ZOS, any chance for a global Action House?

Vyvrhel

The trading system as it is now is really not very casual friendly. Any chance to implement the classical global action house? Like 10 slots for normal players, 30+ slots for eso+.
No trading guilds, no requirements, no endles checking for proper prices and available stuff using addons... etc. I want to buy and sell stuff without wasting too much time on it.
Just the removal of merchant addons improves the performance by a lot. And you simply cannot properly trade without them.

Royaji

Can I just thank the OP for maintaining our long-established forum traditions and bringing back an AH thread amid the influx of all those novel "APM" and "LA changes" threads?

Vyvrhel

Royaji wrote: »

Can I just thank the OP for maintaining our long-established forum traditions and bringing back an AH thread

If this is a clumsy attempt to tell me that this was asked for before and many times: I know.

idk

The answer to the question in the title is pretty much no.

There are a lot of casual trading guilds out there. I have been in one that charges nothing to be a member. Just requires you sell a modest amount and we are in a solid location. Just find the right guild and you are fine. For casual player, one guild slot is not that big of a deal.

Ackwalan

A auction house would really hurt the trade guilds. Perhaps a limited kind of auction house where you could only sell ten items a week might be doable.

justaquickword

An actual auction house added into a zone in the game, where players could physically congregate and bid on items in real time would be an original and novel idea.

Wow. I'm good.

Taleof2Cities

idk wrote: »

The answer to the question in the title is pretty much no.

There are a lot of casual trading guilds out there. I have been in one that charges nothing to be a member. Just requires you sell a modest amount and we are in a solid location. Just find the right guild and you are fine. For casual player, one guild slot is not that big of a deal.

^This.^

Casual players have a lot of options when it comes to casual trading guilds.

Just browse the guild finder at your leisure ... and reap the benefits of selling in a casual trading guild without the commitment of a high-traffic trader.

As an auction house won't be happening any time soon ...

Asardes

It would be a terrible idea.

daim

I guess it's anyone's choice if you wish to play the trader and sell stuff, trying to undercut prices, trying to buy cheap, sell high and make a few coins in the process.

Personally I'm not spending time doing it. I just buy what I need. I store the best items that will sell and do them from time to time. I wouldn't bother anything below the threshold I have set to myself. And I don't need addons for that, although I might check TTC site from time to time.

If they would add an global auction house that would make the guild traders absolite and obviously they don't want to go to that route as it's been like this since the beginning.

LadySinflower

I'm afraid you're probably out of luck, OP. This has been requested and debated in here many times. Regardless of what players ask for and talk about, ZOS does what they want to do. They don't seem keen on making this particular change.

redgreensunset

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Can I just thank the OP for maintaining our long-established forum traditions and bringing back an AH thread

If this is a clumsy attempt to tell me that this was asked for before and many times: I know.

Then you also know what the answer is. Which just makes this post beyond weird.

tmbrinks

People already (mostly erroneously) believe that some people are already cornering the market and manipulating prices. This is very, very, very difficult to do with the 100+ vendor locations across Tamriel, as it takes an inordinate amount of time to visit all of them to buy every thing to do so.

A global auction house would exacerbate the situation, making it 100x easier for those who have billions (yes, with a 'b') of gold to actually corner a market.

wolfie1.0.

tmbrinks wrote: »

People already (mostly erroneously) believe that some people are already cornering the market and manipulating prices. This is very, very, very difficult to do with the 100+ vendor locations across Tamriel, as it takes an inordinate amount of time to visit all of them to buy every thing to do so.

A global auction house would exacerbate the situation, making it 100x easier for those who have billions (yes, with a 'b') of gold to actually corner a market.

This really is the case. A GAH will not end trade guilds, it will refocus them and turn them into 24/7 market trading groups. Whose entire focus would be to try their best to manipulate prices.

Trade guilds as it stands currently wage a silent GvG war for trading spots every week. There are alliances and enemies etc. There are that Players spend a lot of time and resources playing the markets as is and they are kept in check by each other. Remove some of the barriers in place without preparation and the economy will get out of control.

I honestly dont see a way to effectively convert ESO from its current trading system to a new one without two things happening first. 1) remove or limit the size of craft bags. And 2) reset the game clock by wiping all existing items, gear, and achievements from the game.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

I too would prefer an auction house but in lieu of that I don't see why a public trader couldn't be introduced in the capital cities for players who don't belong to a guild. It wouldn't have to allow more than 5 or 10 slots and could even limit the number of items listed per hour/day/week so it wouldn't disrupt the overall market.

Emma_Overload

We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.

Taleof2Cities

Emma_Overload wrote: »

We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.

That’s essentially an Auction House, @Emma_Overload ... unless the global search did not include price of the search item.

Is that what you mean?

Emma_Overload

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.

That’s essentially an Auction House, @Emma_Overload ... unless the global search did not include price of the search item.

Is that what you mean?

No. The items would still be stored at the individual guild traders. You would still have to travel to the trader to pick up the item. Traders would still have to belong to guilds to sell their items. And guilds would still have to bid for trading posts. All the mechanics that keep players milling about the cities would still be there, they just wouldn't have to waste as much time traveling through wayshrines (and loading screens) when they are shopping.

Here's what would be different:

1) Rich guilds would no longer be able to monopolize the market by hogging the best trading spots every week, simply because the centralized search would level the playing field for all guilds. Guilds might still prefer a spot on Rawlka or Deshan for prestige and bragging rights, but there would be no significant financial advantage.

2) Players will be able to find the items they are looking for quickly and place deposits on the items they intend to buy. In order to keep greedy players from locking up the market by placing too many deposits, the number of deposits per player could be limited and the length of time the items would be held could be limited, too.

3) Sellers would be free to list their items at ANY guild trader (that they belonged to) without feeling penalized or disadvantaged. Rich, greedy cartel guilds would no longer be able to demand ridiculous dues or fees from sellers, because all trading spots would be more or less equal. Even the smallest, poorest guilds would be able to sell their wares efficiently.

Hiding the price of the item as you suggest would just be irritating to the shopper. The whole point of centralized search would be to make shopping a more pleasant experience for the player.

VaranisArano

Casual Trading:

Step 1: use guildfinder or ask in zone chat for a casual trade guild with low or no requirements that fit how you like to play. I've never had a problem finding guilds that fit me and I regularly see low/no requirement trade guilds recruiting.

Step 2: list items for approx the same price as your guildmates. Yeah, it'll take a bit to get a feel for your good selling price especially if you are selling rarer items, but that's honestly how I learned to trade without add-ons. List, see what sells, relist if needed; its casual sales - if you need to empty your listings quick to manage inventory, throw the ESO equivalent of an "Everything Must Go!" sale.

Hotdog_23

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.

That’s essentially an Auction House, @Emma_Overload ... unless the global search did not include price of the search item.

Is that what you mean?

No. The items would still be stored at the individual guild traders. You would still have to travel to the trader to pick up the item. Traders would still have to belong to guilds to sell their items. And guilds would still have to bid for trading posts. All the mechanics that keep players milling about the cities would still be there, they just wouldn't have to waste as much time traveling through wayshrines (and loading screens) when they are shopping.

Here's what would be different:

1) Rich guilds would no longer be able to monopolize the market by hogging the best trading spots every week, simply because the centralized search would level the playing field for all guilds. Guilds might still prefer a spot on Rawlka or Deshan for prestige and bragging rights, but there would be no significant financial advantage.

2) Players will be able to find the items they are looking for quickly and place deposits on the items they intend to buy. In order to keep greedy players from locking up the market by placing too many deposits, the number of deposits per player could be limited and the length of time the items would be held could be limited, too.

3) Sellers would be free to list their items at ANY guild trader (that they belonged to) without feeling penalized or disadvantaged. Rich, greedy cartel guilds would no longer be able to demand ridiculous dues or fees from sellers, because all trading spots would be more or less equal. Even the smallest, poorest guilds would be able to sell their wares efficiently.

Hiding the price of the item as you suggest would just be irritating to the shopper. The whole point of centralized search would be to make shopping a more pleasant experience for the player.

Really like this idea a lot. It would help console players a ton since we have no benefit of add-ons to help search and the value of certain items. The only problem I could see with it is the amount of back work that ZOS would have to do to implement it and the potential server load this could cause.

One can only dream.

katanagirl1

I have mixed feelings about this as a console player.

I spend time keeping up with the listed value of the items I sell by visiting traders in the capital cities, and I price my items at the low end of the range so they are priced to sell. I do my homework so I reap the benefits.

What I don’t like seeing are these no-name guilds in Elden Root, Wayrest, or Mournhold that have no items to sell. How are they making the bid for those choice spots??? The traders in Belkarth used to be good but now I hardly find anything there.

Ashtaris

If I had a nickle for every time this subject has been brought up, and shot down just as fast.

Vyvrhel

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

This really is the case. A GAH will not end trade guilds, it will refocus them and turn them into 24/7 market trading groups. Whose entire focus would be to try their best to manipulate prices.

I do not really get it. Once you remove the kiosks and convert all trading to, say LOTRO or GW2 style (where iirc you access the auction house at bank), this is effectively an end of trading guilds. Also the prices will very soon stabilize on the lower level, as people will easily find the cheapest piece globally. Nowadays the price depends on the spot.

Vyvrhel

Emma_Overload wrote: »

We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I have mixed feelings about this as a console player.

I spend time keeping up with the listed value of the items I sell by visiting traders in the capital cities, and I price my items at the low end of the range so they are priced to sell. I do my homework so I reap the benefits.

What I don’t like seeing are these no-name guilds in Elden Root, Wayrest, or Mournhold that have no items to sell. How are they making the bid for those choice spots??? The traders in Belkarth used to be good but now I hardly find anything there.

There is a website, tamrieltradecentre.com, tied to an addon, which lets you to browse the prices and see where the item is or was available and for what lowest price. Works for all platforms, including consoles.

Vyvrhel

VaranisArano wrote: »

Casual Trading:

Step 1: use guildfinder or ask in zone chat for a casual trade guild with low or no requirements that fit how you like to play. I've never had a problem finding guilds that fit me and I regularly see low/no requirement trade guilds recruiting.

Step 2: list items for approx the same price as your guildmates. Yeah, it'll take a bit to get a feel for your good selling price especially if you are selling rarer items, but that's honestly how I learned to trade without add-ons. List, see what sells, relist if needed; its casual sales - if you need to empty your listings quick to manage inventory, throw the ESO equivalent of an "Everything Must Go!" sale.

No. It just does not help because many people do not use addons and they simply do not know that the item is available. I tried it and the stuff which goes immediatelly at a good spot would hardly be sold on a bad spot. If it worked as you say nobody would pay the outrageous prices for the good spots.

Beardimus

Vyvrhel wrote: »

The trading system as it is now is really not very casual friendly. Any chance to implement the classical global action house? Like 10 slots for normal players, 30+ slots for eso+.
No trading guilds, no requirements, no endles checking for proper prices and available stuff using addons... etc. I want to buy and sell stuff without wasting too much time on it.
Just the removal of merchant addons improves the performance by a lot. And you simply cannot properly trade without them.

Please God no.
Don't ruin a whole element of the game that's straight forward enough if you out a degree of effort into it.

At this rate the game will have nothing left if we keep shortcutting everything.

If trading is taking up too much time you aren't trading right. Join a few and you have access from any bank in land. Batch craft the basics, you only need use guild store for the odd thing. Likewise, text chat gives you a WTB option to the whole guild..

Learnt to trade right and stop trying to flatten an element of the game that suits those that put effort in. Also the current system rewards bargain hunting, bug low sell high etc. That's how I first made gold out of trading guilds

Vyvrhel

Beardimus wrote: »

degree of effort

This is the keyword. Just replace the effort with "grind" or "chores". I want to quest, and do groups or pvp when I can, I do not want to worry if I sold or donated enough to prevent the guild from losing it's spot. Namely when I know I will be not able to log in for at least a week or so.

tmbrinks

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

degree of effort

This is the keyword. Just replace the effort with "grind" or "chores". I want to quest, and do groups or pvp when I can, I do not want to worry if I sold or donated enough to prevent the guild from losing it's spot. Namely when I know I will be not able to log in for at least a week or so.

Then don't join a trading guild that has those kinds of requirements.

There are plenty of them that are free to join.

VaranisArano

Vyvrhel wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Casual Trading:

Step 1: use guildfinder or ask in zone chat for a casual trade guild with low or no requirements that fit how you like to play. I've never had a problem finding guilds that fit me and I regularly see low/no requirement trade guilds recruiting.

Step 2: list items for approx the same price as your guildmates. Yeah, it'll take a bit to get a feel for your good selling price especially if you are selling rarer items, but that's honestly how I learned to trade without add-ons. List, see what sells, relist if needed; its casual sales - if you need to empty your listings quick to manage inventory, throw the ESO equivalent of an "Everything Must Go!" sale.

No. It just does not help because many people do not use addons and they simply do not know that the item is available. I tried it and the stuff which goes immediatelly at a good spot would hardly be sold on a bad spot. If it worked as you say nobody would pay the outrageous prices for the good spots.

Then...maybe you should reevaluate your requirements. If you want to sell regularly or keep your listings moving, you might not be as casual as my advice is geared for and you'll have to put in more effort to keep up your desired sales or look at a trader with a location that fits your desired sales volume. There's tons of options available and its 100% up to you to pick guilds that fit what you want.

That being said, I've had success with that method in every trading guild I've been in while trading without add-ons. That's been everything from a capital city guild to a middle-of-nowhere-Bangkorai trader. I've never had problems finding guilds that fit my rather low requirements.

Stay mindful of what you want in terms of profit from you guilds and move on from guilds that don't work for you. You can absolutely find guilds where you can trade casually.

katanagirl1

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I have mixed feelings about this as a console player.

I spend time keeping up with the listed value of the items I sell by visiting traders in the capital cities, and I price my items at the low end of the range so they are priced to sell. I do my homework so I reap the benefits.

What I don’t like seeing are these no-name guilds in Elden Root, Wayrest, or Mournhold that have no items to sell. How are they making the bid for those choice spots??? The traders in Belkarth used to be good but now I hardly find anything there.

There is a website, tamrieltradecentre.com, tied to an addon, which lets you to browse the prices and see where the item is or was available and for what lowest price. Works for all platforms, including consoles.

I haven’t checked that in a long time, but the console data was never filled when I looked. I sell motif pages and furnishing plans exclusively. Generally our guilds use the Dwemer Automaton bot on Discord, but I don’t think those prices are console either, from what I’m told. Lots of things that are cheap on PC are much higher price on console. Better to see what the current listed price is in traders.

Beardimus

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

degree of effort

This is the keyword. Just replace the effort with "grind" or "chores". I want to quest, and do groups or pvp when I can, I do not want to worry if I sold or donated enough to prevent the guild from losing it's spot. Namely when I know I will be not able to log in for at least a week or so.

@Vyvrhel think that logic through. The game is vast, people have different motives. You appear not to want to put effort into trading.

What about PvP players who don't want the effort of PvE, should they get Monster Helms free??

Or Role Players who want a vmol skin but don't have the time?

Or PvEers who like the Emp costume but don't fancy the effort / grind? Or want a vMA staff but don't want to put effort in to get better?

Trading is a big part of the game, and enjoyed my many. I didn't 'get it' either at first but then I put the effort in to use it right and it couldn't be simpler.

If away from the game message the GM or put a deposit in. I will admit consoles are better here as GMs dont ask for dues, tho that may be an EU thing also. However I donate 10-20k a week anyway as like to support my guilds. And I only sell ROTW stuff right now as only have time to PvP.

I used to do writs daily and make money from that and buy low sell high. By effort I mean adapt, earn your first million isn't hard then stuff like due etc are not a stress. I sold mats, and crafted food. WMB SOLD for 20k stacks and was free to make.kutas usee to be 15k. Or id spend 30mins popping to 'out there traders' buying low to sell high.a big gain for the small player with limited funds that an AH would trash.

Dont ask to trash a part of the game you just can't be bothered with,its a slippery slope and game has been dumbed down enough already.

VoidCommander

A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?

Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?

Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.

The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.