Why do you dislike the new feature: Tales of tribute card game?

Narvuntien

I think development time could've been spent on something else more important or another better feature.

I mean I love card games so I am sure I'll like it. The issue is that I don't see how it interacts with the actual main game in any way.

In a similar way, antiquities felt like a random mini-game that was disconnected from the actual game. But with mythic items antiquities actually had a large impact on the balance of the game, In some ways good by diversifying builds and in other ways bad in they are difficult to balance.

I just feel like development time could be better spent on game balance or something that would actually change the game like a new skill line or class.

N00BxV1

All/some of the above (please, comment which ones).

Listing the "All" option in order:

1. "I don't play/like card games."
2. "I think development time could've been spent on something else more important or another better feature."
3. "It doesn't feel like it should be a full main new feature."
4. "I think this is gonna be another cash grab and pay-to-win."
5. "I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game."

My thoughts (not all related to the options):

I don't like card games, or other mini-games for that matter. If I wanted to play one then I'd play a full-on card game and not a half-baked feature thrown in because reasons. And I highly doubt they'd change anything considering feedback because they're already invested into it.

This content was in development long before they announced the "new" performance fixes. I'd bet that announcement was more crowd control than anything and probably has nothing to do with lack of content being offered. It's telling that the announcement came right after an incident. Why do pitchforks have to be raised just to get a response about where their goals are for the state of the game.

The pandemic being used is just a cop-out at this point. Yeah, times have been tough. And it's been tough on everyone, the businesses as well as the customers. Why is the customer supposed to be understanding of a business having hard times if the business can't understand that their customers are also having hard times. The businesses say that they can't offer the same quality services and products that they used to, but also expect their customers to pay the same or more for less offered...

We've been told year after year that they would be fixing the game's performance and the plethora of bugs, but here we are being shown the same old song and dance again. It's amusing and frustrating watching people every year get hyped hoping the game will finally get some fixes. Let's see if they stick to their words this time... But a "card game" is not enough to keep me invested while we wait. Times are tough, after all.

SydneyGrey

I don't play/like card games.

I think a card game would have been received better if it had been a minor part of a DLC later in the year. Being marketed as a major part of an expensive expansion instead of having a new skill line, weapon, class or race is what made people upset.

DreamyLu

Other (please, comment why).

I don't tell it's wrong or right to have a card game inside ESO, just, I'm in ESO to play a MMORPG and I have zero interest to deviate from content for a game inside the game, even more as I have not enough time already for the "standard" content. So... That's a case of "no way" for me.

blktauna

I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.

Honestly I am wholly uninterested in a card game.

I have plenty of actual game play to do vs this. I still have toons that haven't fished yet, let alone collected a zone's fish. I have questlines still outstanding. Don't have time for this card playing stuff.

BazOfWar

I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.

This is an mmorpg not solitaire, and as someone else has said it's to distract us from the other glaring issues that to be quite honest they haven't got a clue how to fix. This and the fact they are sceptical about adding anything major because the game is already on its knees performance wise.

hands0medevil

Other (please, comment why).

TESL

jerek95

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

I'm gonna bet with everyone that said that Tales of Tribute is going to be pay to win. I'll pay you 5k crowns if, let's say within 6 months post release, there will be availibity to aquire cards either directly from crown store for crowns or via lootboxes.
Anyone so certain that it's going to be pay to win to actually bet on it?
Hell, I'll even wager diamonds versus nuts - I'll give you 5k crowns if you are right and you'll give me 1k crowns if I'm right.
So, who's brave enough? Who is so certain in his/her criticism of ZOS?

I'll just say this - there is absolutely no chance that ZOS is ever going to make Tales of Tribute pay to win or either acquire cards via real money. 2 reasons: we havent seen any chapter feature yet being sold or upgraded for real money (antiquities, companions for example). Second - the deck is going to be shuffled so your possible paid cards can go to non-paying player - you can even not draw any of your OP cards and they would all go to your opponent so it's absolutely not reasonable to implement pay to win in this form.

Ok, lads - bet with me, please.

Jaraal

I think development time could've been spent on something else more important or another better feature.

Imagine if all the devs working on the new card game were working to fix long standing bugs and performance issues!

Sorced

All/some of the above (please, comment which ones).

1. I don't play/like card games.
- They're a completely different genre.

2. I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.
- This is especially true given the fact that they will lock transmutes behind the card game. If it was just a meaningless minigame with no connection to the rest of the game it would be fine.

3. I think development time could've been spent on something else more important or another better feature.
- Self-explanatory.

4. It doesn't feel like it should be a full main new feature.
- $40 is way too steep for a new zone and a CCG.

Hurbster

I think development time could've been spent on something else more important or another better feature.

Seems awfully thin to be the main selling point of a chapter.

TelvanniWizard

All/some of the above (please, comment which ones).

If I wanted to play a card game I´d play EDH, thank you.
It will probably be a cash grab or a grind.
It should have never been the main chapter feature. We need skill lines, classes, meaningful new systems, not a mini-game.

BXR_Lonestar

I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.

Basically, I play ESO to play ESO, not play a mini-game within ESO.

cyclonus11

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

Potentially excited, though I'd like to see how additional cards are acquired in-game before I judge.

Danikat

I think this is gonna be another cash grab and pay-to-win.

jerek95 wrote: »

I'll just say this - there is absolutely no chance that ZOS is ever going to make Tales of Tribute pay to win or either acquire cards via real money. 2 reasons: we havent seen any chapter feature yet being sold or upgraded for real money (antiquities, companions for example). Second - the deck is going to be shuffled so your possible paid cards can go to non-paying player - you can even not draw any of your OP cards and they would all go to your opponent so it's absolutely not reasonable to implement pay to win in this form.

Have they actually given enough information on how it works to tell us things like this? Especially the part in bold.

ZOS called it a 'deck building game', that usually means something like Magic the Gathering, Pokemon cards, Netrunner etc. where each player has their own deck which they can customise ahead of the game and cards are not shared between players.

Other than the initial announcement and the couple of sentences currently on the main site I've not seen any information on how exactly the game works - either while playing it or how cards will be obtained - so I don't see how we can know this deck building game will be different to all the others and both players will share 1 deck.

Sylvermynx

All/some of the above (please, comment which ones).

@Danikat - there are various posts mentioning it in the official reveal thread, but I don't know where the info came from originally unless it was part of the "afterstream" with Gina; don't know, don't watch streams.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

Danikat wrote: »

jerek95 wrote: »

I'll just say this - there is absolutely no chance that ZOS is ever going to make Tales of Tribute pay to win or either acquire cards via real money. 2 reasons: we havent seen any chapter feature yet being sold or upgraded for real money (antiquities, companions for example). Second - the deck is going to be shuffled so your possible paid cards can go to non-paying player - you can even not draw any of your OP cards and they would all go to your opponent so it's absolutely not reasonable to implement pay to win in this form.

Have they actually given enough information on how it works to tell us things like this? Especially the part in bold.

Didn’t the stream mention that we’d be selecting a deck from each player and then combining them?

fizl101

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

jerek95 wrote: »

I'll just say this - there is absolutely no chance that ZOS is ever going to make Tales of Tribute pay to win or either acquire cards via real money. 2 reasons: we havent seen any chapter feature yet being sold or upgraded for real money (antiquities, companions for example). Second - the deck is going to be shuffled so your possible paid cards can go to non-paying player - you can even not draw any of your OP cards and they would all go to your opponent so it's absolutely not reasonable to implement pay to win in this form.

Have they actually given enough information on how it works to tell us things like this? Especially the part in bold.

Didn’t the stream mention that we’d be selecting a deck from each player and then combining them?

Yes it was mentioned on the reveal stream itself, that a newer player wouldn't be disadvantaged playing against an experienced player as their decks would be shuffled together then dealt out

Danikat

I think this is gonna be another cash grab and pay-to-win.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

jerek95 wrote: »

I'll just say this - there is absolutely no chance that ZOS is ever going to make Tales of Tribute pay to win or either acquire cards via real money. 2 reasons: we havent seen any chapter feature yet being sold or upgraded for real money (antiquities, companions for example). Second - the deck is going to be shuffled so your possible paid cards can go to non-paying player - you can even not draw any of your OP cards and they would all go to your opponent so it's absolutely not reasonable to implement pay to win in this form.

Have they actually given enough information on how it works to tell us things like this? Especially the part in bold.

Didn’t the stream mention that we’d be selecting a deck from each player and then combining them?

I wasn't able to watch the stream but I've not seen that (or any other details of what the game actually involves) mentioned anywhere else.

If that's the case though then it's good news for me because it means I don't have to waste my time chasing down cards in order for the mini game to be playable, which was my big concern about the whole thing. I can just play it with whatever cards happen to be included at the time.

Every collectable card game or deck building game I've played ends up taking more time to get cards and put a deck/strategy together than actually playing and while I appreciate that can be fun for some people if they're really into the game (I know people who look forward to going to conventions to hunt for and trade Magic the Gathering cards almost more than they look forward to playing it) that would be a lot for a mini game. I'd much prefer something that can be picked up almost on impulse as and when I feel like it.

Lady_Galadhiel

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

Love card games and this feature did catch my attention far much more than the previous years.

Arunei

AJones43865 wrote: »

This years global reveal, in total, convinced me that ZOS is winding down it's investment into ESO and they aren't going back. If you look at how over the last couple years new content has been getting smaller and smaller and is less related to the original base game, with essentially all content, mounts etc. being a reskinned version of things we already have, it appears ZOS is on track to cease all investments into ESO in a couple years or so. I am now wholly convinced that ZOS is not investing anything into ESO they don't absolutely have to and it's unlikely they are making the investments required to fix any performance issues. I'd like to be wrong, but based on the evidence I am not.

I mean, this year even one of the 'perks' for pre-ordering the collectors bundle is an emote that we already have. ??? (/ownthrone is not new)

If ZOS was planning on abandoning the game, they wouldn't be spending the year reworking base code to finally fix PvP. People have been saying the game is dying or going to be closed ever since the game was released.

Danikat

I think this is gonna be another cash grab and pay-to-win.

Arunei wrote: »

AJones43865 wrote: »

This years global reveal, in total, convinced me that ZOS is winding down it's investment into ESO and they aren't going back. If you look at how over the last couple years new content has been getting smaller and smaller and is less related to the original base game, with essentially all content, mounts etc. being a reskinned version of things we already have, it appears ZOS is on track to cease all investments into ESO in a couple years or so. I am now wholly convinced that ZOS is not investing anything into ESO they don't absolutely have to and it's unlikely they are making the investments required to fix any performance issues. I'd like to be wrong, but based on the evidence I am not.

I mean, this year even one of the 'perks' for pre-ordering the collectors bundle is an emote that we already have. ??? (/ownthrone is not new)

If ZOS was planning on abandoning the game, they wouldn't be spending the year reworking base code to finally fix PvP. People have been saying the game is dying or going to be closed ever since the game was released.

Even before then I saw some people saying ESO was 'obviously' only being developed to bridge the gap until the next TES game and would be maintained for maybe 2-3 years at most.

I suppose if people keep on saying it's going to shut down 'soon' for long enough they will eventually be able to claim they were right all along, because no game lasts forever. (Although Ultima Online is still going and that's over 20 years old now, so they might have a long wait.)

tohopka_eso

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

Danikat wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

AJones43865 wrote: »

This years global reveal, in total, convinced me that ZOS is winding down it's investment into ESO and they aren't going back. If you look at how over the last couple years new content has been getting smaller and smaller and is less related to the original base game, with essentially all content, mounts etc. being a reskinned version of things we already have, it appears ZOS is on track to cease all investments into ESO in a couple years or so. I am now wholly convinced that ZOS is not investing anything into ESO they don't absolutely have to and it's unlikely they are making the investments required to fix any performance issues. I'd like to be wrong, but based on the evidence I am not.

I mean, this year even one of the 'perks' for pre-ordering the collectors bundle is an emote that we already have. ??? (/ownthrone is not new)

If ZOS was planning on abandoning the game, they wouldn't be spending the year reworking base code to finally fix PvP. People have been saying the game is dying or going to be closed ever since the game was released.

Even before then I saw some people saying ESO was 'obviously' only being developed to bridge the gap until the next TES game and would be maintained for maybe 2-3 years at most.

I suppose if people keep on saying it's going to shut down 'soon' for long enough they will eventually be able to claim they were right all along, because no game lasts forever. (Although Ultima Online is still going and that's over 20 years old now, so they might have a long wait.)

Same with EverQuest, think they are redoing there graphics or something but they just celebrated there 20ish expansion. 🤔

Lugaldu

It doesn't feel like it should be a full main new feature.

I have nothing against a card game in general, but it doesn't suit me as a new activity in ESO. And in the end I feel forced to play it if you can get furniture, for example, which I, as a housing fan, would like to have. It also doesn't compare to the antiquities as a special activity for me, which is more dynamic and fits more into the flow of the game as you move around in the world.

Heartrage

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

I think people are being over dramatic about the state of the game and it's imminent death. Sure, one day eso will die. All mmorpg will inevitably do, however, current steam player stats don't seem to indicate that it is dying.

Personally, based on recent communications and the undergoing revamps of systems (cp2.0/item stats/pvp/skills scalling), I think zos may be introducing the card game because it won't impact the systems they are revising/fixing. They also seem to be hiring so it's not looking like they have given up and try to make a quick buck before ending the game.

jerek95

I don't actually dislike the card game, i just want to be in the poll! :D

Danikat wrote: »

ZOS called it a 'deck building game', that usually means something like Magic the Gathering, Pokemon cards, Netrunner etc. where each player has their own deck which they can customise ahead of the game and cards are not shared between players.

Other than the initial announcement and the couple of sentences currently on the main site I've not seen any information on how exactly the game works - either while playing it or how cards will be obtained - so I don't see how we can know this deck building game will be different to all the others and both players will share 1 deck.

No, ZOS called it "resource building game" (or resource gathering, can't check right now) and clearly stated that each player will choose 2 decks that he has and then 4 decks are shuffled and cards are distributet randomly to each player.
We have in fact little information about this card game but this is almost the only thing they talked about - shuffling both players cards. If that's the only thing they talked then I guess they wanted us to hear this info specifically. Aka - they are not probably going to remove this both player deck shuffling mechanic.

And with deck shuffling, as I've said, there is no way to monetize it further. It would just be stupid.

kirgeo

It doesn't feel like it should be a full main new feature.

Making the card game this years chapter feature is a bit sad. The last 2 chapters also have felt a bit sparse in content.

BalticBlues

I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.

"ZOS: We can' fix the PVP lag."
"ZOS: The old PS4/XBO cannot handle any additional MMO content on top anymore."
"ZOS: So sell them a simple PvP card game where lag and CPU/MEMORY does not matter."

Sorry, ZOS. If I wanted to play a card game, I'd rather do it with real cards.

SilverBride

I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.

It feels out of place and is immersion breaking.

BazOfWar

I don't think a card game makes sense in ESO. ESO is a mmorpg not a card game.

Arunei wrote: »

AJones43865 wrote: »

This years global reveal, in total, convinced me that ZOS is winding down it's investment into ESO and they aren't going back. If you look at how over the last couple years new content has been getting smaller and smaller and is less related to the original base game, with essentially all content, mounts etc. being a reskinned version of things we already have, it appears ZOS is on track to cease all investments into ESO in a couple years or so. I am now wholly convinced that ZOS is not investing anything into ESO they don't absolutely have to and it's unlikely they are making the investments required to fix any performance issues. I'd like to be wrong, but based on the evidence I am not.

I mean, this year even one of the 'perks' for pre-ordering the collectors bundle is an emote that we already have. ??? (/ownthrone is not new)

If ZOS was planning on abandoning the game, they wouldn't be spending the year reworking base code to finally fix PvP. People have been saying the game is dying or going to be closed ever since the game was released.

Actually they did say they where reworking the base code for the whole game but "Saying" and actually doing are totally different, they have been saying they are working on improving performance for years and haven't fixed a thing, in fact the games getting worse even in PvE now.

And that statement only arrived on the forums magically to quell the pooh storm that was growing over the remarks of certain developer.