Faction Lock - Why do people want this?

GreenHere

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere is it common place for a name and shame on the forums to take harsh game punishment like suspension or loss of account? Or will I just lose my forums access? Like I said I’m prepared for whatever, because if this doesn’t get addressed the game is functionally unplayable beyond the lag, the core mechanic is broke.

Most likely you'll just have your comment removed or my thread shut down :P

allstarplayergk

@GreenHere would you like me to remove the video? I would never want to step on what someone else started, however I think the video drives home your point lol.

allstarplayergk

Or the point of the thread I should say

Ormtunge

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere would you like me to remove the video? I would never want to step on what someone else started, however I think the video drives home your point lol.

allstarplayergk wrote: »

Or the point of the thread I should say

I have to agree:)

GreenHere

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere would you like me to remove the video? I would never want to step on what someone else started, however I think the video drives home your point lol.

Oh no, not at all! I'm not worried in the least about the thread being shut down, just what seems to be common practice when a mod doesn't like the direction one's heading is all. If it happens, it happens; no biggie.

I was more trying to give a warning for your sake, haha.

I agree, your video is exactly on topic, and I appreciate it being put in the thread! Thank you for posting it, and also being willing to participate in the discussion.

allstarplayergk

@GreenHere Thank you! All I ever hear about the forums is it’s just people whining, So I’m trying to stay on topic and factual vs hear-say conspiracy nonsense. I love the lore and immersion of the game, and nothing erks me more than people with the “objective is for (insert standard homophobic slur)” attitude. The objective of the game is what makes it immersive. If these guys don’t care about the objective, they’re only playing to be a cancer to the community. I feel the same way about these trust fund YouTube kids who do nothing but troll pvp with whatever build is most broken at the time then blast people for being “zerglings” in a giant open world war lol :endrant

DisgracefulMind

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere Thank you! All I ever hear about the forums is it’s just people whining, So I’m trying to stay on topic and factual vs hear-say conspiracy nonsense. I love the lore and immersion of the game, and nothing erks me more than people with the “objective is for (insert standard homophobic slur)” attitude. The objective of the game is what makes it immersive. If these guys don’t care about the objective, they’re only playing to be a cancer to the community. I feel the same way about these trust fund YouTube kids who do nothing but troll pvp with whatever build is most broken at the time then blast people for being “zerglings” in a giant open world war lol :endrant

I understand faction loyalty, but I don't understand cutting off an already small community from playing with their friends on other alliances if the maps are bad and such. If EP, my main alliance, is gating another faction, I want to be on the faction being gated.

Some people don't agree with that style of play and all, but I don't really think it's up to them to decide how and why others play. As long as things aren't being exploited and such, there really shouldn't be such a massive call-out to burn all cross-faction players at the stake.

MetalHead4x4

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody wants this except for a handful of "zone chat generals" who take PvP way too seriously. There's a reason ZOS doesn't "fix" this issue: the fix would cause more problems than it solves. Too few players do PvP to begin with, the last thing ESO needs is to put some artificial restrictions in front of them.

I think the majority of people want it. As far as taking PvP too seriously, yes its a game, but its also about choosing a faction. All this jumping around isn't doing anything but making it too much of a joke. "AD's winning I'll play my AD, EP's winning I'll play my EP, DC is winning I'll play my DC." It's a war, have a little imagination. It's not that much to ask to play one side for 30 days, you can still play other factions, but do it in other campaigns. Not jumping between 3 factions on the same one. If you don't make it about your faction or something it starts to be just going through the motions and thats boring. I think it takes more guts to pick a side and stick with it than it takes to just pick em all.

allstarplayergk

@DisgracefulMind I’m a huge proponent for people to actually have some freedom to bounce around a little to play the style of thier choice. But as you said, if it’s being exploited, then that different. I don’t want to post the video again as it borders on naming and shaming, but it’s a page back in this thread or just check my YouTube page (same as PSN) and you can see how it could be abused in the worse way

Beardimus

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere is it common place for a name and shame on the forums to take harsh game punishment like suspension or loss of account? Or will I just lose my forums access? Like I said I’m prepared for whatever, because if this doesn’t get addressed the game is functionally unplayable beyond the lag, the core mechanic is broke.

Think it's a forum warning / ban, however if Its first offense im sure they won't be too harsh, and besides at least a mod will then have seen your video and hopefully reported the players too. Personally I'm glad evidence is here of stuff we all see happening so it disputes the myth arguments.

Did you open a ticket in game with the video as evidence as well as that's official process.

Beardimus

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere Thank you! All I ever hear about the forums is it’s just people whining, So I’m trying to stay on topic and factual vs hear-say conspiracy nonsense. I love the lore and immersion of the game, and nothing erks me more than people with the “objective is for (insert standard homophobic slur)” attitude. The objective of the game is what makes it immersive. If these guys don’t care about the objective, they’re only playing to be a cancer to the community. I feel the same way about these trust fund YouTube kids who do nothing but troll pvp with whatever build is most broken at the time then blast people for being “zerglings” in a giant open world war lol :endrant

I understand faction loyalty, but I don't understand cutting off an already small community from playing with their friends on other alliances if the maps are bad and such. If EP, my main alliance, is gating another faction, I want to be on the faction being gated.

Some people don't agree with that style of play and all, but I don't really think it's up to them to decide how and why others play. As long as things aren't being exploited and such, there really shouldn't be such a massive call-out to burn all cross-faction players at the stake.

I don't think anyone would get cut off, they would just need to be organized. And personally I think that would drive people to other campaigns too. A guild might decided lets all hit shor this week on our blues, vivec if you wanna roll red etc. No one's getting cut off.

And I'm sorry but when & where I play I don't see much healthy switching. And when the quiet campaigns have players all 2-3sides boosting AP to het huge scores (and kill interest for that campaign) plus the later boosting / farming AP , scrolls moving in a way you can't stop etc etc its running the fun for ALL (maybe not those that don't care about the actual objectives or anything else)

And cheating does impact longevity of play. And out off newbies.

At least a 24 & 48 hours cut off would be good. But honestly I think 7 day at the least should be faction account locked. It's only a week.

kwisatz

1-Easy way:
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
- pick this campaign
- pick an alliance
- stick with it 'till it ends
If you want to play your other alliances' toons, pick another campaign.

2-"Punishing way":
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
ZOS could create a new PvP stat, account wide: HONOR
- you begin with a defined amount of Honor.
- each faction hopping before the campaign ends make you loose 50% of your Honor remaining
- when you have no Honor left, you gain a 3 stats debuff for all your characters (only in this campaign)
- Honor do not regenerate

It's just an idea, I don't know how good or bad it could be, but I am 100% for faction lock, or incentives to stick with one faction/campaign, or penalties if you don't.

Soul_Demon

kwisatz wrote: »

1-Easy way:
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
- pick this campaign
- pick an alliance
- stick with it 'till it ends
If you want to play your other alliances' toons, pick another campaign.

2-"Punishing way":
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
ZOS could create a new PvP stat, account wide: HONOR
- you begin with a defined amount of Honor.
- each faction hopping before the campaign ends make you loose 50% of your Honor remaining
- when you have no Honor left, you gain a 3 stats debuff for all your characters (only in this campaign)
- Honor do not regenerate

It's just an idea, I don't know how good or bad it could be, but I am 100% for faction lock, or incentives to stick with one faction/campaign, or penalties if you don't.

The idea of "Honor" as a stat is quite good idea.....but maybe not a debuf but rather a 'buff' to any players who play on the same alliance. Similar to the old 'former emp' buff. 5% increase to regen or damage or mitigation- encourage single alliance play with the "Honor" appearing over the name and buff if you chose to play in that way. If not, you don't lose anything....but to get it you must be playing only one faction for the camp.

Earthewen

kwisatz wrote: »

1-Easy way:
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
- pick this campaign
- pick an alliance
- stick with it 'till it ends
If you want to play your other alliances' toons, pick another campaign.

2-"Punishing way":
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
ZOS could create a new PvP stat, account wide: HONOR
- you begin with a defined amount of Honor.
- each faction hopping before the campaign ends make you loose 50% of your Honor remaining
- when you have no Honor left, you gain a 3 stats debuff for all your characters (only in this campaign)
- Honor do not regenerate

It's just an idea, I don't know how good or bad it could be, but I am 100% for faction lock, or incentives to stick with one faction/campaign, or penalties if you don't.

I love the honor idea on this post. Amazing and creative solution.

So many people have stated here in the forums that they are switching to the underdog faction. However, when EP was pop locked and losing everything on the map last campaign, I saw none of that even though I watched for it closely. Just saying …

All that being said, I also do not see anything healthy about the current ability for anyone to play anywhere on any faction at any time. In fact, I have seen the "health" and population of pvp plummet since the opening of the cross faction playing.

Earthewen

Soul_Demon wrote: »

kwisatz wrote: »

1-Easy way:
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
- pick this campaign
- pick an alliance
- stick with it 'till it ends
If you want to play your other alliances' toons, pick another campaign.

2-"Punishing way":
ZOS could make one or more 30 days CP campaign account locked.
ZOS could create a new PvP stat, account wide: HONOR
- you begin with a defined amount of Honor.
- each faction hopping before the campaign ends make you loose 50% of your Honor remaining
- when you have no Honor left, you gain a 3 stats debuff for all your characters (only in this campaign)
- Honor do not regenerate

It's just an idea, I don't know how good or bad it could be, but I am 100% for faction lock, or incentives to stick with one faction/campaign, or penalties if you don't.

The idea of "Honor" as a stat is quite good idea.....but maybe not a debuf but rather a 'buff' to any players who play on the same alliance. Similar to the old 'former emp' buff. 5% increase to regen or damage or mitigation- encourage single alliance play with the "Honor" appearing over the name and buff if you chose to play in that way. If not, you don't lose anything....but to get it you must be playing only one faction for the camp.

Oh yes! I like the idea even better than the punishment thing. Let's reward those that are loyalists with just a bit of extra stuff when out in PVP. :-) Amazing!

visionality

ESO started off with faction lock and PVP was doing very well. It was removed 1,5 years ago, and PVP has not been boosted by the removal. So faction lock was not and will not be a gamebreaker, as some ppl here argue.

But 2 years ago, you could play your AD char in one CP-campaign, your DC character in another and your EP character in a third cp-campaign and expect lively PVP everywhere. Today, there is only two CP campaigns left and one is basically empty unless it is weekend and primetime (talking for PC EU). So if ZOS would reintroduce faction lock, it would mean that ppl could not PVP with all their characters anymore, provided those are based in different alliances. Even worse, they might be stuck in an alliance that is filled with so many players that they are stuck in endless queues whenever they try to enter Cyro in primetime or at weekends. (But on the other hand, that might help balancing alliances' strength and manpower.)

Personally I feel that a 48 hours alliance-swap cooldown might be a good middleground. It would prevent ppl from swapping from nightcapping to morningcapping alliances or from loosing faction to emp faction, as indeed happens regularily and is pretty annoying not only for zone generals, but it would not force ppl into an stranglehold with only one alliance.

Royaji

What people expect faction lock to achieve: players on the losing alliance enter Cyro, find out they are being gate camped by a 50+ man zerg and go fight a valiant uphill battle for the glory of their alliance™!

What will actually happen: players on the losing alliance enter Cyro, find out they are being gate camped by a 50+ man zerg, get stomped a couple of times and leave Cyro to do something else.

DisgracefulMind

Can we just get a Mercenary faction then? Because I'd hate to stick on just one side all the time. So boring that way, I like playing and mingling with the different alliance communities; it's a huge reason why I still play. Faction locking would just drive people like me away, and there's so many who are of the same opinion.

killahsin

allstarplayergk wrote: »

@GreenHere Thank you! All I ever hear about the forums is it’s just people whining, So I’m trying to stay on topic and factual vs hear-say conspiracy nonsense. I love the lore and immersion of the game, and nothing erks me more than people with the “objective is for (insert standard homophobic slur)” attitude. The objective of the game is what makes it immersive. If these guys don’t care about the objective, they’re only playing to be a cancer to the community. I feel the same way about these trust fund YouTube kids who do nothing but troll pvp with whatever build is most broken at the time then blast people for being “zerglings” in a giant open world war lol :endrant

trust fund youtube kids hahahaha hahaha

NBrookus

Earthewen wrote: »

So many people have stated here in the forums that they are switching to the underdog faction. However, when EP was pop locked and losing everything on the map last campaign, I saw none of that even though I watched for it closely. Just saying …

All that being said, I also do not see anything healthy about the current ability for anyone to play anywhere on any faction at any time. In fact, I have seen the "health" and population of pvp plummet since the opening of the cross faction playing.

Prime time it doesn't really matter on PC NA Vivec; when all factions are pop locked there's no "underdog" whatever the score it. (Shor is a different story.)

Campaigns are won by the off-hours population; any changes you make to the score during prime time pale in comparison to what a crew can do when they take all the scrolls and keeps relatively unopposed. The fact that DC is poplocked all afternoon to 1-2 bars trying to hold on to their own scrolls is what is going to win the campaign for DC.

Mudcrabber

All my characters, all alliances, are on Shor. I don't switch throughout the day, or participate in any of the abusive stuff people complain about. I just want AP, tel var, and transmute crystals.

If you want to faction lock Vivec go right ahead, but leave me out of it. The population's always 1-bar as it is and there's not enough campaigns to spread my characters around.

allstarplayergk

@Beardimus yeah I opened a ticket and responded with the video, I had a post shut for naming and shaming but it opened a text window where I was able to tag @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler and @ZOS_Wrobel not sure if they saw it. And @killahsin yeah trust fund YouTube kids who get banned for holding *** rallies in belkarth, do nothing about complain every patch how the game wasn’t built exactly for them, and yet are still spending 24 hours a day on eso creating content 😂. If you don’t like the game, LEAVE

josh.lackey_ESO

I don't want faction lock. Hell, I think they should let you queue in on any faction on any toon. Factions really don't make sense since One Tamriel.

raviour

Some feel there are spies and AP hoppers. After 4 years, mostly in Cyrodiil, I seen just 1 or 2 incidences of this.

A campaign faction lock would spoil harmless fun for too many. eg.

- Your alliance pisses you off so much you log to fight for enemy
- You log other to analyze your alliances strengths and weaknesses.
- You enjoy playing with a few friends on a different team.
- You only enjoy a particular campaign for reasons but you have toons on all alliance.
- You don't like the person thats going for or is emperor so you wanna depose or stop their runs on enemy alt.
- You are in PvP guilds from different alliances.
- A friend needs help with emperor push but you are on wrong alliance.
- No-CP dueling or testing BGs builds in Sotha Sil is restricted to your characters of only 1 alliance.
- No logging to alts to chat in enemy /zone before bed

Nothing wrong with 1 or 2 spies here and there, they are rare anyway. Never seen AP hoppers but people are hopping to do the kill 40 players dailies now. Could make the gladiator thingies BoP to fix that.

Nobody mentioned 'TAXI'. Zeni couldn't sort it so opened it all up. Campaign alliance home-lock could be re-implemented very easily I guess. There needs to be a much larger AP charge for faction switch though, campaign change is still at 2014 prices when AP was over twice as rare as it is now.
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p00tx

Anecdotal story time:

I play on Xbox NA, in Vivec. I am in a day one PvP guild who requires that all toons be DC, because we have all been in Cyrodil long enough to know what happens when you go cross faction either in a guild, or as a whole. In this campaign, DC is the population underdog generally, and we are pretty used to being outnumbered on most nights. We've adapted to it and developed ways to work around it. This Friday night during Prime Time, we had one bar for a good portion of the night. Yellow had two, then three as the night progressed, red was pop locked in all campaigns for the entire night. Red has been pop locked this entire campaign in fact, with Blue and Yellow dwindling to what we have now. There were times this weekend where we had no bars. This was not the norm until the last 5-6 months or so.

It isn't always like this. Sometimes everyone piles onto their yellow and we get mowed over by groups of 60 of them every time we so much as poke our heads out of the base while we try to fight with a group of 4. Sometimes we manage to bring our numbers up enough to win the campaign, even with a consistently lowish pop. The thing is, I see the same names playing on all three factions, and I always see them piling onto the overloaded faction when it is winning the campaign. This is the norm here, where everyone massively dog piles onto the winning faction to get the best goodies on their toon at EoC.

This leaves the underdog to struggle to do anything in that campaign, and every play style suffers, from AvA, to 1vX, to GvG. Anyone who isn't jumping factions as the first opportunity has to resign themselves to being overrun by massive zergs at every turn, and to not getting much, if any, AP for the duration of that campaign, while the dominant population gets to run over everything and everyone without any sizable opposition. We even tried to build up a big group and do the whole "zerg nation" thing as a means of survival, and it kinda worked, until they just doubled their zerg size yet again and we hit our limit for this kind of game play. I love the big fights, but I don't generally see much skill going into a group of 60-100 players beating on any and every player they come across, whether alone or in a group, and it's kind of boring and mind numbing.

The thing is, if you pay attention to the chat/posts in the Facebook pages and other platforms, you'll see people making calls to pile that alliance because one guild or another will be selling Emp runs, and already has it worked out how and when those Emporerships will be overturned so the new person can be crowned. Sometimes it's those dominant alliance switching to their toons on the off alliance to flip the necessary keeps, and sometimes it's multiple players across two factions who work together to achieve this. Anyone who pays any sort of attention to chat and the various methods of communication can see this happening with their own eyes.

This makes Cyrodil suck for many players, and I'm frankly pretty tired of having the game ruined for me because people can't be bothered to play the game without trying to work the system for a contested "reward". If someone needs to "cheat" to be good at the game, more power to them, and you should have your own campaign to ruin. The rest of us who have worked long and hard on learning to run objectives and fight the right way are pretty tired of playing with you guys, and all we want is one campaign to call our own so we don't have to hang out with you guys anymore.