Largest Zerg

NBrookus

thegreat_one wrote: »

My thoughts on the cap are this.

EP Locks their pop. But no Q.
Ad has two bars, so EP can still have people join.

AD pop locks. But Still no Q for ep.

DC has 2 bars. Ep can still join without q.

EP fills DC pop till it locks.

After EP has fill the entire Pop for all three factions......

Then there is a q for everyone.

Zos is so hush hush about this it makes me sick

No. There is a queue for locked EP even when AD and DC are not locked. And vice versa. Each faction has a separate population cap.

pcar944

last time I played I heard Crow wasn't playing anymore, but that was a while back, glad to see you back! when I was on EP at that point in time the zone chat lit up when you logged on it was so much fun

_Crow

Ty! Ya I just got back a few months ago and wanted to see if I could get a Zerg guild started! Glad to see EP still had need of one! 😃 @pcar944

antihero727

_Crow wrote: »

Ty! Ya I just got back a few months ago and wanted to see if I could get a Zerg guild started! Glad to see EP still had need of one! 😃 @pcar944

Gratz on destroying server performance last night. Largest we got a count on you was 89 so at any point did you break your record?

Crown

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

Ahtu

antihero727 wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Ty! Ya I just got back a few months ago and wanted to see if I could get a Zerg guild started! Glad to see EP still had need of one! 😃 @pcar944

Gratz on destroying server performance last night. Largest we got a count on you was 89 so at any point did you break your record?

We had four groups going but did not break our record. Somebody was running another PUG group and pulling LFGs from zone chat. We will try to break the record on Tuesday or Wednesday this week when other EP guilds aren't online.

antihero727

Crown wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

Lol an official response in PvP forums. Idk if it’s directed to be silent here or every time they comment it’s a onslaught of criticism. We as a community need to come together to fix this AOTP issues because we will never get any “official” help or guidance. We have both been around long enough to hope but not hold our breath.

antihero727

Ahtu wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Ty! Ya I just got back a few months ago and wanted to see if I could get a Zerg guild started! Glad to see EP still had need of one! 😃 @pcar944

Gratz on destroying server performance last night. Largest we got a count on you was 89 so at any point did you break your record?

We had four groups going but did not break our record. Somebody was running another PUG group and pulling LFGs from zone chat. We will try to break the record on Tuesday or Wednesday this week when other EP guilds aren't online.

Are you actually proud of this? Last night was almost unplayable for most groups. You might be ok with this 6 sec delay but most are not. Your behavior is killing an already dying community quicker ever time you hit the server.

technohic

antihero727 wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

Lol an official response in PvP forums. Idk if it’s directed to be silent here or every time they comment it’s a onslaught of criticism. We as a community need to come together to fix this AOTP issues because we will never get any “official” help or guidance. We have both been around long enough to hope but not hold our breath.

So what are people to do on their own? All I can think of is shame them to death but these people have no shame. Its almost move to another campaign or game.

antihero727

technohic wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

Lol an official response in PvP forums. Idk if it’s directed to be silent here or every time they comment it’s a onslaught of criticism. We as a community need to come together to fix this AOTP issues because we will never get any “official” help or guidance. We have both been around long enough to hope but not hold our breath.

So what are people to do on their own? All I can think of is shame them to death but these people have no shame. Its almost move to another campaign or game.

I say we gate EP while AOTP are logged on. We do the same thing on guilds that stack multiple raids in their coms no matter what faction they are on. This excludes natural faction stacks at key points of the map. If 2 factions take a stand vs this garbage it shouldn’t be long till this tactic is no fun. EP should help with this too. Thoughts?

Ahtu

antihero727 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Ty! Ya I just got back a few months ago and wanted to see if I could get a Zerg guild started! Glad to see EP still had need of one! 😃 @pcar944

Gratz on destroying server performance last night. Largest we got a count on you was 89 so at any point did you break your record?

We had four groups going but did not break our record. Somebody was running another PUG group and pulling LFGs from zone chat. We will try to break the record on Tuesday or Wednesday this week when other EP guilds aren't online.

Are you actually proud of this? Last night was almost unplayable for most groups. You might be ok with this 6 sec delay but most are not. Your behavior is killing an already dying community quicker ever time you hit the server.

I'm just playing the game how I want to play it. I have built my character specifically for large battles and have no interest in smaller fights. I'm not changing my playstyle and instead encourage people to form large armies to combat AP.

antihero727

Ahtu wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Ty! Ya I just got back a few months ago and wanted to see if I could get a Zerg guild started! Glad to see EP still had need of one! 😃 @pcar944

Gratz on destroying server performance last night. Largest we got a count on you was 89 so at any point did you break your record?

We had four groups going but did not break our record. Somebody was running another PUG group and pulling LFGs from zone chat. We will try to break the record on Tuesday or Wednesday this week when other EP guilds aren't online.

Are you actually proud of this? Last night was almost unplayable for most groups. You might be ok with this 6 sec delay but most are not. Your behavior is killing an already dying community quicker ever time you hit the server.

I'm just playing the game how I want to play it. I have built my character specifically for large battles and have no interest in smaller fights. I don't experience any delays so maybe the issue is on your end.

Performance issues are felt by many not just on my end. Now you sound like ZOS tech support. Talking on discord while the “no valid internet connection” message appears on the login screen. I see a lot of those fighting your group from disconnects.

technohic

antihero727 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

Lol an official response in PvP forums. Idk if it’s directed to be silent here or every time they comment it’s a onslaught of criticism. We as a community need to come together to fix this AOTP issues because we will never get any “official” help or guidance. We have both been around long enough to hope but not hold our breath.

So what are people to do on their own? All I can think of is shame them to death but these people have no shame. Its almost move to another campaign or game.

I say we gate EP while AOTP are logged on. We do the same thing on guilds that stack multiple raids in their coms no matter what faction they are on. This excludes natural faction stacks at key points of the map. If 2 factions take a stand vs this garbage it shouldn’t be long till this tactic is no fun. EP should help with this too. Thoughts?

I like the idea and it would take both AD and DC to split the gates but I am not sure there are 86 DC PvPing in Vivec most nights, and if there are; trying to get them to cooperate is a fools errand that few try and wind up seemingly losing their minds. About the best you could do would be if you could get a certain streamer to agree.

antihero727

technohic wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

Lol an official response in PvP forums. Idk if it’s directed to be silent here or every time they comment it’s a onslaught of criticism. We as a community need to come together to fix this AOTP issues because we will never get any “official” help or guidance. We have both been around long enough to hope but not hold our breath.

So what are people to do on their own? All I can think of is shame them to death but these people have no shame. Its almost move to another campaign or game.

I say we gate EP while AOTP are logged on. We do the same thing on guilds that stack multiple raids in their coms no matter what faction they are on. This excludes natural faction stacks at key points of the map. If 2 factions take a stand vs this garbage it shouldn’t be long till this tactic is no fun. EP should help with this too. Thoughts?

I like the idea and it would take both AD and DC to split the gates but I am not sure there are 86 DC PvPing in Vivec most nights, and if there are; trying to get them to cooperate is a fools errand that few try and wind up seemingly losing their minds. About the best you could do would be if you could get a certain streamer to agree.

I have a few friends that run guilds on AD that are sick of the stacking garbage too. I figure DC is sick of it to so let’s just put aside our differences for a bigger cause. To reduce the lag caused on purpose by a guild. I don’t want to have to do this but we can’t expect and “official” help so it’s up to us to figure it out.

pzschrek

OTOH, this situation has been really good for the organized Sotha Sil pop.

frozywozy

I know entire guilds/groups of 12-16 that moved to Sotha Sil to avoid bad performances during those times.

enzoisadog

why tho

Penitent_Sorc

This thread is another reason for faction change tokens. There needs to be a possibility to spread out some of those players that rely on those larger coordinated groups. EP is getting outrageously crowded and it's really forcing game play in certain directions.There will always be zergs in Cyrodiil and if a guild is popular enough they will field as many groups as they have members that are willing to play. Maybe there is an opportunity for some of those players to branch off and start doing their own thing. Not having to level the same character over again with DLC skill lines and Undaunted is a major time saver for someone like me with about 12 characters already and an embarrassingly high playtime. Of course there will be the majority that will continue to zerg as they do. Remember, this is Cyrodiil not Battlegrounds.

WitchyWarrior

Crown wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It would be really nice to have one of the ZOS folks try to play on a night that AotP is running with 3+ raids. If you/they could feel how badly the servers seem to be pooping themselves at such times, maybe we could get an official response that it might be addressed sometime soon?

As long as they play on the days that AotP isn't on as well so they can see that the performance issues are always there when any large group is on. But I'm gonna go ahead and guess they know this & they know that the forums are a bit bias & drama queen filled.

_Crow

Ok ok! I'll give you guys the true secret to beating us long term... Ready?
...

Form your own EP guild that is welcoming and helpful to new and casual members, and pick them up from zone in your own raid before I can invite them to my Zerg. And if you really want to stick it to me, make sure you are not being a massive *** to these members and make sure they are having fun too! Then they will have no reason to run in my Zerg!

Boom! There is the secret, can't wait to see all these new Zone guilds popping up! ❤️

evivnada

_Crow wrote: »

Ok ok! I'll give you guys the true secret to beating us long term... Ready?
...

Form your own EP guild that is welcoming and helpful to new and casual members, and pick them up from zone in your own raid before I can invite them to my Zerg. And if you really want to stick it to me, make sure you are not being a massive *** to these members and make sure they are having fun too! Then they will have no reason to run in my Zerg!

Boom! There is the secret, can't wait to see all these new Zone guilds popping up! ❤️

^^^^
This is my favorite post ever!
Hey maybe if you stop being a zone general, and just invite people to a group, and not be a jerk... the map might spread out some! This would get alot of random/solo pugs into playing the map instead of zombie zerg! Brilliant!

Crown

_Crow wrote: »

Ok ok! I'll give you guys the true secret to beating us long term... Ready? Form your own EP guild that is welcoming and helpful to new and casual members, and pick them up from zone in your own raid before I can invite them to my Zerg. And if you really want to stick it to me, make sure you are not being a massive *** to these members and make sure they are having fun too! Then they will have no reason to run in my Zerg!

@_Crow I (believe that I) understand what you're doing, and your motivation. I even agree with you in principle. You're giving a good experience to players who haven't built a network or joined a guild that runs more min/maxed regular groups. There is value in that, and it's something I've done in the past too.

What I don't agree with is the willingness to ruin the fun of people who are not in your group. The way the game works these days, if you're rendered in already then you have a step up on everyone else who is coming to a fight (or at a location that you're moving to). When you have 75+ players moving together, you've already all rendered for each other, and while you probably also feel the lag while fighting, at least you can get to the fights.

Your opponents, with whom you *could* have good fights with tend to have 1/4 to 1/3 of their raids disconnect or desync when they get close to you. During moving fights, at least another few opponents get stuck on render lines and run in place not able to do anything for 2 minutes (or until they die - which is the usual outcome). This ends up with people quitting as it's not fun to play in lag, or moving to other campaigns (which is what my group tends to do) where we can get less laggy fighting.

Something you might want to consider - fights where your probability of winning is 50% are the fights where you're going to learn the most. If you're interested in working out a strategy to keep your groups balanced enabling them to separate I would be more than happy to help. It would involved a roster sheet with roles and responsibilities, and while you could invite from zone for half of each group of 24, the other half would need to be more selective (need X healers, X support roles, X AoE damage filled) to ensure that each group has a chance at success. This way you could have each of your leaders ( @Ahtu and others?) take a group to different places, and if you're not able to win with one, another could come to support. The combining of groups would be to deal with situations where your win % drops well below 50%, and not to ensure wins by lagging everyone else out. Getting that full insane zerg can be fun once in a while, but it should be the exception and not the norm.

TEACH these players how to play, not how to win by lagging everyone else out. When they're not in a 75+ zerg, they're going to be completely ineffective, and that's not what you should want for them if you indeed are keeping their best interest in mind. I would even be happy to hop on my EP toon (not Tuesday or Thursday when I'm with Omni on AD) and help teach once in a while.. If your leaders need to improve their strategy on how to fight in a group of 24 against 50+, I'd be happy to help with that too. We all want GOOD fights. Get your groups of 24 to the point that they're winning 50% of the time on similar footing to their opponents!

zyk

_Crow wrote: »

Ok ok! I'll give you guys the true secret to beating us long term... Ready?
...

Form your own EP guild that is welcoming and helpful to new and casual members, and pick them up from zone in your own raid before I can invite them to my Zerg. And if you really want to stick it to me, make sure you are not being a massive *** to these members and make sure they are having fun too! Then they will have no reason to run in my Zerg!

Boom! There is the secret, can't wait to see all these new Zone guilds popping up! ❤️

You're full of it.

MrTtheDK

Crown wrote: »

@_Crow I saw on discord that you were looking to break your record of 86 players in raid. If you're curious, the largest zerg I ever commanded was (if I recall correctly) in 2014, where there were six full raids + pugs following. It was the first time Lolimage was crowned emperor. I had 198 people in my TeamSpeak (though I'm not sure how many of those were actually playing).

If anyone wants the exact date, we can ask Lolimage to check his Emperor achievement date.

Back then the server didn't poop itself when more than 50 players were in one area, so good luck if you try to do something like that these days!

I was in that zerg. Good times.

Telel

_Crow wrote: »

Best part is, we are getting so big that here in a month we will probably have to start a second guild just to fit everyone! ❤️

Khajiit worries what you'll need to do if ZOS buffs NPC guards any more than they already have.

Not to mention the utter extinction of blue flagged players who actually try to play for a blue flag. Who will follow Fengrush around if your backup takes up the last little bit of space?

=^.^=

usmcjdking

The only way to kill AOTP is to hit so impossibly hard that they blow up in one button press.

Because that's all you're gonna get before login screen.

HaroniNDeorum

Damn @_Crow congrats... The only thing your zerg can actually kill are the servers xD

Btw. Dude... Dont be gross 80+ ppl? I guess each one is giving their lonely neuron xD

_Crow

Tonight we had some super fun fights! Still have not broken 100 man raid though, the popcap is definitely going to make that harder, but hopefully we can still break that record sometime this week! 😉

Got a few new players too that haven't played much PvP, but said they are going to get some of the builds for group v group and start playing more! 😃

Elong

Don't feed him.

Ahtu

Crown wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Ok ok! I'll give you guys the true secret to beating us long term... Ready? Form your own EP guild that is welcoming and helpful to new and casual members, and pick them up from zone in your own raid before I can invite them to my Zerg. And if you really want to stick it to me, make sure you are not being a massive *** to these members and make sure they are having fun too! Then they will have no reason to run in my Zerg!

@_Crow I (believe that I) understand what you're doing, and your motivation. I even agree with you in principle. You're giving a good experience to players who haven't built a network or joined a guild that runs more min/maxed regular groups. There is value in that, and it's something I've done in the past too.

What I don't agree with is the willingness to ruin the fun of people who are not in your group. The way the game works these days, if you're rendered in already then you have a step up on everyone else who is coming to a fight (or at a location that you're moving to). When you have 75+ players moving together, you've already all rendered for each other, and while you probably also feel the lag while fighting, at least you can get to the fights.

Your opponents, with whom you *could* have good fights with tend to have 1/4 to 1/3 of their raids disconnect or desync when they get close to you. During moving fights, at least another few opponents get stuck on render lines and run in place not able to do anything for 2 minutes (or until they die - which is the usual outcome). This ends up with people quitting as it's not fun to play in lag, or moving to other campaigns (which is what my group tends to do) where we can get less laggy fighting.

Something you might want to consider - fights where your probability of winning is 50% are the fights where you're going to learn the most. If you're interested in working out a strategy to keep your groups balanced enabling them to separate I would be more than happy to help. It would involved a roster sheet with roles and responsibilities, and while you could invite from zone for half of each group of 24, the other half would need to be more selective (need X healers, X support roles, X AoE damage filled) to ensure that each group has a chance at success. This way you could have each of your leaders ( @Ahtu and others?) take a group to different places, and if you're not able to win with one, another could come to support. The combining of groups would be to deal with situations where your win % drops well below 50%, and not to ensure wins by lagging everyone else out. Getting that full insane zerg can be fun once in a while, but it should be the exception and not the norm.

TEACH these players how to play, not how to win by lagging everyone else out. When they're not in a 75+ zerg, they're going to be completely ineffective, and that's not what you should want for them if you indeed are keeping their best interest in mind. I would even be happy to hop on my EP toon (not Tuesday or Thursday when I'm with Omni on AD) and help teach once in a while.. If your leaders need to improve their strategy on how to fight in a group of 24 against 50+, I'd be happy to help with that too. We all want GOOD fights. Get your groups of 24 to the point that they're winning 50% of the time on similar footing to their opponents!

Guilds who force their members to run certain builds are the ones making their members ineffective, not large zergs. Zerg surfers can create their own build and make sure they are effective in battlegrounds and Cyrodiil, whereas guilds with predefined roles' members are completely defenseless when separated from the group. As long as AP is around, these guilds will continue to be ineffective until they can stop making excuses and make the necessary adjustments, or fade from existence as more players catch onto the current era of armies dominating in Cyrodiil (Vivec).