Have you ever seen decent skillful "healer" in the random PUG team?

AvalonRanger

It is really rare case to meet "reliable real tank" in the PUG dungeon. But meeting "real healer"
is more rare case in PUG dungeon from my experience. How often can you meet decent healer in the PUG dungeon?
(including veteran dungeon)

Soarora

Several times.

I don’t really pay attention to every aspect of everyone else, mostly just myself. But I do notice when my sustain is sustaining/if I’m getting orbs and I have multiple times gotten guildmate healers in pugs.

TybaltKaine

Several times.

I usually am the healer, so I can't really say. I only have one healer build, and it's the same I use for Vet Trials. So, yeah, when I pug, I heal as well as I would in a trial.

wilykcat

Several times.

Definitely yes.

Katheriah

Several times.

I used to PUG with my healer, but it's Russian roulette. I met so many bad DD's that my healer often did more DPS.

If I'd use the queue nowadays, I'd be a fake heal because of all the fake DD's using groupfinder. I can't be bothered though so I befriended actual DD's.

NeuroticPixels

Several times.

Whether players queue for “fake” roles or not on Normal doesn’t bother me in the slightest as long as everyone works together and doesn’t complain about a death or two. I never fake queue because i don’t feel the need to rush the dungeon queue. I’ll get in when i get in, or create a guild group. 🤷‍♀️

As far as Veteran goes… players really shouldn’t fake queue. Some of those dungeons are hard enough as it is without having to pick up someone’s slack.

Stick together, be kind and aware, and be lighthearted. It’ll make any dungeon of any difficulty so much more enjoyable.

karthrag_inak

Several times.

Every time khajiit has pugged vet dungeons as dps he has always have skilled an pleasant healers who have kept him alive despite his best efforts at dying. This has been staggeringly consistent over the past 5 or 6 years. Kind of frightening - is almost as if queue understands "oh no, it's -that- khajiit again, put best healer on it!"

When this one pugs vets as tank, he almost always gets cp 50-140 folks who are wearing prophet's gear and not sure which direction to run.

This one does not know if he should be insulted or flattered.

AvalonRanger

Only 1 or 2. But it's mostly fake or useless healer.

I used to be tank main player. 95% of the healer of PUG team is almost fake or useless.

the1andonlyskwex

As someone who pretty much only queues as a healer (mostly in vet dungeons) I'm not really qualified to answer the question.

That said, a major challenge when queueing as a healer is that something like 50% of PuGs don't really need a healer at all (usually because of sky high unbuffed DPS), 30% mainly need a 3rd DD (because their DPS is so low buffing won't help), 10% need a whole bunch of actual healing (because of standing in stupid), and a final 10% want (but don't really need) damage/sustain buffs. This makes it really hard to have a build that's good for everyone.

I tend to compromise by running a DD/healer hybrid build, but I'm sure that disappoints some people because I have fewer group buffs than they're used to in their organized trials runs.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I usually am the healer, so I can't really say. I only have one healer build, and it's the same I use for Vet Trials. So, yeah, when I pug, I heal as well as I would in a trial.

This is me too. The only time I play a different role in dungeons is if I’m running with guildies who already have a healer, and that’s rare.

Blood_again

Several times.

I guess many people in PUG can miss the healer's work because they don't look at it specially.
It is close to the job of computer server administrator: nobody knows about your work when it is nicely done, people notice the difference only if it is failed

I usually can see how a healer works while working as a tank.
For normals and nonDLC vets: More than a half of them are just fakes. Many of the rest limit their work with a few hots and just do damage in spare time. About 5% summary put synergy on tank. The same 5% buff dd with something.
For DLC vets the % of buff and synergy providers is about 60%. Many of them used ults in time, were situatonaly aware and could save the group in critical moment if necessary.

Interesting fact: many of dedicated healers with synergy and buffs in normals were 30-49 lvl, not champions. Maybe vets upped their alts or something like that IDK.

Actually, if you want to meet a good healer in random group - queue to vet DLC. You'll find gold. Sometimes not

XSTRONG

Several times.

I havent played any dungeons for 2 months but before that I saw good healers often

Dragonredux

Several times.

Stop pugging normal and you'll see plenty of healers.

svendf

In normal dungeons you will often see healers leveling, and 95% of the time dd´s with a restro staff.

There is no reason to enter a normal dungeon, as long speedrunners, skipers and other fakes are overfloding, those dungeons.

The best to do is to stay out of them (even vet).

preevious

Several times.

I only play veteran, and most healers there range from decent to top notch.
The occasionnal fake healer scum is there too, though, sometimes.

But yes, in veteran, the lack of quality healer/tank is less of a problem. I do my random in vet, now, for that reason.

Calastir

Several times.

Just me, myself and I.

More often than not I have to fill in for tank and DD as well.

Reverb

I initially felt called out by this, as a true healer.

Then I remembered that nobody sees me in the queue because I stopped running group content since U35. I still think of myself as a healer and I really need to let go of it.

AcadianPaladin

Several times.

I pug as a real healer, so yeah. . . .

Jaimeh

I think a 'good healer' means different things for different groups; for eg., I prefer healers that do more buffing/debuffing than actual healing and also have damage skills slotted for off-dpsing (which is how I play my own healer characters as well), and generally having a rotation and decent APM, and I don't see many healers like that at all in random PUGs, only in organized groups. To be fair though you only need healers like that for pushing harder content, which is not usually the case for PUGs, so it makes sense you don't see them often in these groups.

Lozeenge

Several times.

I usually run into more bad DPS than I do bad healers...

boi_anachronism_

Several times.

Absolutely. I ran into one the other night in Vmf. I see it a lot it vet dlcs. Not much in notmals though.

alay_NB

Only 1 or 2. But it's mostly fake or useless healer.

Yes. When I come as a healer.

But I leave when the tank is fake.

Alienoutlaw

Several times.

usually me, unless i'm tanking or dps lol

peacenote

Several times.

I run pugs much more rarely since AwA, as I have less of a reason to run dungeons except in curated groups to accomplish a specific task, but I absolutely have run into real healers besides myself in this way.

tmbrinks

I stopped pugging dungeons because when I queued as a healer or tank (in "appropriate" setups for the content) I would usually be doing 30-50% of the group damage, using 3 or 4 skills that do damage in total.

They were painful, slow, and a complete turnoff from queuing. I'll run 1/10th the dungeons, but do them with friends for an enjoyable experience.

And the second you even think about mentioning to a "Damage Dealer" that actually using skills instead of just bow light attacking will do more damage... you're either going to get a forum thread, falsely reported, or both... and I'm just not frankly risking my account for players who have no intent on actually improving at their role.

The last time I pugged on my tank, we had to kill 12 Daedroths on the final boss of BCII... and there were still 8 alive when he finally died. I was doing 40% of the damage. Group damage was 12k.

Never again.