Please disable Negates in cyrodiil or add in a skill that punishes stam users

RaikaNA

Or at least add or modify a skill that blocks people from using any kind of stamina skills for a duration of time like what negates do with Magicka users... theirs absolutely NO skills that punish stam players right now in PvP.

As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight.

Where is the love for magika users in cyrodiil? Why can you only block magicka players from using skills and not touch stam players?

geonsocal

katanagirl1

How do you silence a melee weapon?

Aardappelboom

I just want to point out that rolling, dodging and breaking free all cost a fair amount of stamina.

There's plenty of ways to drain stamina in Cyrodiil, not to mention a few poisons that have similar effects.

Stamina also almost always needs to get up close and personal, which means sprinting in and out combat is a must, also a stamina based skill.

When we're out of stamina, we die, by default. At least you can block, dodge or roll when magica is depleted, if you're ranged you can throw in a few heavy attacks to recover from a distance.

I don't think any punishment is needed for stamina.

Extinct_Solo_Player

RaikaNA wrote: »

Or at least add or modify a skill that blocks people from using any kind of stamina skills for a duration of time like what negates do with Magicka users... theirs absolutely NO skills that punish stam players right now in PvP.

As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight.

Where is the love for magika users in cyrodiil? Why can you only block magicka players from using skills and not touch stam players?

FluffWit

Eh it's easy to mae fun of this guy but he has a point.

Why not have a stam version of negate? Could be fun. Just switch the damage dealing morph to a negate stam morph.

Treeshka

With all the hybridization going on it might be a good idea to make negate actually negate all skills or certain type of skills instead of just silencing Magicka and Ultimate skills.

ESO_Nightingale

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

break the users arms?

Jamie_Aubrey

ZOS have and NEVER cared about MAGIC, look at all the trailers etc, everyone is a stam user

Thrasher91604

Negate should disable stamina skills. There is no reason for the lack of symmetry.

proprio.meb16_ESO

Lol, except theres actually no symmetry as stamina is also used to run around... the idea of a negate on it is quite weird

SkaraMinoc

Multiple players with Earthgore won't purge the same Negate. The solution is to have more of your healers run Earthgore.

Or are you running solo? In that case there's no reason multiple players shouldn't be able to Negate you just as there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to Leap, Dawnbreaker, Colossus, etc.

This is a non-issue.

EdmondDontes

RaikaNA wrote: »

Or at least add or modify a skill that blocks people from using any kind of stamina skills for a duration of time like what negates do with Magicka users... theirs absolutely NO skills that punish stam players right now in PvP.

As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight.

Where is the love for magika users in cyrodiil? Why can you only block magicka players from using skills and not touch stam players?

Please stop. Magic users have all kinds of things in their toolboxes stam users don't have access to. And only sorcs can negate....which is a magic skill. Of all the things in PvP to complain about......how to you propose dealing with a ball group without negate when negate is the only option in most cases?

Aardappelboom

EdmondDontes wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

Or at least add or modify a skill that blocks people from using any kind of stamina skills for a duration of time like what negates do with Magicka users... theirs absolutely NO skills that punish stam players right now in PvP.

As a magicka player, I find it unplayable when theirs a group of enemies that has 5 sorcs in the group, and they all throw down negates on me... essentially paralyzing me (stunning me,etc) from using any kind of skills .... killing me on sight.

Where is the love for magika users in cyrodiil? Why can you only block magicka players from using skills and not touch stam players?

Please stop. Magic users have all kinds of things in their toolboxes stam users don't have access to. And only sorcs can negate....which is a magic skill. Of all the things in PvP to complain about......how to you propose dealing with a ball group without negate when negate is the only option in most cases?

Agreed, people tend to oversee moveability, range, general class strategies when asking for nerfs or buffs or skill changes.

These skills aren't in a vacuum, you use them in combination with core combat skills and other class skills and passives and need to be balanced taking that into account.

Nord_Raseri

Pretty sure @Aardappelboom dropped the mic. Any argument for stam morph has been effectively negated

emilyhyoyeon

They could rework the ''useless'' nightblade shadow ult to disable stamina stuff XD

L_Nici

Pff, if anything negate should be buffed against Magicka. Maybe even increase the radius as the speed in Cyrodiil leads to people being out of the cast area, before its even animated. Especially Ballgroups are annoying [snip] because of it. Negate would be their counter if they wouldn't be so insanely fast.

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Wolfpaw

In a past mmorpg pvp disarm was a helpful skill against melee, enemy would drop their weapon(s) for X seconds.

phaneub17_ESO

I like how its also the only ultimate that can totally make another ultimate go away. Doesn't work on every ultimate, but some like the Dragon Knight Standard can be completely removed the moment its dropped by dropping the bubble on top of it.

Solariken

A disarm skill/ultimate is long overdue. But since ZOS hates adding new skills it will probably just be some gimmick set.

edward_frigidhands

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

I believe OP is asking the very same question and suggesting we implement the answer.

Tommy_The_Gun

I kinda understand OP point, but it would be busted [snip], because you will have players making a combo with negate and you won't be able to use any ability whatsoever lol. Not that balance matters much as often skills / potions / break free / roll dodge etc. cease to work anyway on its own...

Negate is very powerful ultimate, but at the same time it is very niche. Very effective against ball groups if used correctly. It got me thinking. Remember how ZOS added fear to Turn Evil ? They said that Fear CC is an essential counter to blocking and should not be a class exclusive skill. Previously only NBs or Necros had it. If you wanted it badly - you had to wear a set that provided Fear CC.

I think nowadays Negate is in similar spot. It kinda sucks when there is a ball group near and you can not do anything, just because you are not a Sorc / there are no Sorcs near or they don't have negate slotted. Just like fear CC, something similar to negate should be added to world / guild skill line imho.

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Browiseth

i always thought one of the intended benefits and draws of using stam skills is that they cannot be silenced

i guess it's all fun and games until you actually get killed by one, then it's just broken and unbalanced

EnerG

katanagirl1 wrote: »

How do you silence a melee weapon?

Could add a fatigue debuff, wont stop the cast but could increase cost of skills by 50%

Four_Fingers

The npc guards have the dreaded yellow bubble.
Which would be horrible if players had it. lol

NordSwordnBoard

Why can't I use necrotic potency under a negate? it doesn't cost magic or stam! Unplayable...

drsalvation

It would be nice in some way, but to be fair, blocking, sprinting, roll-dodging, breaking free, that all costs stamina.
If I stun you and you break free, you still have all your magic, if you stun me and I break free, I'm out of stamina.
No need for a negate skill, you just need to CC stam users.

FENGRUSH

Go ahead and add a stam negate. Nobody will use it.

Holycannoli

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Go ahead and add a stam negate. Nobody will use it.

Maybe in coordinated groups with negate + stam negate?

I don't exactly know how stam negate would work. Would it just prevent stam skills but still allow all dodging and breaking free?

xDeusEJRx

I don't see the point in all honesty. Negate is only good for flag defending and nothing else. Or negate dark convergence combo'ing people. In any other fight people where people don't need to stack in one area, they will just walk out.

The amount of people who run and hide in this game's pvp makes negate near useless in most situations. I'd much rather see them add a morph of negate that allows you to shift it like how dragonknight standard has a moveable morph

Didgerion

I stay away from big group battles, so negate barely affects my mag sorc.
But it affects me when the guards cast it while I take resources and keeps.
It is quite annoying which would be ok if all would be treated the same. But as OP mentioned stamina builds get a free pass, which I think it is kind of discriminatory.

Probably it should be converted to negate healing instead of negate magic, but I know PVE community is not gonna like it.