State of the Servers...

kaithuzar

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_BrianWheeler

PC NA (vivec especially) I can understand 2 years ago when there were 500-1,000+ players in Cyrodiil & you guys said “spread out/play multiple campaigns”.

Right now, there are seriously maybe 50-100(max) people in game on this campaign fighting. My ping is jumping between 183-317 according to your tracker. Getting anywhere close (from resources to keep) to where the fighting is, causes your character to move unnaturally fast while everyone on your screen freezes & you disconnect after 10-45 seconds.

This is a consistent thing. Multiple players have had this issue.

Are you seriously telling me that the campaign/server can’t handle 50 people???

Morgul667

Sad but true

Elong

Aleswell just now on Vivec PC NA was an absolute shambles. No wonder they don't charge a sub for this game, they would have refunds left right and centre.

Ackwalan

This month on the PC NA Vivec campaign I earned 150 AP on three characters, one for each alliance. With about 12hours left their rankings were, AD-7600, DC-7800 and EP-7400. I understand this is not the total number of separate accounts, but how many characters. Yet, having at least 23K characters logging in (I know not at the same time) means PvP is active, so the idea of having 50-100 max players at anyone one time is not true. Unless those few folks are running 200 different characters in PvP.

zyk

Ackwalan wrote: »

This month on the PC NA Vivec campaign I earned 150 AP on three characters, one for each alliance. With about 12hours left their rankings were, AD-7600, DC-7800 and EP-7400. I understand this is not the total number of separate accounts, but how many characters. Yet, having at least 23K characters logging in (I know not at the same time) means PvP is active, so the idea of having 50-100 max players at anyone one time is not true. Unless those few folks are running 200 different characters in PvP.

That's only because players are playing multiple characters just for end of campaign geodes -- it's the Cyrodiil version of doing writs on all of your characters. It's a bad system.

NBrookus

3 way pop lock seems to be something like 400-500 players, of which maybe a 100 at any given time are AFK or in IC. And people on other platforms are reporting the same horrible performance lately. You can spread out all you want as an individual, but the lag will follow you across the map to the farthest corner standing alone.

23k total characters means very little, IMO. I did at least Tier 1 on 12 characters. Patch is coming up; I need geodes. I know lots of people doing the same. Then we have the new characters that come to Cyro to unlock rapids. And the PVE'ers that just want vigor/caltrops and then wash their hands of it and never come back.

usmguy1234

Click insightful to pay respects.

Zer0oo

one bar of the population is ~one raid size grp while i think pop-lock has twice the size - 5x25 = 125 player per alliance is my guess where the population limit is at the moment. Quite a small number if you look at the size of the map. The small number of player will also make stacking of players on some hot spots more attractive since you will not find any action anywhere else.

This game seems not really well optimized for such a large battle zone. Even smaller numbers of players can lag out the server. The server must handle all fights so a very big fight on one side of the map will lag out the whole map.

IxSTALKERxI

Game definately feels laggier which is strange considering the amount of improvements they've supposedly been making. Not sure if it's all the buffs on characters now? All the new sets getting added each update plus CP? Does any tech savvy people know if it's possible to cut back on server costs? Not sure how zos servers work but that would be bs if it's a thing.

All I know is, game is still unplayable even until 2am EST. My mistform doesn't go off until i've already lost 90% of my health, or i somehow seem to get negated out of mistform? like idk game is so laggy that you just instantly implode through mistform from 100 Xv1 skills that have no counterplay combined with a bunch of siege lol.

DUTCH_REAPER

It is a Great game. Be even better if the servers could perform their role efficiently.

jaime1982

Last night the ales 3way was nuts.

Na-pc- vivec

Elong

It feels like they're cutting back on server power. Nothing more than a hunch and not ready to don a tin foil hat but it just feels like they've given up on cyrodiil performance.

zyk

It's been this bad before. My clips from 2.3 tell me it was just as bad if not worse. That was an awful patch for PVP performance.

I use 3.0 as my baseline. Think back to the first Midyear Mayhem event during 3.0. It was SO smooth compared to now despite massive zergs. It's been downhill since.

I think the key problem is the gameplay is designed for 12 player instances. In game development, designers don't just add abilities and other functions on a whim. Performance is profiled extensively to ensure players can't break the game. IMO, ZOS does not factor AvA into its performance profiling at all. That's why Battlegrounds PVP is limited to 12 players -- like Trials.

Faction stacks and never ending fights are also a factor. 50+ players on at least one faction showing up at a keep or outpost is completely normal. Those fights feature an incredible amount of server calculations, not only in the form of player abilities, but also siege. How many objective fights are siege-heavy stalemates for 10-20 minutes before a 2nd breach is opened? In a keep fight that can happen twice. Long fights attract players like moths to flame, compounding the problem.

AP payouts have been more than doubled over the years, so there are a never ending supply of Forward Camps to extend these long lagfests.

ZOS keeps adding more proc functions to weapons, sets and passives.

Finally, players are better than ever. Target Skeletons have elevated the overall skill level of the playerbase. There are more competent players than ever before. Competent players stress the server more than inexperienced players because they are more mobile, survive longer and execute abilities at a faster rate -- thus the per player server load is probably higher than ever.

Zelos

I'll leave this here
https://youtu.be/WeJgbyt8cAQ

LonePirate

Hey @ZOS_BrianWheeler what would it take to be able to ride up to a keep under siege without being disconnected from the game server? Surely that's not too much to ask, is it?

Elong

LonePirate wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_BrianWheeler what would it take to be able to ride up to a keep under siege without being disconnected from the game server? Surely that's not too much to ask, is it?

On the weekends, with all my settings turned low, and no other programs using my internet bar the minimum, I cannot ride to a large scale keep battle. I will crash every time.

Lots of people have the same issue.

Not good enough.

IxSTALKERxI

I just released builds / raid schedule for next patch. Sad thing is my raid schedule times are based solely around when the server performance is at its best whilst still having enemy zergs to kill. There are like a couple of very particular time slots that i'm gonna have to play in. I honestly don't see any point entering cyrodiil during prime time at this point... either make your guildies log in at 5-6am on wards or uninstall eso at this point lol.

frozywozy

I honestly don't think that reporting bugs will change anything or bring any kind of acknowledgement.

Taonnor

RMerlin

Ackwalan wrote: »

This month on the PC NA Vivec campaign I earned 150 AP on three characters, one for each alliance. With about 12hours left their rankings were, AD-7600, DC-7800 and EP-7400. I understand this is not the total number of separate accounts, but how many characters. Yet, having at least 23K characters logging in (I know not at the same time) means PvP is active, so the idea of having 50-100 max players at anyone one time is not true. Unless those few folks are running 200 different characters in PvP.

AP were running three raids last night (and LFG were running a small raid as well), and I saw DC have full raids in two different locations for a good portion of the day. I'd say there are definitely more than 50-100 active fighters at a time, just taking into account those EP and DC raids. The problem is, it was always multi-raid versus multi-raid in a given location. Those large scale fights are the real performance killers.

I believe the campaign cap is somewhere around 150 per faction (correct me if I'm wrong),

Yes, the lag and server stability is still pretty bad. Ride to a keep that's currently under attack, and there's a good chance you will get disconnected as you get near to the keep. And afterward it takes 2-3 attempts to connect back, as you get an error that you are unable to connect to the server. Makes me wonder if those disconnect are not caused by some anti-flood technology within their network, where a lag burst would trigger these, blocking you from connecting for 5 minutes.

Alomar

"Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results" The definition of insanity; by Albert Einstein (supposedly). Move on people the other 99% have, value your time and energy more than the garbage heap ESO values it as.

frozywozy

RMerlin wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

This month on the PC NA Vivec campaign I earned 150 AP on three characters, one for each alliance. With about 12hours left their rankings were, AD-7600, DC-7800 and EP-7400. I understand this is not the total number of separate accounts, but how many characters. Yet, having at least 23K characters logging in (I know not at the same time) means PvP is active, so the idea of having 50-100 max players at anyone one time is not true. Unless those few folks are running 200 different characters in PvP.

AP were running three raids last night (and LFG were running a small raid as well), and I saw DC have full raids in two different locations for a good portion of the day. I'd say there are definitely more than 50-100 active fighters at a time, just taking into account those EP and DC raids. The problem is, it was always multi-raid versus multi-raid in a given location. Those large scale fights are the real performance killers.

I believe the campaign cap is somewhere around 150 per faction (correct me if I'm wrong),

Yes, the lag and server stability is still pretty bad. Ride to a keep that's currently under attack, and there's a good chance you will get disconnected as you get near to the keep. And afterward it takes 2-3 attempts to connect back, as you get an error that you are unable to connect to the server. Makes me wonder if those disconnect are not caused by some anti-flood technology within their network, where a lag burst would trigger these, blocking you from connecting for 5 minutes.

nailed it.

Elong

frozywozy wrote: »

RMerlin wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

This month on the PC NA Vivec campaign I earned 150 AP on three characters, one for each alliance. With about 12hours left their rankings were, AD-7600, DC-7800 and EP-7400. I understand this is not the total number of separate accounts, but how many characters. Yet, having at least 23K characters logging in (I know not at the same time) means PvP is active, so the idea of having 50-100 max players at anyone one time is not true. Unless those few folks are running 200 different characters in PvP.

AP were running three raids last night (and LFG were running a small raid as well), and I saw DC have full raids in two different locations for a good portion of the day. I'd say there are definitely more than 50-100 active fighters at a time, just taking into account those EP and DC raids. The problem is, it was always multi-raid versus multi-raid in a given location. Those large scale fights are the real performance killers.

I believe the campaign cap is somewhere around 150 per faction (correct me if I'm wrong),

Yes, the lag and server stability is still pretty bad. Ride to a keep that's currently under attack, and there's a good chance you will get disconnected as you get near to the keep. And afterward it takes 2-3 attempts to connect back, as you get an error that you are unable to connect to the server. Makes me wonder if those disconnect are not caused by some anti-flood technology within their network, where a lag burst would trigger these, blocking you from connecting for 5 minutes.

nailed it.

You need to help EP stop running 3 raids in one TS and stacking together in the same spot. Props to Drac for fighting elsewhere all weekend.

usmcjdking

ZOS refuses to address blobs and, surprise surprise, performance continues to plummet as blobbing gets worse.