PVP LEVELING! BRING! IT! BACK!

Imperator_Clydus

What I believe ZOS should have done, if they wanted to make this a daily, is increase the AP, EXP, and gold benefits for completing it. They could have even increased the kill requirement to match the adjusted numbers of the quest.

I do agree it was tedious and a chore to constantly go back and forth between battles and the bounty board. However, it was a critical part of the progression of AvA, not only for EXP and AP, but also gear, crafting, and investing in siege weaponry.

By changing this repeatable into a daily, ZOS unequivocally affected a variety of important progressions and systems in AvA. Especially if one is not on an active and bustling campaign with AP generating regularly, this slows down the entire foundation and incentive of AvA.

In order to make AvA a viable and fulfilling experience for those invested in this experience within ESO, ZOS needs to either further modify this new daily or add in something entirely different to replace it.

Custos91

As horses will go faster and faster the scout missions will be more viable in an instant^^

scarsreminder80

So a PvP player can get to max level without ever actually playing the game???

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!!

Ticare

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

So a PvP player can get to max level without ever actually playing the game???

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!!

Yeah because the countless amount of players who just AOE grinded mobs (the fastest way to level) now know everything about the storyline

RobIGod

Potential solution:

- increase XP gained based on player level from killing players.
- make exploration for groups more incentivised to access surrounding quests and dungeons in Cyrodiil.

joshisanonymous

I'm not sure how XP works for killing players, but I think it should be pointed out that you get as much AP for a solo player kill as you do for capturing a keep. I'd be surprised if it wasn't similar for XP. Although, maybe the argument is more than XP for killing players AND taking keeps is too low.

Personally, I don't really want to gain any regular XP through PvP. I went to PvP a couple times and saw people who were level 43 even. I'd be pretty upset if I got enough XP in PvP that nearly all the PvE content in the leveling areas was suddenly a joke. Not to mention, y'all are ultimately gonna want to PvE for skill points anyway. How many can you actually get purely from PvP? Doesn't seem like it'd be enough.

KiroElmarok

The people that are complaining about it @Kodiak‌ run around as level10-30 players. The fact you got that much ap and 250k vr xp is proof that leveling in pve is essential to quick leveling in pvp. Keep slaughtering noobs bro. Enjoy it while it lasts.

KiroElmarok

@Ticare‌
Its a shame. They missed out on a lot of skill points... and if they want them... they have to play through the pve.

So why grind mobs when you can have a ton of sp for passives...

Kodiak

@KiroElmarok don't be fooled, it's just as easy to kill higher level players as well. The real thing is in a few months when people figure out game mechanics and know what they're doing then it'll be interesting.

KiroElmarok

@Kodiak‌ I'm more excited then fooled.
I like the challenge of game mechanic knowledge being used to counter me.

(Also, I'm not VR yet.)

Kodiak

@KiroElmarok well if you really want a challenge and points/xp then go to a server you're underpopped on. I hang around Bloodthorn as a guest and the large throngs of inexperienced EP just give absurd XP and AP at any level.

KiroElmarok

@Kodiak sounds good, see you out there sometime.

GravityX19

The PvP devs are working on some QoL changes for PvP leveling, adding different options and possibly increasing XP from the daily until those options are ready. They hear us guys, just be a bit patient.

Jarnhand

1) The quest like it was, was gamebreaking for several reasons, and made people suicide run.
2) Exp in PvP like it is now IS low, its close to nothing.
3) The quest on a 24 hour timer is way way too long, should be something like 2 hours. 2 hours makes sense, would not be farming, and would at the same time make a difference.

kevlarto_ESO

I wish they would talk to us, I have to give ZOS a low score on keeping us informed, I know they are busy with launch and all, but maybe let us know if they plan to maybe change the quest a bit, maybe lower the exp, make it once per hour or up the count from 20 to 50 or even a hundred for the same amount of exp, just throw us a bone, I still have fun in cryodiil, and it was nice but I did think it was not intended to be like it was, I was not surprised they made it once per day.. I guess time will tell.. /shrug

Smayes97_ESO

/agree

Zershar_Vemod

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

So a PvP player can get to max level without ever actually playing the game???

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!!

I had no idea we had access to a second MMO! Cyrodiil Online should have been...oh wait, Cyrodiil IS actually part of the game...! God forbid people take breaks from PvE and enjoy some PvP and have the option to level up while doing it.

We were told we could level up the way we want, who the hell are you to tell anyone how to play?

Wolfaen

I would definitely like to see leveling through PvP a viable option again. Once they changed the kill 20 quest to daily, leveling in PvP is no longer an option like the promised it would be. I hope and assume that they are working on a solution to this as we speak, but it sucks at the moment because I can't progress my character through PvP like I had hoped. I can gain 1 level in about 5 hours of PvP, maybe even more, where others are gaining 5 levels in the same amount of time in PvE. It doesn't make sense to me.
Bring viable leveling in PvP BACK! Please!

Mothanos

Totaly agree with the OP....
you took away the only ways of leveling trough pvp contend, instead of making it half of what you can get trough questing you completely took away the only way to do so.
Instead you should have increased the kills and exp gains...

This was also done after early acces when people bought the game, i think this is not the way to handle this situation...
Dont get us wrong ! we love to quest but not as the only way to reach V10....
You even nerfed Dungeon exp ! 3 exp per mob....

I urge you Zenimax to reconsider this change before a mass exodus might occur...
Give people a choice to play the game they want !!! like you PROMISED in the video clip !!!

Give us more options to level up, we had alot of guild ops and they all died out as everyone is leveling main and alts trough quests....
There is almost no desire to make pvp ops now as people just want to reach V10.
Many people will get bored on their way...i just hope they dont uninstall the game out of boredom

xPALERIDERx

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

So a PvP player can get to max level without ever actually playing the game???

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!!

Those of us that bought this for RvR couldn't care less about the storyline. You need one to fight, we don't. It was advertised as a game with massive RvR and the ability to level throuh it. For a few days it certainly was. Now we are forced to do content we don't like or care about. Enjoy your story. I play games for fun and that is where my fun is.

NTclaymore

personally I would like to see more exp-gain in Cyrodiil aswell. There was a dev-video where we were promised that leveling would be possible in PvP. the zone itself got alot of PvE content but agree on there sould be more exp for just plain PvPing. I like the storyline and will PvE anyway but i see your point

NoMoreChillies

Rykoth wrote: »

You mean that removed a cheap way to level up and people are complaining that it they can no longer level from 10-50 in a couple of days? GASP THE HORROR GAME BALANCE IS THE DEVIL.

Who in their right minds plays an Elder Scrolls game without the urge to explore and quest?

Just wait until you want to level an ult, or 3, that storyline and questing will get boring after 3+ attempts.

Anyhow, since PVP players dont affect PVE players, what do you care? in fact PVE players get buffs from the success of PVP players. If PVP players leave because they cannot gain reasonable XP for their efforts, then your buffs go with them. Think about that before you spout off.

Mothanos

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!! [/quote]

Lets see once the free month is over and a mass exodus begins and ESO can start to implement pay to enjoy / free to play format.
The game is buggy, classes are buggy, random bans on legit players.
On each and ever forum ESO is getting burned down to the ground....

I can manage to get to V10 on my main, but no way in hell i do that again trough the same quests.
The dropoff from current mmo's is HUGE compared to the old days.
If you dont give people options to play the way they want to they /uninstall /cancel sub.

I am having a great time still, but i am not blind either.
No way io want to see another studio fall flat on their face due to mistakes they could have prevented.

But nerfing that pvp quest and make it a daily was a stupid decision / nerfing the dungeon exp is also a stupid decision.
You know people are paying to play this game and those features were in beta and in the early acces days.
When people bought the game already, now these features are gone.....thats alot of pissed off people.

They still might have fun ! but we already see pvp players miles behind the players that grind quests, there are already many V5+ players in AvA while pvp players are mostly around level 20 / 40.
If Zenimax refuse to intervene and give players more options to level then i have a bad feeling these players will stick trough it for another few months.

Remember that all sub based games went free to play within 6 months.....dont let ESO be one of them for the love of god...

Marstar

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

So a PvP player can get to max level without ever actually playing the game???

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!!

Yeah, because PvEing is "playing the game" like hitting a ball *with a racquet* against a wall is "playing tennis"

Gisgo

scarsreminder80 wrote: »

So a PvP player can get to max level without ever actually playing the game???

HELL NO!! Try actually understanding the storyline so you understand why you are in a war zone fighting each other to begin with!!

Implying doing PvP is not "playing the game".

Because of course if you dont like it/do it, nobody else should.

Censorious

Personally, I don't want to play the PvE game.
I have zero interest in the Elder Scrolls, either the franchise itself. the previous single-player games, the crafting, the exploration, the dungeons or the lore.

I bought the game so that I could play the PvP game. I like it's mechanics, it's class-design and the graphic implementation. They are superior in my eyes to any other game on the market.

Where it sucks is the absolute insistence, both by the players and the designers that you cannot play the PvP game unless you wade through the tedious, banal and quite frankly juvenile spew that is PvE (no offence).

OtarTheMad

While I do agree to a certain degree I also disagree as well. You can level in PvP but not everyone is willing to do it. You can clear anchors, dungeon dive, explore and discover places, kill other players, plus the battle, war and scout missions help too. I did a good amount of leveling with just the first three alone.

beravinprb19_ESO

OtarTheMad wrote: »

While I do agree to a certain degree I also disagree as well. You can level in PvP but not everyone is willing to do it. You can clear anchors, dungeon dive, explore and discover places, kill other players, plus the battle, war and scout missions help too. I did a good amount of leveling with just the first three alone.

People want to level from PvP activities, and not from the PvE that just happens to be in the same zone. Other than the entertainment itself, you get nothing of value out of PvP.

OtarTheMad

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

While I do agree to a certain degree I also disagree as well. You can level in PvP but not everyone is willing to do it. You can clear anchors, dungeon dive, explore and discover places, kill other players, plus the battle, war and scout missions help too. I did a good amount of leveling with just the first three alone.

People want to level from PvP activities, and not from the PvE that just happens to be in the same zone.

That's completely understandable but then those same people can't say that you can't level in PvP because you can, at least to a point anyway.

beravinprb19_ESO

OtarTheMad wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

While I do agree to a certain degree I also disagree as well. You can level in PvP but not everyone is willing to do it. You can clear anchors, dungeon dive, explore and discover places, kill other players, plus the battle, war and scout missions help too. I did a good amount of leveling with just the first three alone.

People want to level from PvP activities, and not from the PvE that just happens to be in the same zone.

That's completely understandable but then those same people can't say that you can't level in PvP because you can, at least to a point anyway.

Actually, I still disagree. You can level doing PvE stuff in the zone, sure, but that is still not PvP. Besides, in all the hours I have spent in PvP, I have never leveled. Not even once. No, if I want anything, from experience, to equipment, to soul gems, I have to PvE for it.