Please disable Negates in cyrodiil or add in a skill that punishes stam users

joseayalac

Magicka isn't blue stamina
Stamina isn't green magicka

There's a flavor behind each resource, it's a thematic game.

FrankonPC

Holycannoli wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Go ahead and add a stam negate. Nobody will use it.

Maybe in coordinated groups with negate + stam negate?

I don't exactly know how stam negate would work. Would it just prevent stam skills but still allow all dodging and breaking free?

it just wouldn't matter because the point of negate is typically stop healing ults/strong healing skills like radiating regeneration to wipe large groups. if stam had the more powerful group heal skills/off healing skills then a stam negate would be more effective.

in the current state of the game it's just not going to be the preferable morph.

danwtayl

I've felt for awhile now that negate was lopsided and needs adjustments. They way I would do it would be to negate all healings so it's equally disruptive for all.

Thrasher91604

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Go ahead and add a stam negate. Nobody will use it.

It’s not exploitable enough for you?

Flangdoodle

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

Seriously, I mean it's not like there's magic in this gam... oh, wait...

danno8

drsalvation wrote: »

It would be nice in some way, but to be fair, blocking, sprinting, roll-dodging, breaking free, that all costs stamina.
If I stun you and you break free, you still have all your magic, if you stun me and I break free, I'm out of stamina.
No need for a negate skill, you just need to CC stam users.

Ummm, if you stun a magicka build they will have all their magicka yes, but will likely lose half or more of their stamina if they break free.

If you stun a stamina build they will also have all of their magicka left, and still have lots of stamina since they generally have a larger stamina pool to begin with.

Since hybridization is now a thing and everyone generally has way more balanced pools in PvP I don't think having Negate affect all skills (but allowing core skills of course) is that far fetched an idea.

Kahnak

"As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight."

Gee, imagine that.

If 5 different players drop an ultimate on you at the same time then you should probably die.

El_Borracho

This is the first time in a very, very long time I have seen complaints about stamina characters being OP in Cyrodiil. I think the last time might have been stam necros and then maybe stam wardens before that. But in that gap, sorcs, magplars, mag necros, mag DKs, and even the magblade have ruled the earth.

Negate is negate. Its meant for use against magicka players. Just as cc's and snares have a larger impact on stamina players than mag players. So now you want an AOE that prevents someone from using stamina? Stop. Everyone dies in Cyrodiil. Even the stamina players. In fact, USUALLY the stamina players.

Thrasher91604

Ha what are you smoking.

zaria

Kahnak wrote: »

"As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight."

Gee, imagine that.

If 5 different players drop an ultimate on you at the same time then you should probably die.

For some reason an coordinated attack from multiple enemies tend to kill you.

wolfie1.0.

I may be a pvp noob but last time I checked you can sprint, roll dodge or walk out of a negate... and either force the player out of the bubble or range them till its gone..

Or am I wrong and negate in pvp covers the whole map these days?

Wolfpaw

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Solariken wrote: »

A disarm skill/ultimate is long overdue. But since ZOS hates adding new skills it will probably just be some gimmick set.

Agree, Wildstar had it and it was fun.

You could disarm an enemy for X seconds, time reduced if they ran to their weapon(s) to pick them up. It worked on all weapon types though, not just melee.

wolfie1.0.

Wolfpaw wrote: »

ZOS makes

Solariken wrote: »

A disarm skill/ultimate is long overdue. But since ZOS hates adding new skills it will probably just be some gimmick set.

Agree, Wildstar had it and it was fun.

You could disarm an enemy for X seconds, time reduced if they ran to their weapon(s) to pick them up. It worked on all weapon types though, not just melee.

Why bother making it a skill when the system will randomly do it to you anyway?

katanagirl1

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

I believe OP is asking the very same question and suggesting we implement the answer.

My point is that you can’t stop a swinging melee weapon. Silence stops the spells for magicka users, but you can still light attack.

I agree with others, it’s hard enough for stam builds that have to be in your face to hit you, making it harder would be even more unfair.

kypranb14_ESO

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

Blind I believe was the closest thing to Silence I could think of in the old Final Fantasy games. It's been a long time though, I could be wrong.

redlink1979

FluffWit wrote: »

(...) Why not have a stam version of negate? (...)

Because we don't need it.

HumbleThaumaturge

I totally agree: We need a Negate Stamina. At the very least, Cyrodiil NPCs should be able to cast Negate Stamina.

See my old discussion on this topic from June 2021: Dear ZOS: Isn't time for a "Negate Stamina" ability?

http:/https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/578035/dear-zos-isnt-time-for-a-negate-stamina-ability/p1/

deleted221205-002626

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

I totally agree: We need a Negate Stamina. At the very least, Cyrodiil NPCs should be able to cast Negate Stamina.

See my old discussion on this topic:
http:/https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/578035/dear-zos-isnt-time-for-a-negate-stamina-ability/p1/

Im not sure what this even means? Are you saying you need additional support generating ultimate on stamsorc? Or want to negate melee light/heavy attacks?

Thrasher91604

I’m pretty sure it’s just for skills/ults/synergies, not light nor heavy attacks.

Amottica

Just have someone in your negate their negate or move out of it.

EdmondDontes

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

I totally agree: We need a Negate Stamina. At the very least, Cyrodiil NPCs should be able to cast Negate Stamina.

See my old discussion on this topic from June 2021: Dear ZOS: Isn't time for a "Negate Stamina" ability?

http:/https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/578035/dear-zos-isnt-time-for-a-negate-stamina-ability/p1/

Should we also reduce the range of staves to 5 meters just to be fair?

Jimboo84

RaikaNA wrote: »

Or at least add or modify a skill that blocks people from using any kind of stamina skills for a duration of time like what negates do with Magicka users... theirs absolutely NO skills that punish stam players right now in PvP.

As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight.

Where is the love for magika users in cyrodiil? Why can you only block magicka players from using skills and not touch stam players?

This is why I'm no longer playing a Magicka character, ZOS pushes all people towards STAM. Soon everyone is using stamina and the battles are endless. Kinda boring actually

EdmondDontes

Jimboo84 wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

Or at least add or modify a skill that blocks people from using any kind of stamina skills for a duration of time like what negates do with Magicka users... theirs absolutely NO skills that punish stam players right now in PvP.

As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight.

Where is the love for magika users in cyrodiil? Why can you only block magicka players from using skills and not touch stam players?

This is why I'm no longer playing a Magicka character, ZOS pushes all people towards STAM. Soon everyone is using stamina and the battles are endless. Kinda boring actually

Yet the magicka versions of every class remain stronger than the stamina versions, they're just a little bit harder to play well is all.

AinSoph

Aardappelboom wrote: »

I just want to point out that rolling, dodging and breaking free all cost a fair amount of stamina.

There's plenty of ways to drain stamina in Cyrodiil, not to mention a few poisons that have similar effects.

Stamina also almost always needs to get up close and personal, which means sprinting in and out combat is a must, also a stamina based skill.

When we're out of stamina, we die, by default. At least you can block, dodge or roll when magica is depleted, if you're ranged you can throw in a few heavy attacks to recover from a distance.

I don't think any punishment is needed for stamina.

It's easy to say this in a vacuum but in an actual scenario, a mag user that has to do any of those things with a stam user right on them will die extremely fast.

Dragonlord573

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

Atrophy.

YoWombat

I think Negate needs a bit of an overhaul or rework in general. In PVE it used to remove ALL effects from the floor, and stun ALL non-boss enemies. Over time they have added more and more exceptions, to the point that now there is no way to tell which enemies or abilities will be affected by it and which won't. It is totally inconsistent and unreliable.

katanagirl1

AinSoph wrote: »

Aardappelboom wrote: »

I just want to point out that rolling, dodging and breaking free all cost a fair amount of stamina.

There's plenty of ways to drain stamina in Cyrodiil, not to mention a few poisons that have similar effects.

Stamina also almost always needs to get up close and personal, which means sprinting in and out combat is a must, also a stamina based skill.

When we're out of stamina, we die, by default. At least you can block, dodge or roll when magica is depleted, if you're ranged you can throw in a few heavy attacks to recover from a distance.

I don't think any punishment is needed for stamina.

It's easy to say this in a vacuum but in an actual scenario, a mag user that has to do any of those things with a stam user right on them will die extremely fast.

Maybe, but the stam user has to work a whole lot harder to get there than a magicka user.

MasterSpatula

Ball group player detected.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Negate should do both Mag and Stam these days. After all Hybridisation should apply everywhere
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