Today's hotfix. Big thanks! <3

Sarannah

Alucardo wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

honglatongla wrote: »

Guess hotfix means something else nowadays.

Agree. I always understood "hotfix" to be an update while the server was still live.

It totally does mean that!

https://www.bmc.com/blogs/patch-hotfix-coldfix-bugfix/

Boggles our minds!

Actually, hotfix is a fix for a major issue that already went to the "live" environment, in this case the ESO live servers. It does not matter if the server is offline or online, but that it is applied to the live-version of the server. "Live" means something different than offline/online, "live" stands for the current in use user-version.

So "hotfix" is a term which means an immediate fix needs to be applied to the live server. The linked article even states that same thing.

Isn't that a coldfix? A hotfix doesn't require restarting the environment, whereas a coldfix does. Very common in MMOs

As the article states in the hotfix example: "with minimal disruption". For some live software versions, that means the fix can be applied while the servers are online. But generally with games, the servers are taken offline.

Another way to show what "live" means: Games, like ESO are already working on new patches and expansions which might come out at later dates. So "live" allows coders to easily refer to the current active user-version.

As an IT person, "coldfix" isn't a term I have ever used before, to be honest. But reading the article that seems more like a future patch to me, in the way it is described. And "hotfix" has always been the term used in any game I used to play, when something major needed to be fixed instantly. While "patch" is used for any future patches applied in scheduled downtime(patch maintenance).

Alucardo

Sarannah wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

honglatongla wrote: »

Guess hotfix means something else nowadays.

Agree. I always understood "hotfix" to be an update while the server was still live.

It totally does mean that!

https://www.bmc.com/blogs/patch-hotfix-coldfix-bugfix/

Boggles our minds!

Actually, hotfix is a fix for a major issue that already went to the "live" environment, in this case the ESO live servers. It does not matter if the server is offline or online, but that it is applied to the live-version of the server. "Live" means something different than offline/online, "live" stands for the current in use user-version.

So "hotfix" is a term which means an immediate fix needs to be applied to the live server. The linked article even states that same thing.

Isn't that a coldfix? A hotfix doesn't require restarting the environment, whereas a coldfix does. Very common in MMOs

As the article states in the hotfix example: "with minimal disruption". For some live software versions, that means the fix can be applied while the servers are online. But generally with games, the servers are taken offline.

Another way to show what "live" means: Games, like ESO are already working on new patches and expansions which might come out at later dates. So "live" allows coders to easily refer to the current active user-version.

As an IT person, "coldfix" isn't a term I have ever used before, to be honest. But reading the article that seems more like a future patch to me, in the way it is described. And "hotfix" has always been the term used in any game I used to play, when something major needed to be fixed instantly. While "patch" is used for any future patches applied in scheduled downtime(patch maintenance).

In any case, it's starting to go off topic. I believe the OP was thanking ZOS for fixing a game breaking bug that they didn't actually end up fixing. Please, continue with the kudos.

TequilaFire

Be grateful they are trying to fix things and quit worrying about semantics.

LalMirchi

Hotfix/Coldfix didn't really work.

After completing my writs on 9 characters on PC-EU I switched to my new single character on PC-NA and got three crashes to desktop in the space of a few minutes. I'll take a few hours break and restart the computer and hope for the best.

Red_Feather

LalMirchi wrote: »

Hotfix/Coldfix didn't really work.

After completing my writs on 9 characters on PC-EU I switched to my new single character on PC-NA and got three crashes to desktop in the space of a few minutes. I'll take a few hours break and restart the computer and hope for the best.

There was no fix applied. Who knows why the servers went down for so long.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7307183/#Comment_7307183

Elsonso

Red_Feather wrote: »

LalMirchi wrote: »

Hotfix/Coldfix didn't really work.

After completing my writs on 9 characters on PC-EU I switched to my new single character on PC-NA and got three crashes to desktop in the space of a few minutes. I'll take a few hours break and restart the computer and hope for the best.

There was no fix applied. Who knows why the servers went down for so long.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7307183/#Comment_7307183

Hmm. They took the servers down, applied hotfix, hotfix wasn't so hot, removed hotfix, tested servers, turned servers back on.

rebelian

Mayrael wrote: »

We as a gaming community are often very quick to pour out our grievances and resentments, to complain to ZOS for their failures.

This time however I wanted to say thank you very much and I think on behalf of most of us that we really appreciate today's hotfix regarding magick and life steal. This is how the pace of the most important fixes should be. Great job ZOS team, keep it up!

Your gang!

Well this certainly aged well

coop500

LOl yeah....

aldriq

Alucardo wrote: »

Isn't that a coldfix? A hotfix doesn't require restarting the environment, whereas a coldfix does. Very common in MMOs

I believe it's meant as in 'too hot to fix'

Veinblood1965

Yeah yeah yeah, but when is the lag going to be fixed, fank tank issues addressed and a million gold delivered to my account? Lol someone had to say it!

Mahabahabtha

That was all? Downtime for that? What about range? Fossilze works only UNDER 3 m..... Where is the Hotfix for that?

Mahabahabtha

Mahabahabtha wrote: »

That was all? Downtime for that? What about range? Fossilze works only UNDER 3 m..... Where is the Hotfix for that?

Ohoooooo... I just read the first statement from Gina....
So everything is cool as ever 🤡

Idinuse

Mayrael wrote: »

We as a gaming community are often very quick to pour out our grievances and resentments, to complain to ZOS for their failures.

This time however I wanted to say thank you very much and I think on behalf of most of us that we really appreciate today's hotfix regarding magick and life steal. This is how the pace of the most important fixes should be. Great job ZOS team, keep it up!

Your gang!

Agree!

tonyblack

So 7 hours (probably more) to fix 1 bug, that’s sad. I would prefer it would go next patch so I won’t mess my morning writs schedule, but oh well.

Mahabahabtha

This is... Self edit for bashing... The Company "BEEEEEEP" never ever such a *'%@#€&amp;*...

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

So wait...they are putting MYM live with a major bug to a set?...ok...
If I have understood correctly the fix didn't work, can we have proper confirmation from the producer?
*confused here*

But I'll still say - Hotfix Cyrodill please, we don't really care about sets...we just want to be able to play at the end of the day...this is minor compared to the true issue at hand...*meanwhile people debate about what a hotfix is*...

LalMirchi

Well, I hope I don't jinx this but after shutting down the computer and starting it up after an hour or so ESO's back and feeling fine.

GenjiraX

Mayrael wrote: »

We as a gaming community are often very quick to pour out our grievances and resentments, to complain to ZOS for their failures.

This time however I wanted to say thank you very much and I think on behalf of most of us that we really appreciate today's hotfix regarding magick and life steal. This is how the pace of the most important fixes should be. Great job ZOS team, keep it up!

Your gang!

Yes! Big love for the completely successful hot fix. Way to go ZOS.

CaffeinatedMayhem

OP might want to edit title to reflect that Hotfix did not actually occur, there was a complication. Will try again on 6/25

wolfie1.0.

Mayrael wrote: »

We as a gaming community are often very quick to pour out our grievances and resentments, to complain to ZOS for their failures.

This time however I wanted to say thank you very much and I think on behalf of most of us that we really appreciate today's hotfix regarding magick and life steal. This is how the pace of the most important fixes should be. Great job ZOS team, keep it up!

Your gang!

Except it didn't work...

wolfie1.0.

The_Lex wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

All that downtime and the 'hotfix' wasn't even applied. 😯

What? The bug is still present????

Never assume that it worked until it does.

iksde

GenjiraX wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

We as a gaming community are often very quick to pour out our grievances and resentments, to complain to ZOS for their failures.

This time however I wanted to say thank you very much and I think on behalf of most of us that we really appreciate today's hotfix regarding magick and life steal. This is how the pace of the most important fixes should be. Great job ZOS team, keep it up!

Your gang!

Yes! Big love for the completely successful hot fix. Way to go ZOS.

successful_fix?

Elo106

Looks like we thanked them too soon

ErMurazor

Sarannah wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

honglatongla wrote: »

Guess hotfix means something else nowadays.

Agree. I always understood "hotfix" to be an update while the server was still live.

It totally does mean that!

https://www.bmc.com/blogs/patch-hotfix-coldfix-bugfix/

Boggles our minds!

Actually, hotfix is a fix for a major issue that already went to the "live" environment, in this case the ESO live servers. It does not matter if the server is offline or online, but that it is applied to the live-version of the server. "Live" means something different than offline/online, "live" stands for the current in use user-version.

So "hotfix" is a term which means an immediate fix needs to be applied to the live server. The linked article even states that same thing.

So much text and its all wrong, hotfix is applied to a running/online server that doesnt need any rebooting.

Mayrael

Yup, I agree it was a bit early to say thanks but the speed of fixing this bug for ZOS is great anyway. Despite the minor stumbles this time ZOS deserves praise.

matterandstuff

Australians who couldn't give a stuff about this very niche bug but would like to be able to actually participate in Midyear Mayhem and can't because of the repeated downtime in our peak hours probably disagree with you about the deserving of praise bit.

FlopsyPrince

But will it fix Mirri standing on NPCs? That interrupts far more for most of us.

Mayrael

ErMurazor wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

honglatongla wrote: »

Guess hotfix means something else nowadays.

Agree. I always understood "hotfix" to be an update while the server was still live.

It totally does mean that!

https://www.bmc.com/blogs/patch-hotfix-coldfix-bugfix/

Boggles our minds!

Actually, hotfix is a fix for a major issue that already went to the "live" environment, in this case the ESO live servers. It does not matter if the server is offline or online, but that it is applied to the live-version of the server. "Live" means something different than offline/online, "live" stands for the current in use user-version.

So "hotfix" is a term which means an immediate fix needs to be applied to the live server. The linked article even states that same thing.

So much text and its all wrong, hotfix is applied to a running/online server that doesnt need any rebooting.

Not really. The term coldfix is not well established and is more of a slang term used by gamers than a technical term used by developers. Outside of this one site, it is rather hard to find any established literature on coldfixes as opposed to hotfixes, which are exactly what Sarannah described

Tigor

Mayrael

Kel wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Yup, I agree it was a bit early to say thanks but the speed of fixing this bug for ZOS is great anyway. Despite the minor stumbles this time ZOS deserves praise.

7 hours to fix one bug that they didn't even fix ....

We've set the bar far too low for this company that milks us for all this money 🙄

Yes I agree, but having six months in perspective with an absolutely OP set like Undertaker meant about as much as unplayable PvP for that time. So far ZOS has repeatedly shown that such a time is the absolute minimum to fix something that is totally broken, hence my positive reaction because compared to their usual response time this one is almost instant.

I'm the last person to praise ZOS (check my post history if you don't believe me) but sometimes a few words of approval doesn't hurt when you see a change for the better. It doesn't mean it's already perfect or acceptable, but the changes are moving in the right direction and that should be appreciated.

Just like with someone who is working on their fitness. You can't criticize him because he can only run 100m, but he works on it, tries to improve it, such a person deserves encouragement and praise, not criticism "because you are not good enough". What matters is the right direction, not whether someone has already achieved a goal.