Veteran players need to be more vocal

Prince_of_all_Pugs

The veteran player base in pvp needs to be more vocal, coordinated and supportive of each on the forums. Faction lock is happening because we did not do any of this. We need to take a stand and stop being so toxic toward each other, or we might have more terrible changes in store for the alliance war.

Diundriel

if i speak here i mostly speak for my Guild as not everyone has a Forum account or has the time to write sth in a thread like this.
It is just sad that the silent community, which probably Play eso since beginnging many with eso+ (spend already 500euros or more on eso ^^ over the years) are not heard or no one thinks About them.
ESO for me is a game that I'd like to enjoy. I want to enjoy Teamplay and fights with my Friends and Guild. I dont get the sense of faction lock, People get dedicated to one faction and we gonna have a fair Campaign result?-that is kinda an Illusion.
People will nightcap anyway on campaigns and destroy what People Play for in Primetime... if you want to fix sth for Campaign then base the Points you get for Campaign on the amount of Players that have played on other factions compared to the faction you are on....
a mystery for me

sry for bad english, i am not a native Speaker

DisgracefulMind

I've been very vocal in the past on the forums, recently not so much because it doesn't seem to make any difference anyways. But you're right, there were more faction rp---err loyalists who screamed and cried all over the forums to get what they wanted. I hope ZoS decides to cancel faction lock, and I hope more people speak out on it.

Diundriel

yea it doesnt feel like you would have any influence on decision making

Prince_of_all_Pugs

It worked for them

dazee

Faction lock hurts only the casual pvpers who make up 75% of the pvp population.

FakeFox

Elitist! Elitist!

Diundriel

pls dont bring that to life Servers, horrible idea, tho i am kinda interested in seeing how These IC Campaign works (to see atleast something positive)

Alucardo

I'm actually really interested to see how the faction lock affects the alliance numbers. I'm all for it tbh. Besides, the faction lock is happening not because you weren't vocal, but because people have been abusing faction swapping for too long. If nobody abused it, then a lock would never have even been brought up in the first place.

MipMip

Diundriel wrote: »

pls dont bring that to life Servers, horrible idea, tho i am kinda interested in seeing how These IC Campaign works (to see atleast something positive)

Yes it's sad and shocking to be presented with such a plan that would remove the playstyle I prefer. This is not about buffing one ability or class or nerfing another, this is about changing the type of game I (and many others) purchased and into which I have invested several years of sub (subbing on two accounts) etc... not to mention many hours of my time. I still have a hard time believing this would actually go live.

Iskiab

Why? You guys are all doom and gloom. What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

Kikke

I am a vet, and I am for faction locks. Faction locks are a good thing. Bring back faction pride, faction loyalty and the option to actually play the map instead of endless AP grind.

I've been here for both the old school faction lock and the free for all thing we have today. And lets just say there is a reason I don't PvP anymore.

If you want free for all PvP, go to the new IC that will open up at the same time faction locks gets introduced.

Ranger209

Why shouldn't people who are in favor of faction locking be able to play the game the way we want to play it? Does the "play the way you want" mantra not apply to us as well? There will be servers of both types for players of both types now, so that we faction loyalists are not forced to play in a way that we do not wish to. ZOS is not removing your playstyle from the game they are adding ours to it. If there are as many people that like to faction swap as some seem to think then you all collectively should have no problem filling a server any more than those who are faction loyal. We will see how it plays out, I have no idea, but I do know that I am far from alone in wanting faction loyalty to be a thing

VaranisArano

MipMip wrote: »

Diundriel wrote: »

pls dont bring that to life Servers, horrible idea, tho i am kinda interested in seeing how These IC Campaign works (to see atleast something positive)

Yes it's sad and shocking to be presented with such a plan that would remove the playstyle I prefer. This is not about buffing one ability or class or nerfing another, this is about changing the type of game I (and many others) purchased and into which I have invested several years of sub (subbing on two accounts) etc... not to mention many hours of my time. I still have a hard time believing this would actually go live.

I'm rather amused that any veteran player who played prior to the removal of the faction locks could say the same.

Nogawd

I have played since beta for EP only.

Where do you think my vote goes?

Play your faction.

Alucardo

Iskiab wrote: »

Why? You guys are all doom and gloom. What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

Literally just left a guild tonight because they all logged EP toons to capture the scroll with the rest of the zerg. There was like 4 DC against at least 13-14 EP.
If they hadn't have left our side we may have had the numbers to defend. Seriously, this lock can't come soon enough.

Iki

Faction-lock is nice idea and maybe should have stayed in the game all this time, but that ship sailed already.
What we really should be asking for is some kind of dynamic population caps to prevent gross imbalances.

I could not care less if Frank Factionhopper wants to be my ally during afternoon and enemy during evening, but what I do care about is how balanced numbers are on battlefield. It doesn`t matter if your side is the dominant or losing side, quality of pvp is bad in both cases.
And if you happen to be memeber of underdog faction and vast majority of your playtime is having frustrating uphill battle where more often than not you are predetermined to lose, what`s the point of playing? I just fail to see how faction-lock could help with this.
Competition is good when all sides have realistic chance to win, not if deck is stacked for one side.

MipMip

Ranger209 wrote: »

Why shouldn't people who are in favor of faction locking be able to play the game the way we want to play it? Does the "play the way you want" mantra not apply to us as well? There will be servers of both types for players of both types now, so that we faction loyalists are not forced to play in a way that we do not wish to. ZOS is not removing your playstyle from the game they are adding ours to it. If there are as many people that like to faction swap as some seem to think then you all collectively should have no problem filling a server any more than those who are faction loyal. We will see how it plays out, I have no idea, but I do know that I am far from alone in wanting faction loyalty to be a thing

Certainly you should have your campaign(s) where you can play as you prefer, but players who enjoy campaigns without faction locks should also have their campaign(s), and no Shor / Kyne / IC is not it. So no, if this really goes live there will not be servers in an equal way for both types of players.

Ackwalan

A lot of veteran don't want a faction lock, a lot of veteran player do want a faction lock. Change is the only constant, so give it six months and see where it goes.

geonsocal

my heart says this:

dazee wrote: »

Faction lock hurts only the casual pvpers who make up 75% of the pvp population.

my head says this:

Ackwalan wrote: »

A lot of veteran don't want a faction lock, a lot of veteran player do want a faction lock. Change is the only constant, so give it six months and see where it goes.

Marcus684

Speak for yourself. #VeteransForFactionLock

zyk

I propose a faction latch which would perform exactly the same as a lock but without all the baggage.

Metafae

There's no such thing as a night cap when it's always day somewhere for someone playing.

Kadoin

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm actually really interested to see how the faction lock affects the alliance numbers. I'm all for it tbh. Besides, the faction lock is happening not because you weren't vocal, but because people have been abusing faction swapping for too long. If nobody abused it, then a lock would never have even been brought up in the first place.

I can tell you how it will affect mine: one less player in the queue and/or registered in PvP campaign.

Mayrael

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm actually really interested to see how the faction lock affects the alliance numbers. I'm all for it tbh. Besides, the faction lock is happening not because you weren't vocal, but because people have been abusing faction swapping for too long. If nobody abused it, then a lock would never have even been brought up in the first place.

This. And I'm a vet player. I wouldn't mind faction swapping but because it's used in a dirty way very often, I'm happy now. Sorry for those of you who just wanted to play each side, but blame the ones who abused faction swapping, they caused this.

Kadoin

Mayrael wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm actually really interested to see how the faction lock affects the alliance numbers. I'm all for it tbh. Besides, the faction lock is happening not because you weren't vocal, but because people have been abusing faction swapping for too long. If nobody abused it, then a lock would never have even been brought up in the first place.

This. And I'm a vet player. I wouldn't mind faction swapping but because it's used in a dirty way very often, I'm happy now. Sorry for those of you who just wanted to play each side, but blame the ones who abused faction swapping, they caused this.

No need. When the points are back to being one faction with 10K points higher than the others, even in Vivec, I will be sipping my tea in PvE.

Mayrael

Kadoin wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm actually really interested to see how the faction lock affects the alliance numbers. I'm all for it tbh. Besides, the faction lock is happening not because you weren't vocal, but because people have been abusing faction swapping for too long. If nobody abused it, then a lock would never have even been brought up in the first place.

This. And I'm a vet player. I wouldn't mind faction swapping but because it's used in a dirty way very often, I'm happy now. Sorry for those of you who just wanted to play each side, but blame the ones who abused faction swapping, they caused this.

No need. When the points are back to being one faction with 10K points higher than the others, even in Vivec, I will be sipping my tea in PvE.

Only 10k points? Don't you know that through last years AD on PC EU was first (at least till Murkmire) almost every month, many times having more than 20k points more than a second alliance without faction lock? We can't predict how this will work, but it's worth a try, right now players can swap any time to winning side making it even stronger, snow ball effect. With a lock they won't be able to swap and will have no other choice than fighting for the losing side.

Zevrro

Metafae wrote: »

There's no such thing as a night cap when it's always day somewhere for someone playing.

Its not the time of day that makes nightcapping frowned upon, its the fact that the entire map is taken without defense. Playing during the night because its daytime for you is perfectly fine but when you're spending hours sieging empty keeps and running all the scrolls back that's where "campaign play" becomes futile.

Veg

When you try to make a point

Mr_Walker

Iskiab wrote: »

What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the winning faction so the pvp improves.

What it will mainly do is stop people from just logging in to the losing factions so the pvdoor improves.

Ranger209 wrote: »

Why shouldn't people who are in favor of faction locking be able to play the game the way we want to play it?

Huh. I'm confused. No faction locking means you can't stick with one faction exclusively? Do you get forced into pvp on other toons that aren't your desired faction? You should bug report it, definitely something not right there.

Mr_Walker

Mayrael wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm actually really interested to see how the faction lock affects the alliance numbers. I'm all for it tbh. Besides, the faction lock is happening not because you weren't vocal, but because people have been abusing faction swapping for too long. If nobody abused it, then a lock would never have even been brought up in the first place.

This. And I'm a vet player. I wouldn't mind faction swapping but because it's used in a dirty way very often, I'm happy now. Sorry for those of you who just wanted to play each side, but blame the ones who abused faction swapping, they caused this.

No need. When the points are back to being one faction with 10K points higher than the others, even in Vivec, I will be sipping my tea in PvE.

Only 10k points? Don't you know that through last years AD on PC EU was first (at least till Murkmire) almost every month, many times having more than 20k points more than a second alliance without faction lock? We can't predict how this will work, but it's worth a try, right now players can swap any time to winning side making it even stronger, snow ball effect. With a lock they won't be able to swap and will have no other choice than fighting for the losing side.

They would have plenty of other choices. Not bothering to get kerbstomped in an unwinnable campaign is a choice. I could play pve. Watching cat videos on youtube is apparently a thing. There's always great quality TV these days. The dog always appreciates an extra long walk. I could read a book. I could learn to read! So many choices!

On the flip side, pve purists rejoice. You may get your solo pve cyrodiil faster than you'd ever dreamed, because this decision is just another nail in the pvp coffin.