Veteran players need to be more vocal

Ghostbane

The only way this playing generation learns is by locking it all up. We'll be unlocked by the IC anniversary.

InvictusApollo

Iskiab wrote: »

Why? You guys are all doom and gloom. What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

You are extremely short sighted and obviously either don't remember or weren't present at the time we had faction lock.
Every campaign was dominated by one faction. It drove many people away, including me. After the removal of a faction lock we finally had some balance.

idk

OP is very wrong. There were player very vocal. The small group of players who have wanted faction lock clearly stated a lot of conjecture and empty words as hollow proof of their baseless claims.

They were very vocal with meaningless dribble and only some of us pointed out their information was not real.

So in the end, Zos listens to the vocal minority time and time again. In the brilliant wisdom they often lack Zos chose the most active campaign to do their test. So in the end, Zos will not learn squat because the person who runs the show does not have a clue about how to run this game.

So the bigger question to Johnny Come Lately @Prince_of_all_Pugs is where were you when all these threads were created over the past couple years? You were not here.

Morgul667

Faction lock is being implemented because many people abused the system

Im quite happy it is happening

Trying to divide community, suggesting good players are against it and bad players are in favor, is just plain funny

idk

Morgul667 wrote: »

Faction lock is being implemented because many people abused the system

Im quite happy it is happening

Trying to divide community, suggesting good players are against it and bad players are in favor, is just plain funny

@Morgul667

Proof?

I ask because it seems you are very wrong. Not only did Zos not provide that as a reason but if it was actuaslly the case they would do this to all campaigns since there would be no reason for a "trial"

It is easy to toss out baseless claims and it Zos does not seem to be supporting your claim.

SacredEarth

Iki wrote: »

Faction-lock is nice idea and maybe should have stayed in the game all this time, but that ship sailed already.
What we really should be asking for is some kind of dynamic population caps to prevent gross imbalances.

I could not care less if Frank Factionhopper wants to be my ally during afternoon and enemy during evening, but what I do care about is how balanced numbers are on battlefield. It doesn`t matter if your side is the dominant or losing side, quality of pvp is bad in both cases.
And if you happen to be memeber of underdog faction and vast majority of your playtime is having frustrating uphill battle where more often than not you are predetermined to lose, what`s the point of playing? I just fail to see how faction-lock could help with this.
Competition is good when all sides have realistic chance to win, not if deck is stacked for one side.

Good sense being made here^^^ Has there been any talk of a dynamic population controls? Maybe "controls" is the wrong word...

Ackwalan

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Why? You guys are all doom and gloom. What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

You are extremely short sighted and obviously either don't remember or weren't present at the time we had faction lock.
Every campaign was dominated by one faction. It drove many people away, including me. After the removal of a faction lock we finally had some balance.

There were also many more servers to pick from, 15 at one time if I remember. With the limited number of servers we have these days it won't be the same.

disintegr8

People who really want to change factions in a campaign will do so and sacrifice their AP because all most of them care about is winning - and most have more AP than they could ever use anyway.

Any sort of population controls should only ever be considered if each 'continent' has their own server. When I log on it's about midnight on the US server and 6am on the EU server. Why should I have to queue with maybe 1 bar active foe each faction just so snowflakes can sleep?

If I go into PVP and we are getting trounced or there is no action, I would rather go and do something else instead of jumping on another alliance. Faction lock doesn't bother me, after all it's still only a game.

Marcus684

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Why? You guys are all doom and gloom. What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

You are extremely short sighted and obviously either don't remember or weren't present at the time we had faction lock.
Every campaign was dominated by one faction. It drove many people away, including me. After the removal of a faction lock we finally had some balance.

That’s not quite true. Back then, we had one competitive server and several buff servers, because Cyrodiil buffs carried over into PvE land and PvE players would flood their buff server if another alliance threatened to take them away. We had just too many servers to maintain a healthy population in more than one. How about we just stop complaining about faction locks on 1 server and just see what happens, hmmm?

Beardimus

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Huh. I'm confused. No faction locking means you can't stick with one faction exclusively? Do you get forced into pvp on other toons that aren't your desired faction? You should bug report it, definitely something not right there.

Nice try. You know full well what he means, clearly we can stick to the faction of our choosing right now, but others can ruin it with how they use switching.

I don't get why the anti-lock brigade aren't directing their grievance at the cheaters and boosters that made this happen.

Pro-lock camp don't want a lock for some arbitary reason, they want it because people have been abusing it all too often, and we're fed up of it - and ZOS agree. It's that simple.

Rather than sarcasm and belittling of how other players want to play (i e legitimately) be constructive about solutions to fix or drop the boosting, flipping and cheating.

ZOS are making a middle ground, be happy. We NEVER had a middle ground.

Beardimus

idk wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Faction lock is being implemented because many people abused the system

Im quite happy it is happening

Trying to divide community, suggesting good players are against it and bad players are in favor, is just plain funny

@Morgul667

Proof?

I ask because it seems you are very wrong. Not only did Zos not provide that as a reason but if it was actuaslly the case they would do this to all campaigns since there would be no reason for a "trial"

It is easy to toss out baseless claims and it Zos does not seem to be supporting your claim.

Where's your proof, that anything that you say is right?
Honnestly read my post above. Rather than battling and diminishing players views as non existing - or lies. Be realistic. Enough people are fed up of the cheating.

You can add jokes about spieeees or belittle it with saying its RP. Etc etc but it gets you no where. Using faction hoping for Boosting and cheating is a thing. Enough have experienced it to create the volume needed. It's that simple. Burying head in the sand won't change that

People don't want a lock for made up reasons. They want it as they are fed up.

Direct your anger and effort against the cheats. They did this. Or at solutions to fix the issues. If its not a lock what is it. Rather than running down people with a view of wanting to play legitimate PvP.

As above, ZOS have locked some and not all as clearly there are a proportion of the player base that don't want a lock they and we know this Thus they are spot on in their action to lock some and. It offer choice.

Am i surprised they did vivec, yes. Is that where most of the anti lock guys appear to play - yes. As I've said in all debates prior I'm after locks on kyne, Shor and sotha. Surprised at vivec. I'm happy with at least having option now tho a middle ground.

Why can't you be happy both sides of this debate now have options, players have been heard. You might not agree but now there is a choice. That's a good thing for all.

Man people are change adverse here.

labambao

My view of faction lock:
1. Pick the campaign.
2. Choose your alliance
3. Next 30 days on this campaign all your chars will on the side of chosen alliance
4. Same with other guest campaigns, so you can play sotha as dc and vivec as ep and shor as ad for example.
Accountlock for each campaign.

InvictusApollo

labambao wrote: »

My view of faction lock:
1. Pick the campaign.
2. Choose your alliance
3. Next 30 days on this campaign all your chars will on the side of chosen alliance
4. Same with other guest campaigns, so you can play sotha as dc and vivec as ep and shor as ad for example.
Accountlock for each campaign.

That would solve the issue of not being able to play with all of your characters but not balancing pleyer numbers.

zyk

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Why? You guys are all doom and gloom. What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

You are extremely short sighted and obviously either don't remember or weren't present at the time we had faction lock.
Every campaign was dominated by one faction. It drove many people away, including me. After the removal of a faction lock we finally had some balance.

This isn't true at all. The main campaign was more or less as it is today and Haderus was actually much healthier overall. But AvA was also more popular then.

This isn't a black and white issue that can be generalized completely accurately because we're talking about the actions of thousands of players. We have different perspectives, experiences and opinions. In my experience, completely removing faction locks did not have any beneficial effect on population balance or combat parity.

After the locks were completely removed, we gradually saw the rise of more casual hopping and the constant reinforcement of the winning side when one faction gained a competitive advantage over the others.

PC/NA/AD fell into a tail spin not long after. Many correlated this to faction hopping tendencies. I felt the culture in my AD PVP guild change. In trade guilds, I could observe a large segment of PVP enthusiasts, and there was a clear shift to EP that culminated in a clear year or more of dominance.

I don't have the data to prove any of this. Someone can easily counter with their experiences which would be just as valid. But whatever the case may be, it is not a fact that removing faction locks solved any kind of parity problems at all. It is just as likely it made them worse.

Don't forget, players have always had the ability to make long term moves. Those are the moves that stabilize weak factions, not the ability to casually change on a whim.

Haashhtaag

I think a reason a lot of the veteran players in this game currently aren’t more vocal is because we’ve had 4-5 years of being vocal be largely ignored by the devs.

Ranger209

In reality there are veteran players on both sides of this issue.

idk

Beardimus wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Faction lock is being implemented because many people abused the system

Im quite happy it is happening

Trying to divide community, suggesting good players are against it and bad players are in favor, is just plain funny

@Morgul667

Proof?

I ask because it seems you are very wrong. Not only did Zos not provide that as a reason but if it was actuaslly the case they would do this to all campaigns since there would be no reason for a "trial"

It is easy to toss out baseless claims and it Zos does not seem to be supporting your claim.

Where's your proof, that anything that you say is right?
Honnestly read my post above. Rather than battling and diminishing players views as non existing - or lies. Be realistic. Enough people are fed up of the cheating.

You can add jokes about spieeees or belittle it with saying its RP. Etc etc but it gets you no where. Using faction hoping for Boosting and cheating is a thing. Enough have experienced it to create the volume needed. It's that simple. Burying head in the sand won't change that

People don't want a lock for made up reasons. They want it as they are fed up.

Direct your anger and effort against the cheats. They did this. Or at solutions to fix the issues. If its not a lock what is it. Rather than running down people with a view of wanting to play legitimate PvP.

As above, ZOS have locked some and not all as clearly there are a proportion of the player base that don't want a lock they and we know this Thus they are spot on in their action to lock some and. It offer choice.

Am i surprised they did vivec, yes. Is that where most of the anti lock guys appear to play - yes. As I've said in all debates prior I'm after locks on kyne, Shor and sotha. Surprised at vivec. I'm happy with at least having option now tho a middle ground.

Why can't you be happy both sides of this debate now have options, players have been heard. You might not agree but now there is a choice. That's a good thing for all.

Man people are change adverse here.

Really? Try actually reading what you quoted.

I asked for proof for an overly generalized comment with no basis provided where the basis of my reply is clearly directly of Zos' statement on why they are making this change. You have a problem with you need to take it up with Rich before making senseless comments bashing others.

I also read your post above this reply to my previous comment and it seemed rather dismissive which seems rather hypocritical of you.

I do find it odd how you seem to add much more to the comment as though I said more than you quoted. I expect it helps to make it look like you are making solid comments.

idk

labambao wrote: »

My view of faction lock:
1. Pick the campaign.
2. Choose your alliance
3. Next 30 days on this campaign all your chars will on the side of chosen alliance
4. Same with other guest campaigns, so you can play sotha as dc and vivec as ep and shor as ad for example.
Accountlock for each campaign.

This is how it was before Zos chose to eliminate faction lock so it is not your view. It is pretty much how faction lock works We already chose our faction when we rolled our characters.

idk (obviously), maybe I missed something like you thought some people did not understand what faction lock is.

labambao

idk wrote: »

labambao wrote: »

My view of faction lock:
1. Pick the campaign.
2. Choose your alliance
3. Next 30 days on this campaign all your chars will on the side of chosen alliance
4. Same with other guest campaigns, so you can play sotha as dc and vivec as ep and shor as ad for example.
Accountlock for each campaign.

This is how it was before Zos chose to eliminate faction lock so it is not your view. It is pretty much how faction lock works We already chose our faction when we rolled our characters.

idk (obviously), maybe I missed something like you thought some people did not understand what faction lock is.

i mean that character not have a alliance. you can play any char but with only one alliance that you pick at the start of campaign for this campaign. so you can have only one char and be able to play 3 campaigns, each different alliance same time.

ZOS_RogerJ

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Sheezabeast

I’m going to miss playing on AD when EP goes full potato and ruins the map....I don’t like Shor, all my friends play Vivec, friends on AD and EP. Being forced to pick between which friends i wanna run with is going to suck.

DisgracefulMind

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I’m going to miss playing on AD when EP goes full potato and ruins the map....I don’t like Shor, all my friends play Vivec, friends on AD and EP. Being forced to pick between which friends i wanna run with is going to suck.

That's the situation I'm in. Some of my closest friends in this game are DC mains. I've been playing with them for over 4 years. Now I have to choose. Sucks.

ll_Rev

Nogawd wrote: »

I have played since beta for EP only.

Where do you think my vote goes?

Play your faction.

yeah it isn't veterans vs casuals. It's more like zerglings vs good players. Zerglings wanting the faction lock.

Enkil

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it’s a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

CatchMeTrolling

Enkil wrote: »

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

Lol it’ll do the complete opposite. It’s like no one remembers old open world pvp.

Anyways, once a faction starts dominating, which is bound to happen; it’ll be the end of that campaign.

Enkil

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

Lol it’ll do the complete opposite. It’s like no one remembers old open world pvp.

Anyways, once a faction starts dominating, which is bound to happen; it’ll be the end of that campaign.

Huh? ESO has never been even remotely an open world PvP game but I do fondly remember playing games that were for many years prior. ESO PvP has been confined to Cyro always and even tho we begged for PvP in the zones, the devs scrapped that around the same time I left the game in 2015.

In ESO, things were WAY different at the beginning if that’s what you mean... too many campaigns, emp farming rampant for permanent former emp buffs, PvP buffs stayed on when in PvE, so on and so on.. apples and oranges.

Point is many long term veteran players that don’t like zerging or gate camping and all that BS want locks, so don’t generalize and try to make it into some simplistic A vs. B battle.

Some campaigns will be locked and some will be FFA. Period. That discussion is over.

Move on.... and try to influence the plans if you aren’t happy with the current proposal...

ellahellabella

Enkil wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

Lol it’ll do the complete opposite. It’s like no one remembers old open world pvp.

Anyways, once a faction starts dominating, which is bound to happen; it’ll be the end of that campaign.

Huh? ESO has never been even remotely an open world PvP game but I do fondly remember playing games that were for many years prior. ESO PvP has been confined to Cyro always and even tho we begged for PvP in the zones, the devs scrapped that around the same time I left the game in 2015.

In ESO, things were WAY different at the beginning if that’s what you mean... too many campaigns, emp farming rampant for permanent former emp buffs, PvP buffs stayed on when in PvE, so on and so on.. apples and oranges.

Point is many long term veteran players that don’t like zerging or gate camping and all that BS want locks so don’t generalize and try to make it into some simplistic A vs. B battle.

Some campaigns will get be locked and some will be FFA. Period. That discussion is over.

Move on.... and try to influence the plans if you aren’t happy with the current proposal...

But.... It's faction loyalists that do the gate large zerg raids and gate camping. Mentality being: Gotta get them 150 point evals to win!

CatchMeTrolling

Enkil wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

Lol it’ll do the complete opposite. It’s like no one remembers old open world pvp.

Anyways, once a faction starts dominating, which is bound to happen; it’ll be the end of that campaign.

Huh? ESO has never been even remotely an open world PvP game but I do fondly remember playing games that were for many years prior. ESO PvP has been confined to Cyro always and even tho we begged for PvP in the zones, the devs scrapped that around the same time I left the game in 2015.

In ESO, things were WAY different at the beginning if that’s what you mean... too many campaigns, emp farming rampant for permanent former emp buffs, PvP buffs stayed on when in PvE, so on and so on.. apples and oranges.

Point is many long term veteran players that don’t like zerging or gate camping and all that BS want locks so don’t generalize and try to make it into some simplistic A vs. B battle.

Some campaigns will get be locked and some will be FFA. Period. That discussion is over.

Move on.... and try to influence the plans if you aren’t happy with the current proposal...

What are you even going on about

Enkil

ellahellabella wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

Lol it’ll do the complete opposite. It’s like no one remembers old open world pvp.

Anyways, once a faction starts dominating, which is bound to happen; it’ll be the end of that campaign.

Huh? ESO has never been even remotely an open world PvP game but I do fondly remember playing games that were for many years prior. ESO PvP has been confined to Cyro always and even tho we begged for PvP in the zones, the devs scrapped that around the same time I left the game in 2015.

In ESO, things were WAY different at the beginning if that’s what you mean... too many campaigns, emp farming rampant for permanent former emp buffs, PvP buffs stayed on when in PvE, so on and so on.. apples and oranges.

Point is many long term veteran players that don’t like zerging or gate camping and all that BS want locks so don’t generalize and try to make it into some simplistic A vs. B battle.

Some campaigns will get be locked and some will be FFA. Period. That discussion is over.

Move on.... and try to influence the plans if you aren’t happy with the current proposal...

But.... It's faction loyalists that do the gate large zerg raids and gate camping. Mentality being: Gotta get them 150 point evals to win!

On what campaign? platform?

IDGAF about points myself. Please don’t conflate zerglings with people that want locks. That’s pure folly.

Where I play, the map will sometimes be all controlled by one color and faction hopper players that log in on underdog toons will see that then log back out and onto a toon from that dominating faction and gate camp the pecious few players you are calling “faction loyalists.” LMAO. In my observations on non pop-locked campaigns it is often faction hoppers that are compounding and exacerbating the zerging and gate camping by logging onto the dominating side for easy AP and buffs that come from scrolls and emp. It’s a an extremely small minority that truly hop to play on the underdog and would never come close to compensating for the many that hop to play on the already dominating team. We all know this. (Stop pretending)

ellahellabella

Enkil wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Title implies it’s a bunch of newbs asking for faction lock. Not so!!

I deplore zerging, coloring the map one color and especially abhor gate camping from anyone and actively discourage all these when I am on. I want a faction locked campaign which I think will minimize these things there. Perhaps you all are playing on different campaigns or platforms and have different experiences but please don’t pretend it a bunch of Zerglings wanting faction lock. That is an absolutely absurd notion.

Lol it’ll do the complete opposite. It’s like no one remembers old open world pvp.

Anyways, once a faction starts dominating, which is bound to happen; it’ll be the end of that campaign.

Huh? ESO has never been even remotely an open world PvP game but I do fondly remember playing games that were for many years prior. ESO PvP has been confined to Cyro always and even tho we begged for PvP in the zones, the devs scrapped that around the same time I left the game in 2015.

In ESO, things were WAY different at the beginning if that’s what you mean... too many campaigns, emp farming rampant for permanent former emp buffs, PvP buffs stayed on when in PvE, so on and so on.. apples and oranges.

Point is many long term veteran players that don’t like zerging or gate camping and all that BS want locks so don’t generalize and try to make it into some simplistic A vs. B battle.

Some campaigns will get be locked and some will be FFA. Period. That discussion is over.

Move on.... and try to influence the plans if you aren’t happy with the current proposal...

But.... It's faction loyalists that do the gate large zerg raids and gate camping. Mentality being: Gotta get them 150 point evals to win!

On what campaign? platform?

IDGAF about points myself.

Where I play, the map will sometimes be all comtorlled one color and faction hopper players that log in on underdog toons will see that log back out and onto a toon from that dominating faction and gate camp the pecious few players you are calling “faction loyalists.” LMAO. In my experience where I play it most often hoppers that are compounding and exacerbating the zerging and gate camping.

You are a faction loyalist... Not my problem if you see that as an insault. Also I love how you generalise that since it happens on one platform and one megaserver it happens on EVERY platform.
Yet more bias...