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Revert Faction Locks. We've Been Through This Already
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aetherial_heavenn✭✭✭✭✭Yes, that's where the fights are, but you can't have your cake and eat it
Except the thing is, until now, we have been able to have that cake.
ZOS chose to let us have it. They encouraged people to play with their groups of friends, wherever they wanted to, regardless of which campaign they were on.
They removed faction locks as we knew them, years ago, because they didn't provide value to gameplay, instead restricting players from playing together.
It's incredibly insulting to be told, after years of being able to play the content we want to play together, "go play some other content if you want to keep playing with your friends". Why? Why is the solution to shove me into IC when what we want to do is continue playing in Cyrodiil together? My guilds aren't consciously trying to fix campaign results or troll one another. My AD group fights on Tuesdays and Thursdays, my DC one is on Wednesdays and Fridays. Those core groups are mostly people not swapping between alliances - I just want to play with both groups of friends. And I've been permitted, if not outright encouraged, by ZOS to do so for years now. Except now I can't? How the hell is that even remotely okay?
The fact that it's been happening doesn't make it right, and maybe ZOS didn't realize the extend to which it affects campaign outcomes (or emp crowing swapping), and is finally doing something about it. As it is now, it allows groups to swap to one faction, pvdoor the map, swap to another to do the same, and so on. It's disheartening to see all factions having 2 bars for example, and when faction X gains some ground, suddenly its poplocked, with factions Y and Z now empty. Your group might not do it, but it certainly happens. The locking and emp restriction will help with that. If you choose to play in a faction, then swapping to another one in the same campain is doing a diservice to the former faction, and it makes no sense immersion-wise, nor ethics-wise. As for the campaign rewards being locked to one faction, people mostly care for the transmute crystals, they can still get plenty since they'll likely have a few toons in the same faction. Again, let's see how it plays out; it will definitely build more camaraderie within factions, it will promote strategic play, which is the whole point, and at the end of the day, overland Cyro PvP is AvAvA: its illogical to think that unrestricted alliance hopping could be good for it.
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"In my experience, the elite ones have not been very toxic, and the toxic ones not very elite." WrathOfInnos1 -
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✭This is truly the end of the game. Who could adapt to such an onerous change? I just don't have the imagination to even ponder it. Goodbye sweet Cyrodiil, adieu, adieu, adieu.“Whatever.”
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Miriel✭✭✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Say what you will, but this change was done to stop faction hoppers. Yes, it sucks that some honest players can't just switch to play with friends. However, there is the key word, "friends". If you are truly friends, you will roll new characters to play together with. If that is too much work, are your friends really that important to you?
So, if I have friends across different factions, which character should I reroll, and which to which "faction"? Do you truly not understand the actual problem here, because it seems you don't.
There will still be campaigns with no faction lock, play there ?, you guys act like you dont have options, when you have, its like you have to force the way YOU play upon everyone else...2 -
bulbousb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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That will be the next thing that needs fixing. All the honest players will head to faction lock, and all the cheaters will head to non-lock and want the same rewards. Needs to be an equal playing field.There will still be campaigns with no faction lock, play there ?, you guys act like you dont have options, when you have, its like you have to force the way YOU play upon everyone else...
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Miriel✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
That will be the next thing that needs fixing. All the honest players will head to faction lock, and all the cheaters will head to non-lock and want the same rewards. Needs to be an equal playing field.There will still be campaigns with no faction lock, play there ?, you guys act like you dont have options, when you have, its like you have to force the way YOU play upon everyone else...
T be honest i dont care, IF they play as they like, they can do so else where... i just dont want to play with them, they can have their dead campaign0 -
pzschrek✭✭✭✭QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK“The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on.”1
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✭✭✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Say what you will, but this change was done to stop faction hoppers. Yes, it sucks that some honest players can't just switch to play with friends. However, there is the key word, "friends". If you are truly friends, you will roll new characters to play together with. If that is too much work, are your friends really that important to you?
So, if I have friends across different factions, which character should I reroll, and which to which "faction"? Do you truly not understand the actual problem here, because it seems you don't.
There will still be campaigns with no faction lock, play there ?, you guys act like you dont have options, when you have, its like you have to force the way YOU play upon everyone else...
The other campaigns are deader than King Tut. There's not enough population to hit 2 bars in Vivec in off peak if you combine all 3 campaigns.
I force you to do nothing. No one else forces you to do anything. Nor have they ever. The only people being forced to do anything is off peak folk with characters across all 3 factions. Either forced to PvDoor or do something else.
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Miriel✭✭✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Say what you will, but this change was done to stop faction hoppers. Yes, it sucks that some honest players can't just switch to play with friends. However, there is the key word, "friends". If you are truly friends, you will roll new characters to play together with. If that is too much work, are your friends really that important to you?
So, if I have friends across different factions, which character should I reroll, and which to which "faction"? Do you truly not understand the actual problem here, because it seems you don't.
There will still be campaigns with no faction lock, play there ?, you guys act like you dont have options, when you have, its like you have to force the way YOU play upon everyone else...
The other campaigns are deader than King Tut. There's not enough population to hit 2 bars in Vivec in off peak if you combine all 3 campaigns.
I force you to do nothing. No one else forces you to do anything. Nor have they ever. The only people being forced to do anything is off peak folk with characters across all 3 factions. Either forced to PvDoor or do something else.
Both you and bulbous are acting unhinged.
Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...1 -
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Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
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Miriel✭✭✭✭
Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Then what happens, is anyone guess, we could be back to a scenario like it was in the beginning of ESO, when AD essentially owned the campaigns, it resulted in that the population fixed it, over a longer time and entire guilds changed sides...
The question you should ask yourself, is why people are fed up and tired on faction hoppers, and essentially dont want anything to do with it, shouldent you respect that ?
To me, when i read you and others posts, i read them like this, as long as we can pvp, it dosent matter what preference other human beings have as long as my preference gets tended to... And now when ZoS finally acts, you realice that you will get stuck in empty servers couse no one essentially likes facion hoppers couse all the crap they done, and you sound like your supriced ?
Thats in my opinion called karma, if you act like a ass, no one wants to play with you, take it for the leason it isEdited by Miriel on 15 May 2019 03:203 -
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Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Then what happens, is anyone guess, we could be back to a scenario like it was in the beginning of ESO, when AD essentially owned the campaigns, it resulted in that the population fixed it, over a longer time and entire guilds changed sides...
The question you should ask yourself, is why people are fed up and tired on faction hoppers, and essentially dont want anything to do with it, shouldent you respect that ?
To me, when i read you and others posts, i read them like this, as long as we can pvp, it dosent matter what preference other human beings have as long as my preference gets tended to... And now when ZoS finally acts, you realice that you will get stuck in empty servers couse no one essentially likes facion hoppers couse all the crap they done, and you sound like your supriced ?
Thats in my opinion called karma, if you act like a ass, no one wants to play with you, take it for the leason it is
Aren't you essentially making an argument for faction hopping here?Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!4 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »
Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Then what happens, is anyone guess, we could be back to a scenario like it was in the beginning of ESO, when AD essentially owned the campaigns, it resulted in that the population fixed it, over a longer time and entire guilds changed sides...
The question you should ask yourself, is why people are fed up and tired on faction hoppers, and essentially dont want anything to do with it, shouldent you respect that ?
To me, when i read you and others posts, i read them like this, as long as we can pvp, it dosent matter what preference other human beings have as long as my preference gets tended to... And now when ZoS finally acts, you realice that you will get stuck in empty servers couse no one essentially likes facion hoppers couse all the crap they done, and you sound like your supriced ?
Thats in my opinion called karma, if you act like a ass, no one wants to play with you, take it for the leason it is
Aren't you essentially making an argument for faction hopping here?
no im not, everyone will be able to change sides, between campaigns, but not during a campaign... All can choose a sides at the start of a campaign, then they stick to that side, to the bitter end...
you can also pick a campaign without faction locks and play as you like...Edited by Miriel on 15 May 2019 03:293 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭So essentially every 30 days there is a slight possibility that the server could become balanced providing several guilds from the dominating faction completely re roll to another faction, remain on the same server and coordinate server wide to ensure that not too many guilds from the dominating faction re roll to the same faction at the same time? Seems a bit much to me. I play and prefer non CP, where is my non CP option?
You know, I'm not done yet. This pro lock argument has more holes in it than a piece of swiss cheese. Two words completely debunk everything that is supposedly fixed with faction lock....MULTIPLE ACCOUNT. If someone is truly interested in trolling or taking advantage and manipulating mechanics, $20 enables them to do so at their leisure. Kind of explains why we've always had scroll stealing, spying, Emperor farming in the game even with faction lock.
Pick a campaign and play as I like? I'm doing that right now. It's not me asking ZOS to change their mechanics to correct what I perceive to be an issue, it's you that's forcing your ideas on others. I play non CP, I either have to play CP or hope to god that my chosen faction isn't the one dominating the server for the MONTH so that I might actually get some pvp, I don't even play other factions much but it is nice to have the option open instead of zerging with my faction and killing pvp for the evening. This isn't going to be healthy for the servers or pvp overall and will do nothing to actually address the pro lock issues as stated above.
Edited by kpittsniperb14_ESO on 15 May 2019 03:53Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!3 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »So essentially every 30 days there is a slight possibility that the server could become balanced providing several guilds from the dominating faction completely re roll to another faction, remain on the same server and coordinate server wide to ensure that not too many guilds from the dominating faction re roll to the same faction at the same time? Seems a bit much to me. I play and prefer non CP, where is my non CP option?
Well, to each their own, everyone can still play as they did, there will be campaign with locks, and there will be campaigns that dosent have locks...0 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »So essentially every 30 days there is a slight possibility that the server could become balanced providing several guilds from the dominating faction completely re roll to another faction, remain on the same server and coordinate server wide to ensure that not too many guilds from the dominating faction re roll to the same faction at the same time? Seems a bit much to me. I play and prefer non CP, where is my non CP option?
Well, to each their own, everyone can still play as they did, there will be campaign with locks, and there will be campaigns that dosent have locks...
Except non CP and if you prefer a 30 day campaign right? I don't think many would care if ZOS gave YOU the option by providing a locked campaign instead of dictating to everyone else where and how to play. See the irony here?
Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!2 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »So essentially every 30 days there is a slight possibility that the server could become balanced providing several guilds from the dominating faction completely re roll to another faction, remain on the same server and coordinate server wide to ensure that not too many guilds from the dominating faction re roll to the same faction at the same time? Seems a bit much to me. I play and prefer non CP, where is my non CP option?
Well, to each their own, everyone can still play as they did, there will be campaign with locks, and there will be campaigns that dosent have locks...
Except non CP and if you prefer a 30 day campaign right? I don't think many would care if ZOS gave YOU the option by providing a locked campaign instead of dictating to everyone else where and how to play. See the irony here?
I gotta agree that the way zos is implementing this is weird. There should be a non-locked no CP, full stop.
Before zos went down this road, I suggested instead of locks, there should be better incentives to stay faction loyal. But they went the other direction. Frankly, locking two 7 day campaigns and keeping 30 day as is makes a ton more sense to me.
All that aside, I'd be thoroughly surprised if @Joy_Division is correct and they haven't looked at any numbers at all before making this change. The only responsible thing for zos to have done, would have been at least look at 1 faction players against multi-faction players. That would give them a baseline for a change like this.
I also think there is a bigger process going on here and that is to eventually end the 3 banners war and institute another mode of open world pvp. For the war to end, there needs to be a victor, and perhaps campaign locks are to establish that."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
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iwe been sorta wanting a merge between EU and NA servers, as that would atleast sovle night capping issues, and even out the pop, and personally i think it would be good for the NA pop to face the german machine...
Then rotate from where the server was hosted, asian players already deal with latency, and i play from europe on NA, so its not that you cant... but, thats question for anouther topic...Edited by Miriel on 15 May 2019 04:230 -
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iwe been sorta wanting a merge between EU and NA servers, as that would atleast sovle night capping issues, and even out the pop, and personally i think it would be good for the NA pop to face the german machine...
Then rotate from where the server was hosted, asian players already deal with latency, and i play from europe on NA, so its not that you cant... but, thats question for anouther topic...
You're kidding right?Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent
PC NA
ZOMBIE DEATH MACHINE
Vanguard
Outcasts
Full faction locks are only further dividing an already dwindling pvp community
Toons:
Ebonheart Pact
Sophis (M. Templar), Lilivah Rallenar (M. Sorcerer), Diakoptês (M. Dragonknight), Pins and Needles (M. Nightblade), Claws-your-Curtains (S. Sorcerer), Raan-Mir-Tah (M Warden), Hezik (S Warden)
Aldmeri Dominion
Sophis-ticated (M. Templar), Tis not easy being Green (S. Dragonknight)
Daggerfall Covernant
Sirius Delatora (M. Nightblade), Ellaberry (S. Templar), Ellabear (pve tank) Claìr De Lune (M. Sorc)2 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »So essentially every 30 days there is a slight possibility that the server could become balanced providing several guilds from the dominating faction completely re roll to another faction, remain on the same server and coordinate server wide to ensure that not too many guilds from the dominating faction re roll to the same faction at the same time? Seems a bit much to me. I play and prefer non CP, where is my non CP option?
Well, to each their own, everyone can still play as they did, there will be campaign with locks, and there will be campaigns that dosent have locks...
Except non CP and if you prefer a 30 day campaign right? I don't think many would care if ZOS gave YOU the option by providing a locked campaign instead of dictating to everyone else where and how to play. See the irony here?
I gotta agree that the way zos is implementing this is weird. There should be a non-locked no CP, full stop.
Before zos went down this road, I suggested instead of locks, there should be better incentives to stay faction loyal. But they went the other direction. Frankly, locking two 7 day campaigns and keeping 30 day as is makes a ton more sense to me.
All that aside, I'd be thoroughly surprised if @Joy_Division is correct and they haven't looked at any numbers at all before making this change. The only responsible thing for zos to have done, would have been at least look at 1 faction players against multi-faction players. That would give them a baseline for a change like this.
I also think there is a bigger process going on here and that is to eventually end the 3 banners war and institute another mode of open world pvp. For the war to end, there needs to be a victor, and perhaps campaign locks are to establish that.
It would be interesting if you were on to something but I fear that you are giving ZOS way too much credit here. I would doubt that they have even bothered to gather metrics on this, or for that matter have the capability to do so given their horrible track record to date. The players have done more to balance these campaigns than ZOS ever did, and what I mean by that is ZOS has done squat. One of the reasons we still have 3 somewhat active campaigns on PC NA is because of cross faction play and the ability to balance the map on the fly....we've done it and so have many others. I've stated before in these discussions and I'll say it again, my experiences and opinion on this issue is based on PC NA. I'd like to think I'm smart enough to recognize there are other megaservers and platforms that have different player base behaviors, so I do understand why folks on these platforms might want faction locks....I do get it.
ZOS unfortunately has painted themselves into a tight corner by failing to incentivize faction and map play, failing to address the horrendous performance issues in Cyrodiil and allowing pvp to atrophy into a state that it cannot support even adding an additional non CP campaign to the roster. I honestly wish that weren't the case but let's be realistic here. Not really an option at this time and no ETA on when it might be. ZOS has already let the genie out of the bottle with One Tamriel and what's done is done. We're getting locks whether we like it or not so I suppose we'll just have to deal with the fallout of this. I would hope that, at some point, those of us still here playing and loving Cyrodiil would stop blaming each other and demand that the devs actually work on fixing pvp, implement those incentives to care about faction and map play, address the pathetic and poor performance of their servers and for the love of god introduce population control/balance mechanics. If these issues were addressed then all servers could be locked without issue.
Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!2 -
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It's really too bad that they didn't go the incentive route. Definitely a missed opportunity. Hell they could've just halved the AP on guest toons and plenty of the nonsense would've stopped. Or made AP and telvar character bound.
To be honest, I'm looking forward to seeing if locks help at all, because something needed to be done. I'm at least willing to give it a chance.
Zos has always been tight lipped about population metrics, I still hope they looked at something (beside the forums) before making this decision."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard2 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »@kpittsniperb14_ESO
It's really too bad that they didn't go the incentive route. Definitely a missed opportunity. Hell they could've just halved the AP on guest toons and plenty of the nonsense would've stopped. Or made AP and telvar character bound.
To be honest, I'm looking forward to seeing if locks help at all, because something needed to be done. I'm at least willing to give it a chance.
Zos has always been tight lipped about population metrics, I still hope they looked at something (beside the forums) before making this decision.
I love your optimistic outlook but I just don't share it after 5 years. I'd like nothing more than to be wrong here really. If this was uncharted territory and we were trying something new I'd support it 100 percent but this just isn't the case. We'll see how this plays though....stay positive....don't you go changing.Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!0 -
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Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Why don't you take a dose of your own advice.3 -
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Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Why don't you take a dose of your own advice.
you will have options like everyone else...1 -
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Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Why don't you take a dose of your own advice.
you will have options like everyone else...
Unless, of course, you have friends across factions who want to play in Vivec, then you're just out of luck....
Next cause of complaint: My faction is completely outnumbered at night and filthy nightcappers keep painting the map!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They basically make the same issue we have in incentivizing people to play for the winning team worse by making it to where now, players stack on who they think will win at the beginning rather than possibly having good balance for a week or 2. Need to get those better rewards.
If you main DC in PC NA; brace yourself. DC has won what? 1 in the past year of Vivec?0 -
Ahtu✭✭✭✭DC will be absorbed by the other two factions... I'm calling it now. It's already happening to an extent and they are crumbling.Edited by Ahtu on 15 May 2019 11:271
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Thats not my problem, again alot of people DONT want to play with faction hopping... ZOS fixes this... and no your not forced to do anything, you can play with likeminded on the servers that dosent have faction locks...
To give you a example this is your reasoning, i want to pvp, but i have no peopel to pvp with, so lets force all pve peopel to pvp also ?... do you understand that people have difren preference off play ?
wut?
If I read the above correctly, my problem is I am spoilt for choice for people to play with.I hav a preference, like alot of other people, we dont wat to play with faction hoppers, now what you do, is entirly up to you, you will have campaigns where you can faction hop inside, and what you do there i dont care...
Don't hate me because I have friends in different factions. Blame god for making me so damn lovable.
Given the lack of population (and this applies to off peak only, so large chunks of the world), I ask this hypothetical. When critical mass happens, and the map is painted, at that point you're either gating or gated, it doesn't matter, what are you going to do for PvP?
Again, don't suggest Shor. Or Sotha. They're PvDoor.
Thats still not my problem... you have a preference of play, deal with it, dont force others...
Why don't you take a dose of your own advice.
you will have options like everyone else...
Unless, of course, you have friends across factions who want to play in Vivec, then you're just out of luck....
Next cause of complaint: My faction is completely outnumbered at night and filthy nightcappers keep painting the map!
Then ask them sign up for same faction locked campaign as you, or play at one without faction locks ?1 -
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✭✭✭DC will be absorbed by the other two factions... I'm calling it now. It's already happening to an extent and they are crumbling.
This would be terrible for the game.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »So essentially every 30 days there is a slight possibility that the server could become balanced providing several guilds from the dominating faction completely re roll to another faction, remain on the same server and coordinate server wide to ensure that not too many guilds from the dominating faction re roll to the same faction at the same time? Seems a bit much to me. I play and prefer non CP, where is my non CP option?
Well, to each their own, everyone can still play as they did, there will be campaign with locks, and there will be campaigns that dosent have locks...
Except non CP and if you prefer a 30 day campaign right? I don't think many would care if ZOS gave YOU the option by providing a locked campaign instead of dictating to everyone else where and how to play. See the irony here?
I gotta agree that the way zos is implementing this is weird. There should be a non-locked no CP, full stop.
Before zos went down this road, I suggested instead of locks, there should be better incentives to stay faction loyal. But they went the other direction. Frankly, locking two 7 day campaigns and keeping 30 day as is makes a ton more sense to me.
All that aside, I'd be thoroughly surprised if @Joy_Division is correct and they haven't looked at any numbers at all before making this change. The only responsible thing for zos to have done, would have been at least look at 1 faction players against multi-faction players. That would give them a baseline for a change like this.
I also think there is a bigger process going on here and that is to eventually end the 3 banners war and institute another mode of open world pvp. For the war to end, there needs to be a victor, and perhaps campaign locks are to establish that.
Let's assume ZOS somehow has these numbers of all my individual /play for all my characters while in Cyrodiil, sorted them according to alliance, and then compared them ... and then proceeded to do this with thousands of players across multiple platforms and servers. What of them? ZOS has *no context* for what those numbers mean. Or are you going to be so biased to assume that because the "numbers" indicate I played EP for a total of 2456 minutes and AD for 1987 minutes, that automatically means I'm AP boosting, spying, turning around siege, handing off scrolls to my friends, etc.? They have zero idea what those numbers mean so they are meaningless. Yeah ZOS, thanks for being Big Brother. You figured out I like to play with my AD friends during primetime and my EP Aussie friends overnight. To which of the 8 divines should I repent for my sins?
For years, the same people who have been hammering ZOS for not playing their game, having no clue, making irresponsible decisions now all of a sudden are white knighting ZOS, trying to convince everyone that they carefully sorted through the "numbers" and responsibly considered all the implications? At least this thread is amusing.
You got your way. Just gloat rather than trying to sell us on what ZOS is doing. That's their job. We will soon see if the change and the gloating is justified.7