Natural Predation - Magden 8.5k Birds Are Here!! Build Guide

Trashs1

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Trashs1 well there's a few non potatoes in there, like the former emperor, RFA guys are decent, I just wanted to show enough to be a sampler

Soul Is great 1v1 against a fair number of builds. For 1vX I think the added max mag and damage, protection, snare of northern storm wins out

On this build (which isn't even maxed out yet) and without a spell DMG glyph proc, you can slot Soul Assault as is (not even changing CP lmfao) and get 78k Soul Assault.

So I go that 80k and 10.5k (hitting for in PvP) fissures

My N Storm tool tip is 6400 per sec for 8 sec or 51,000 damage, and can still attack.

To each their own tho

ofc, no criticism just trying to figuer out what suits me the most

its a good sign if there are more different variations available!

i think cresents build do 90k soul assault but your northern storm is kinda eye of noob 2.0^^

since i want to play my warden in a organiced mid scale grp i have to slot the stun morph anyways


btw im a hughe fan of your build creations, even the non meta ones! sorry if my posts sounds sometimes a bit salty!

Waffennacht

Trashs1 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Trashs1 well there's a few non potatoes in there, like the former emperor, RFA guys are decent, I just wanted to show enough to be a sampler

Soul Is great 1v1 against a fair number of builds. For 1vX I think the added max mag and damage, protection, snare of northern storm wins out

On this build (which isn't even maxed out yet) and without a spell DMG glyph proc, you can slot Soul Assault as is (not even changing CP lmfao) and get 78k Soul Assault.

So I go that 80k and 10.5k (hitting for in PvP) fissures

My N Storm tool tip is 6400 per sec for 8 sec or 51,000 damage, and can still attack.

To each their own tho

ofc, no criticism just trying to figuer out what suits me the most

its a good sign if there are more different variations available!

i think cresents build do 90k soul assault but your northern storm is kinda eye of noob 2.0^^

since i want to play my warden in a organiced mid scale grp i have to slot the stun morph anyways


btw im a hughe fan of your build creations, even the non meta ones! sorry if my posts sounds sometimes a bit salty!

Eye of Noob 2.0 lmao. Oh no salty sounds lol. And ty I appreciate the comments!

Izaki

Waffennacht wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh god, that bird spam... I think that Magicka Warden has the stupidest gameplay this game has seen since One Tamriel when proc sets were a big thing.

Yeah, you go: fissure, flies, bird, bird bird fissure bird bird bird, flies fissure bird bird bird

Why do all of that? 90% of the time, my recaps looks like this:
Bird
Bird
Bird
Bird
Bird

Sixty5

On one hand I like birds.

On the other, I don't like playing Warden.

What a predicament.

All in all, nice build. I'd say you are low on recovery and defense, but then again, Warden gets a bunch of that for free.

Mayrael

Nice build though I don't like DW setup for mostly ranged classes as I always swing in the air like a fool between skills xD Nevertheless very good choice of sets IMHO

Waffennacht

Mayrael wrote: »

Nice build though I don't like DW setup for mostly ranged classes as I always swing in the air like a fool between skills xD Nevertheless very good choice of sets IMHO

I swing swords all the time lol. In fact a lot of players assume it's a stamden until I never close the gap lol. Ty

zParallaxz

Bro double bar the ice ult and put harness over dampen and put it in ur back bar and put wings on ur front bar.

zParallaxz

Once u hit 50k mag you will have 10k annulments inside battle spirit.

GrigorijMalahevich

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

Minno

Valera Progib wrote: »

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

GrigorijMalahevich

Minno wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

And I get warning for insulting people...

Waffennacht

Valera Progib wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

And I get warning for insulting people...

Hey man, a Terminator meme is a sign of respect! Also don't feel too bad, I have done forum time, cell block 6 forlyfe! Lmfao.

The only nervous players now should be your opponent! Lmao

Takes-No-Prisoner

Waffennacht wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

And I get warning for insulting people...

Hey man, a Terminator meme is a sign of respect! Also don't feel too bad, I have done forum time, cell block 6 forlyfe! Lmfao.

The only nervous players now should be your opponent! Lmao

LoSing 10k birds like;

Minno

Valera Progib wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

And I get warning for insulting people...

That's the scene in Terminator where they try to rob Terminator lol. They are actually.....nervious lol.

Waffennacht

Minno wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

You and your builds... getting really “nervous” here

And I get warning for insulting people...

That's the scene in Terminator where they try to rob Terminator lol. They are actually.....nervious lol.

Actually the Terminator robs them, "your clothes, give them to me" lmfao

Takes-No-Prisoner

guy pls

First off, you are both referencing the wrong movie. The movie where he asks for the goods is from Terminator 2 Judgement Day



carry on

GrigorijMalahevich

@Waffennacht and @Minno English is my 3rd language and I understand that quote as calling someone stupid

Minno

Valera Progib wrote: »

@Waffennacht and @Minno English is my 3rd language and I understand that quote as calling someone stupid

Ohhhhhhhhh ok sorry! Was not my intention! I was just leaving a meme showing someone looking nervous

@Takes-No-Prisoner it was Terminator 1. Terminator 2 he steals the biker dudes clothes in the bar and the biker chick wants the Arnold lol.

Waffennacht

@Takes-No-Prisoner you're thinking of the second movie where he steals the motorcycle to save John Connor

@Minno has a clip from the first movie where Terminator steals clothes from the punks

Waffennacht

Valera Progib wrote: »

@Waffennacht and @Minno English is my 3rd language and I understand that quote as calling someone stupid

@Valera Progib that saying hasn't been around for A LONG time lol.

BTW, yes this build is awesome

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Takes-No-Prisoner you're thinking of the second movie where he steals the motorcycle to save John Connor

@Minno has a clip from the first movie where Terminator steals clothes from the punks

One of those punks, btw, is bill paxton. RIP, bill, may you kill killer-bugs in heaven.

Waffennacht

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Takes-No-Prisoner you're thinking of the second movie where he steals the motorcycle to save John Connor

@Minno has a clip from the first movie where Terminator steals clothes from the punks

One of those punks, btw, is bill paxton. RIP, bill, may you kill killer-bugs in heaven.

He was truly amazing.

May he live on forever in this thread and films!

cschwingeb14_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I remember seeing spellpower cure also procs on yourself so you wouldn’t need a group for its benefits. Plus it’s max, max, spell damage and an extra 258 that you can have up 100% if you run hot's. This is of course if it procs on yourself, which it should, I've been working on getting it for myself cause it's perfect for Warden.

I forgot about the passive heal. But imo it's really simple for me. 400 spell DMG, 1.1k mag 1.1k Stam 4% spell crit > 2.2k mag 387 spell DMG

I'm pretty sure that the 2.2k mag side of that equitation comes out on top for damage against anyone with impen... But that's splitting hairs, it's very close. The extra Magicka also provides a larger dampen and healing Ward. And the 387 SD gives benefit on non-class skills (panacea, healing Ward, soul assault, etc)

If the stam is necessary, tri-glyphs are the best route and also give bonus health. On top of the very good group buff

Axiom gives a good amount of conditional SP. But you're using that conditional SP at the cost of having to use atro instead of unconditional SP from apprentice. That's why I mention (mostly) regen sets.

I also don't know how you get away with having your health so low, which is why I keep bringing up tri glyphs for stam and health. But I guess you duel a lot more than open world and can get away with it. I don't ever build for duels.

Waffennacht

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I remember seeing spellpower cure also procs on yourself so you wouldn’t need a group for its benefits. Plus it’s max, max, spell damage and an extra 258 that you can have up 100% if you run hot's. This is of course if it procs on yourself, which it should, I've been working on getting it for myself cause it's perfect for Warden.

I forgot about the passive heal. But imo it's really simple for me. 400 spell DMG, 1.1k mag 1.1k Stam 4% spell crit > 2.2k mag 387 spell DMG

I'm pretty sure that the 2.2k mag side of that equitation comes out on top for damage against anyone with impen... But that's splitting hairs, it's very close. The extra Magicka also provides a larger dampen and healing Ward. And the 387 SD gives benefit on non-class skills (panacea, healing Ward, soul assault, etc)

If the stam is necessary, tri-glyphs are the best route and also give bonus health. On top of the very good group buff

Axiom gives a good amount of conditional SP. But you're using that conditional SP at the cost of having to use atro instead of unconditional SP from apprentice. That's why I mention (mostly) regen sets.

I also don't know how you get away with having your health so low, which is why I keep bringing up tri glyphs for stam and health. But I guess you duel a lot more than open world and can get away with it. I don't ever build for duels.

I don't build for duels either lol, it's for BGs but duels are great for show casing a build and the little nuisances.

It's 1.1 mag more, you get 2.2k mag yes but you get 1.1k from axiom meaning it's a difference of 1.1k mag, not 2.

I'm positive that the crit DMG out performs 1.1k mag. Which also translates to about 200 more on a damage shield. (Like nothing)

The only ability not affected by axiom is resto ult, which is Uber powerful without being Buffed. I could theoretically go with Trees and have everything buffed.

I don't know why people need so much health lol, the hardest opponents I've ever faced had been in duels, everything else (even 1v3 I had last night) is easier than dueling some players. I know a lot of players have their preferences and that's cool whatever works for them!

Laquey

I think the most interesting thing about this topic is the block canceling of accelerated drain as a hard CC, thanks Waffen hadn't thought about that on warden.

I would personally run a Necro + Warmaiden DW / Resto staff back bar build with variable monsters for my setup but that's because I saw someone running a soul assault build which tapped the infused resto back bar for more stupid weapon damage action.

Waffennacht

Interesting idea, would anyone have an opinion on say using the Serpent mundus and going with Betty for purge?

Lexxypwns

@Waffennacht how important is that line of stamina on axiom for your sustain? Can you run spinners instead? You’ll hit harder.

2lines max mag
1 spell dam
5.2% penetration

Vs

1 max mag
1 spell crit
400 damage.

It would push you to 46k magika and ~2900 spell damage(instead of 3209 with axiom hidden) and add the penetration while costing you 4% spell crit.

Ultimately we’re talking 2-3% damage difference at most

HarpaxPT

Have you considered twice born star and necro? I have 50k magicka and still have ample Stam and health that I can go all magicka glyphs. Then I run atronach and apprentice

cschwingeb14_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm positive that the crit DMG out performs 1.1k mag. Which also translates to about 200 more on a damage shield. (Like nothing)

If you feel like splitting hairs, there's no way that one crit set bonus beats one Magicka set bonus against a player with impen. Especially on an altmer Warden: No crit damage bonus, and you're using northern storm for bonus Magicka. You're rolling around +41% Magicka

If you get a 1.3x crit damage modifier after impen, times 4% extra crit chance, that's only 1.2% extra damage. ~1500 Magicka will be quite a bit more than that, and will be effective against shielded targets too, aside from giving you more shields.

Witar

Destro staff>Duals for mag warden. Light attack weawing+8% more damage.