that it's been removed because it's been abused. If only some of your die-hard PvP mates hadn't been such *censored* the quest would still be there for everyone to enjoy but some people just don't get the idea that their actions might ruin game for everyone including themselves.

Anyway, stop your whining. Be a man/woman and go do some questing - maybe as a result you'll at least know WHY you're doing all the fighting in Cyrodiil.

All your ideas are plausible but all will be abused.

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I have done loads of questing to get to VR3 - I still do not know why we are fighting in Cyrodil - nor do I care one iota - I only care that the PvP is in Cyrodil.

Some of us did not come here to read stories read by voice actors and watch the pretty elves do their stupid tricks. Some of us came here to kill other people on the internet. To me - that's the essence of all MMO's. Not...the RPG part of the game.

The idea pitched for this game that made it appealing to me and a bunch of my friends was that this was the end game - sure there would be PvE content - but the end game was going to be an all out three faction War just like DAOC. That's why I am here - and a lot of my friends are too.

I don't want to grind out the elvish quests...the nord quests and all those zones. I had zero interest in reading the gray text or doing anything but numbly following the gray arrow to level 50. PvE is just the barrier in place for me to be max level and go out and fight for my faction. Period - end of sentence.

Now - I am VR 3 because I PVP and go do the easy PvE stuff when I can stomach it. I cannot imagine how it's going to be getting to VR 10 with the current experience gains in PvP. Basically - if Iwant to be VR 10 and have access to the best gear (for PvP) then I have to grind grind grind those gray arrows. I did not come here for that. I came to kill people on the internet.

Zershar_Vemod

So, last night at least 2/3 of Dawnbreaker went DC because a Vet guild rolled over the map, in the hour it took to reclaim everything I maybe got under 1/4 increase within my level...that is just pointless if almost retaking the entire map, doing the dailies, etc. only yields under 1/4 progress...

I miss it when PvP actually had a purpose and matched how it was advertised as a valid form of leveling if you didn't want to PvE all the time.

And before more biased anti-PvP occurs here, I've seen people Vet 10 a few days after early access started....and [you] are bitching that PvP was an "exploit!?"

NoMoreChillies

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

Stop trying to pin that digital metal to a computerized avatar and claim "I AM THE CHAMPION OF YOU ALL!" like it actually has some sort of real world value.

Stop trying to force others to play the same way you do. PVP players dont ruin your game at all, in fact you get boons from the accomplishments of PVP players.

Think about that

chris.carr08b16_ESO

Gisgo wrote: »

Hmmmm... all im seeing is pvers hating on pvpers for no particular reason (nobody asked to take anything away from pvers, we just asked the same opportunity to level up while doing our favourite thing).

But of course pvpers are the evil ones...

Funny how the worse elitists i ever met were hardcore pvers (raid schedules, loot drama, having to memorize boss fights step by step and *** like that).

Elitism means being convinced to be part of an elite; be it the leet pvpers or the hardcore pvers or the legit roleplayers or the elder scrolls true fans: anyone thinking they are doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong, is an elitist by definition.

The post above this one is a perfect example of an elitist that doesnt even know to be one.

There is so much rage in gamers nowaday its almost scary.

Church

darkdruidssb14_ESO

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

My favorite quotes from this thread with thoughts about each one...

This looks like fun... I will take my stab at it.

"Yeah because the countless amount of players who just AOE grinded mobs now know everything about the storyline" - What game are you playing? You must be thinking of another game. There is no AoE mob grinding in this game.

You need to brush up on what you think you know about Elder Scrolls Online. You can in fact AoE grind mobs to VR10. Do you honestly believe the people that hit VR1 in 24 hours did the story? Do you think they solo grinded on 1 mob at a time? No. AoE mob grinding actually is a thing and it's actually the most efficient way to level.. still.

"Those of us that bought this for RvR couldn't care less about the storyline. You need one to fight, we don't." - Yeah! Because Elder Scrolls has never been about storyline. That mentality is exactly why PvP'ers should stay in CoD, WoW or any other 10-minute-round style PvP.

Call of Duty and World of Warcraft were both PvE only games until later in their life. You know what those games don't offer that ESO has? True 3 faction RvR. The only games you can currently get a similar experience from are Guild Wars 2 and Dark Age of Camelot. Guild Wars 2 was a nice try, but it left a lot to be desired. Dark Age of Camelot is old as crap and many of the RvR players here played the crap out of that game before they came here. You know what ESO doesn't offer... arena style small scale PvP that COD and WoW offer.

The ESO story is good, but... more on that at the end.

"Personally, I don't want to play the PvE game. I have zero interest in the Elder Scrolls" - There are these really cool PvP games called America's Army, Counter Strike or Castle Defense..... Try them since you don't even like Elder Scrolls.

You did this before...Call of Duty, America's Army and Counter Strike are First Person Shooters.. They aren't MMOs. They don't offer the type of PvP that MMORPG players look for. Then Castle Defense? Really? You really need to work on your troll skills.

I'm glad they did away with being able to grind levels in PvP. I still say, go play some PvE and actually learn why you are trying to defeat the other teams.

You do realize that to get to VR 10 you actually have to join and play through the enemy factions stories... You start killing your own faction in their zones. How does that help you understand what you are fighting for? You literally play all 3 sides of the conflict through PvE yet as a RvR player you are tied to the faction you started with. If anything playing the VR1-10 content distracts from giving a player the reason to fight for their chosen faction.

As an avid RvR player your alliance is your pride and you tend to build faction loyalty over time. Rivalries are what drive large scale PvP. Rivalries built by the RvR players and PvP players. The actual PvE lore behind all that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I don't think you understand what drives PvP players at all. All your comments make you seem like a kid that is arguing with adults that doesn't understand the big picture.

smercgames_ESO

Now personally I think it's extremely annoying and want to slap people who post titles like this as if stating things in that matter make the devs go OH NOES! HE'S YELLING! WE SHOULD DO IT! and well I still want to slap the OP bbuuuttt I agree that PvP leveling needs to be brought back. The main thing I loved about WAR was leveling in purely PvP. It was amazing not having to do any PvE content. I understand the PvE in this game is actually pretty decent but I only do PvE to make me stronger in PvP and nerfing the hell out of that quest destroyed the only way to level.

I don't really care if they the quest repeatable more often because honestly the quest is kinda silly, you join a zerg for like 3 minutes and poof it's done but the all around PvP gains should be increased for killing/defending.

I recently reached VR and I highly doubt I'm going to get to VR 2 anytime in soon just because I want to PvP and it's rather annoying.

JexTex

I unsubbed to much pve just to get max level...pretty sad for a sub based mmo.

apterous

you can level in pvp very much, it's just too low for your tastes. you want to get maxed out fast. that is your problem.

xPALERIDERx

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

My favorite quotes from this thread with thoughts about each one...

• "Yeah because the countless amount of players who just AOE grinded mobs now know everything about the storyline" - What game are you playing? You must be thinking of another game. There is no AoE mob grinding in this game.
• "Those of us that bought this for RvR couldn't care less about the storyline. You need one to fight, we don't." - Yeah! Because Elder Scrolls has never been about storyline. That mentality is exactly why PvP'ers should stay in CoD, WoW or any other 10-minute-round style PvP.
• "Yeah, because PvEing is "playing the game" like hitting a ball *with a racquet* against a wall is "playing tennis". "- Um I believe this is called racquet ball.... completely different from playing tennis. But I could be wrong.
• "Personally, I don't want to play the PvE game. I have zero interest in the Elder Scrolls" - There are these really cool PvP games called America's Army, Counter Strike or Castle Defense..... Try them since you don't even like Elder Scrolls.

The bottom line is this. PvP players only have one interest and these quotes say it all... They only care about being better than the next person and don't even know why. PvP'ers get a kick out of trash talking and berating others when they say they don't like the poor sportsmanship that surrounds the PvP side of games.

I'm glad they did away with being able to grind levels in PvP. I still say, go play some PvE and actually learn why you are trying to defeat the other teams.

Stop trying to pin that digital metal to a computerized avatar and claim "I AM THE CHAMPION OF YOU ALL!" like it actually has some sort of real world value.

Just lol to all of this. If you can't except our answers here then that's your issue but out of courtesy I will repeat it.

I DON'T NEED YOUR STORY FOR ME TO HAVE FUN. THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND I KNOW BUT I DON'T WANT TO GRIND MOBS OR BORING QUESTS FOR LEVELS. RVR IS THE BEST PART OF THIS GAME FOR US. GO RP THAT YOU SAVED THE KINGDOM WHILE WE HAVE FUN.

xPALERIDERx

apterous wrote: »

you can level in pvp very much, it's just too low for your tastes. you want to get maxed out fast. that is your problem.

That is simply not true. If you actually play RvR you level at a drastically slower pace then the PvE counterpart. Now if you do the PvE quests in the RvR zone then you can manage to level at a decent rate (more comparable to leveling purely in PvE) but that's not exactly what the map was made for now was it?

xPALERIDERx

Pryda wrote: »

They had to remove this quest but they also had to compensate the loss of XP for PvP only players

Is this the Pryda from VoTF?

EDIT: excuse the silly question, clicking on your name confirmed that it is. Love the videos you guys have posted so far.

Megachill

I was looking forward to leveling in PVP just like I was able to in GW2 but now I have to PVE in order to progress. It would have been nice but ok...

kadmon

So, I'm done with the main quest. Now i need (to be Vet10) to make the other PVE areas. In principle it is the same stories as from level 1-50, just in a different package (elves instead of orcs). That makes not much fun (for me), so I would like to play PVP, but there are fewer experience points.
What else can I do? Grinding PVE until I get tired and cancel my subscription.

I agree: I want more EXP for PVP.

ruzlb16_ESO

PvP xp is being doubled in patch 1.1. I get the feeling it will be increased again in the future. Basically, the repeatable quest was broken as hell - you could level in PvP faster than PvE if you just stuck to the zerg and handed in religiously, which meant the best levelling in the game was done by getting the quest, porting to the nearest castle to the zerg, running upto it and then dying after 2 minutes. This was outrageously broken, and there's a fair number of players who made it into the 30s and 40s from doing just this.
You can level in PvP atm, but it is insanely slow. This means we don't have absolutely no PvP levelling, but it's a huge disadvantage in time vs xp terms. I think ZOS are probably doing the right thing by racheting it up slowly to try and get it about right - PvP-only players picked up a huge advantage initially, so they could wait with low xp returns for a little while. After all, you still get AP levels, which still give skill points, and your stats are boosted to 50 in cyrodiil anyway (beyond which point you don't get spendable attribute points). Over the next few weeks/months, I reckon they'll calibrate it about right to have PvP and PvE levelling at a roughly similar pace.
What we don't need is another broken repeat quest allowing endless simultaneous AP and XP accumulation. You get one reward or the other for almost all quests; why should PvP not only have a quest that gives both, but be allowed to do that quest 10 times an hour?
Just trim AP points from kills a little and convert the reduction into XP.

apterous

xPALERIDERx wrote: »

apterous wrote: »

you can level in pvp very much, it's just too low for your tastes. you want to get maxed out fast. that is your problem.

That is simply not true. If you actually play RvR you level at a drastically slower pace then the PvE counterpart. Now if you do the PvE quests in the RvR zone then you can manage to level at a decent rate (more comparable to leveling purely in PvE) but that's not exactly what the map was made for now was it?

read what i said again. i don't understand what you're saying.

xPALERIDERx

apterous wrote: »

xPALERIDERx wrote: »

apterous wrote: »

you can level in pvp very much, it's just too low for your tastes. you want to get maxed out fast. that is your problem.

That is simply not true. If you actually play RvR you level at a drastically slower pace then the PvE counterpart. Now if you do the PvE quests in the RvR zone then you can manage to level at a decent rate (more comparable to leveling purely in PvE) but that's not exactly what the map was made for now was it?

read what i said again. i don't understand what you're saying.

You said "you can level in pvp very much".

First your lucky I could understand what you were trying to say. Second, that is not true. You can not "level in pvp very much".

acekilla13

+1 for this. I play this game for PVP period, not interested in story or quests. But the game keeps forcing me to play it. What happened to the Elder Scrolls design pillar of 'Play the game your way"????

Let me level up entirely through PVP please (like you originally promised)

Mothanos

Many people will not make it to V10 i can tell you that.

With the current state of the game with all its lag and still no EU servers and mass disconnections / infinite loading screens in Cyrodiil and ability lag or even complete lockouts / mass crashes when grouping etc etc etc

oh man this mmo is racing to free to play faster then SWTOR.
This is no debate if you like pve or pvp this is about being forced to play trough 2 faction campaings i have no interest in but to be on the ball i am forced to quest my brains out to enjoy pvp.

I had alot of fun from 1 to 50 and when the story ended i should have been ready for pvp.
But i gues Zenimax dint learn how 95% of the other sub based mmo failed ?
This mmo is way to shallow to be a sub mmo and they will feel it in May and the month after when most of the people had enough of this mmo and hop to the next best thing.

You need to be better then any other mmo on the market to keep people paying and playing and ESO is one big bug and lag infestation where we pay a damn sub to play a beta for them.
Seen any revieuws lately ? ESO is getting hammered into the ground and i dont even disagree with them.

I payed another month to see if they can turn it around, but if no EU servers and improvements by then its a /cancel sub and wait till it goes free to play.