Natural Predation - Magden 8.5k Birds Are Here!! Build Guide

Waffennacht

Against an opponent with 3600 impen that crit equals a flat average value of 1.33% damage.

1k mag will increase the damage of Screaming Cliff Racer by 135 damage while 1.3% is 169 damage.

So yeah it is splitting hairs but the long run average damage will be higher with the crit.

Plus Stamina from Axiom

@Lexxypwns let me do the math and see!

5.2% penetration is worth approximately 650 DMG on a 13k bird (non shield opponent)

So it'll be 1 mag line + 5.2% real DMG vs spell crit + 270 ish DMG. Well spell crit is worth a real value of 1.3-3% DMG so it's 1 mag line + 2.2-3.9% DMG vs 270 or 2-4% DMG vs 160ish dmg which is about 180 DMG

So spinner's will provide about 200ish more actual damage against a non shielded opponent. Not 200 spell damage, but 200 actual damage.

So for the price of 200 damage you deal full damage against shielded opponents. I think it's worth the trade

PLUS Stamina! Why no one care bout stamina? It's there!

Waffennacht

Witar wrote: »

Destro staff>Duals for mag warden. Light attack weawing+8% more damage.

Technically yes. However, I haven't been able to burst a good opponent down with staff in PvP in ages. Imo the burst is too predictable.

I've been running destro on warden day 1 and I'm having much more success with DW having a monster set and 2 full sets

Waffennacht

BTW I do not own spinner's or SPC. But I try not to let that be the deciding factor in sets.

... I have hit for over 10k with deep fissure in BGs with the build... Remember 8.5k bird?

It's the word?

Also Spinner's don't buff heals

Thogard

You should put Proxy Det on there, drop vamp stun and run Dawnbreaker.

Proxy + beetles + debuff + Bird + dbos = dead target. Especially in the BGs where you can hit a clump of enemies fighting each other.

Jjitsuboy98

Do u like this better than being Stam warden?

Waffennacht

@Jjitsuboy98 it's really really hard to make that call. Each plays differently and both very fun imo.

I just spent since the time you posted that till now trying to come up with an answer and every time I think I have I think about the other.

I can't say, I think both are extremely fun

ironshoe7

I put this build together last night to try it out. Was surprised at how fun it was! Birds were killing people, burst was killing people, lost a close 1v1, but only because I didn’t see the second guy come up behind me.

One thing I can’t figure out though, is why you have 700 more spell power than me. I have no gold weapons and main hand is sharpened instead of nirnhoned, and cp is only 520. I know gold is 200. Nirn is another 250 ish. Can’t figure out where the rest is missing from. Max mag is 42k, not sure if that’s it or not.

Nonetheless, really fun build, glad I tried it out.

Trashs1

maybe he got spelldmg enchant on restro staff

MurderMostFoul

BGs gonna be like...

Waffennacht

Trashs1 wrote: »

maybe he got spelldmg enchant on restro staff

I do, forgot to mention it lol

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

BGs gonna be like...

Everybody is all caught up with the Stam warden lol

Lexxypwns

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

maybe he got spelldmg enchant on restro staff

I do, forgot to mention it lol

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

BGs gonna be like...

Everybody is all caught up with the Stam warden lol

Because stam warden has a viable execute and good offensive ultis that scale off your CP.

That’s the thing making stamden unbalanced while magden is still(mostly) balanced. Ultimately they’ll nerf part of the class kit and hurt both magden and stamden

devilsTear

Awesome build, I'm trying it out in my argonian magden
One question though, on an argonian what mundus would you pick? I also like permafrost for the stun so I don't get that extra magicka, with the mage mundus I barely hit 40k max mag but with only 1400 regen, so what would your advice be?

Waffennacht

devilsTear wrote: »

Awesome build, I'm trying it out in my argonian magden
One question though, on an argonian what mundus would you pick? I also like permafrost for the stun so I don't get that extra magicka, with the mage mundus I barely hit 40k max mag but with only 1400 regen, so what would your advice be?

@devilsTear I would go with atro for the sustain. In PvP it's fine to sacrifice some damage for sustain as more than likely you won't be looking at a change in TTK. While the added sustain will make sure you can finish off your opponent. The Argonian passive will help, but imo 1400 is way too low, with light armor, the atro should get you to 1700, still low, but I think it's the bare minimum

zParallaxz

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

Waffennacht

zParallaxz wrote: »

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

If they're like me, race choice is moot at this point.

If they're like me, the race cand class has already have been picked and then questions asked.

So I always try to work with the information provided rather than just say to change something.

I like Argonians, but it's moot

Also the Hist is just freaking awesome, it's the "alien" of ESO

devilsTear

Waffennacht wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Awesome build, I'm trying it out in my argonian magden
One question though, on an argonian what mundus would you pick? I also like permafrost for the stun so I don't get that extra magicka, with the mage mundus I barely hit 40k max mag but with only 1400 regen, so what would your advice be?

@devilsTear I would go with atro for the sustain. In PvP it's fine to sacrifice some damage for sustain as more than likely you won't be looking at a change in TTK. While the added sustain will make sure you can finish off your opponent. The Argonian passive will help, but imo 1400 is way too low, with light armor, the atro should get you to 1700, still low, but I think it's the bare minimum

@Waffennacht okay I get what you're saying, I'll give it a go thanks

NoFlash

Saved. Magden ftw

Lexxypwns

@zParallaxz unless you’re running 2500+ regen argonian will give more magika sustain than any other race and it also adds enough stam sustain to basically ignore other sources of it on magika builds.

Morvane

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Hutch679

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Waffennacht how important is that line of stamina on axiom for your sustain? Can you run spinners instead? You’ll hit harder.

2lines max mag
1 spell dam
5.2% penetration

Vs

1 max mag
1 spell crit
400 damage.

It would push you to 46k magika and ~2900 spell damage(instead of 3209 with axiom hidden) and add the penetration while costing you 4% spell crit.

Ultimately we’re talking 2-3% damage difference at most

You lose some healing without axiom if you run warden heals though.

Hutch679

zParallaxz wrote: »

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

What? Are you high? Argonian is like the number 1 magicka race for pvp lol. The healing, max health, max mag, and resource return from tri-pots outweighs all other magicka races. Lol get with the times.

Lexxypwns

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

What? Are you high? Argonian is like the number 1 magicka race for pvp lol. The healing, max health, max mag, and resource return from tri-pots outweighs all other magicka races. Lol get with the times.

It’s not like you can push 50k magika 3k spell damage on an argonian and have significantly better sustain than an altmer would... oh wait

Ron_Burgundy_79

@Waffennacht @CatchMeTrolling

SPC proc can be back barred. Works the same as alchemist, BSW, wizards riposte, etc. Performs well on my magplar in solo/small scale.

Malamar1229

FYI this build works on sorcs as well

Malamar1229

also thanks for spreading this poison
/sarcasm

zParallaxz

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

What? Are you high? Argonian is like the number 1 magicka race for pvp lol. The healing, max health, max mag, and resource return from tri-pots outweighs all other magicka races. Lol get with the times.

It’s not like you can push 50k magika 3k spell damage on an argonian and have significantly better sustain than an altmer would... oh wait

Yah need to kill ur self if you think argonian is better than a high elf on a mag class or dark elf on magdk.

zParallaxz

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

What? Are you high? Argonian is like the number 1 magicka race for pvp lol. The healing, max health, max mag, and resource return from tri-pots outweighs all other magicka races. Lol get with the times.

It’s not like you can push 50k magika 3k spell damage on an argonian and have significantly better sustain than an altmer would... oh wait

Yeah show me where u can stack 50mag without necro on a mag char on argonian.

zParallaxz

It’s not even worth the discussion argonian is so absurd on mag chars vs other races it will remain content to people who role play, aren’t good at making builds, or just want to play a race because they like the look.

zParallaxz

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@zParallaxz unless you’re running 2500+ regen argonian will give more magika sustain than any other race and it also adds enough stam sustain to basically ignore other sources of it on magika builds.

U realize that’s only based on potions, on top of you losing sustain from not having a higher resource pool.

Hutch679

zParallaxz wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Waffen I hope you know Argonians are bad for every class except stam dk since battle roar took so many nerfs. I mean the race is fine if u just like role playing and just want to play want u like. But if you want the very best don’t pick argonian, you miss out on so much stam, mag, and regen.

What? Are you high? Argonian is like the number 1 magicka race for pvp lol. The healing, max health, max mag, and resource return from tri-pots outweighs all other magicka races. Lol get with the times.

It’s not like you can push 50k magika 3k spell damage on an argonian and have significantly better sustain than an altmer would... oh wait

Yah need to kill ur self if you think argonian is better than a high elf on a mag class or dark elf on magdk.

Instant full stamina and 25%+ magicka every 45secs? 10% additional Healing? Yeah I'll take argonian on magden, magplar, mag DK, magblade. Sorc would be the only class I'd run high elf on. Magdk is best as a dark elf, but easily run on an argonian.