This is not an expansion. Zos greed is killing this game.

Sausage

How many times it needs to be told, greed is only way to get rich and everything is expensive for a poor, [snip]

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Rikkof

MaxwellC wrote: »

Best thing with this DLC (Call it like it really is), there's still is no new class skills but just a new class which not all players will gladly want to be. This game has been out for what 3 years or so and still you have the same old class skills like lol? There are plenty of games that add an entire new tree for certain classes let alone new jobs or sub classes, every six months; Yet this game cannot even add new class skills for 3 years.

I'm not buying the DLC because I'd rather save my money as this content adds nothing but a nostalgia rush which ZOS gladly took advantage of to jack the price of the so called 'expansion'. The new trial was a incredible let down especially with the name being called "Halls of fabrication" , I kinda expected a more mystical ruins type of setting but oh well.
I'm sure the DLC will drop in price after a few months but till then, Destiny 2 cannot come any sooner

I am eager for Destiny 2 also, i cnat waitttttt

Idinuse

LiquidPony wrote: »

The comparison of Morrowind to a WoW expansion just doesn't make sense. Blizzard doesn't deliver quarterly DLC for your $15 monthly subscription. ZOS does.

No ZOS don't. They said they would, but they didn't. We've had 2 dungeons in 12 months and the clock is still ticking and no DLCs anywhere to be seen. Or would you, like the devs tried with, call the Homestead free general update a DLC too?

So what do you say to all of us that have paid sub during this year? Enjoy your crafting bag, oh and look after 12 months here's more bank space? For $180? You might find $40 reasonable for Morrowind all you want, I have the CE btw, but $220 certainly isn't. And if you sit on a semi yearly sub, it's not just a matter of stop subbing. You have to sit and take it to the face for the rest of the period.

Had they been honest about it and told us there won't be any DLCs worth the name for the coming 12 months and even longer I for one would have paused my sub. Top that with charging £40 for a DLC with Battle Grounds and a Race they certainly could have charged for in the CS separately.

What really bugs me is that the game is B2P, but the Expansions/Chapters to the game do not expand the B2P game, meaning it would work for any account, it's after all a new chapter in the base game they say, but each account needs to pay as much as the original game was, or a new AAA title, to be able to have the chapter update.

Adernath

d0e1ow wrote: »

That long list but not one mention of "content". Mm mm mm. lawl The apologists for this company are the WORST I've ever seen. You guys make Blizz-drones seem tame.

All items in my list were part of the content. And this list wasn't even complete.

Bakkagami

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Was there ever a moment when nobody says that ZOS is killing the ESO?

I'm sure it's been going on since beta. People always find something to cry about.

LartenCrepsley

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

actually blizzards latest as well as all previous expansions have had a lot more content than this one.

this expansion has one zone, with less than 50 quests. wows latest expansion had 4 or 5 zones, with over 100 quests in each. and each of those zones are only slightly smaller than esos new zone.

not to mention they included around 10 dungeons with wows latests expansion, with numerous raids. with a ton of different difficulties. where as this expansion in eso has 2 public dungeons (not actual dungeons) and 1 trail (which is = to one raid in my book).


this is not a expansions worth of content. did i enjoy it. yes, but it has around or less content than even wrothgar if you do not include the new class

yes ive enjoyed it. ive completed most of the quests thusfar. but it is not worth the 40/60 dollar pricetag. 30 dollars with a 40 dollar ce sure but for the content included vs the price i think they overestimated themselfs

Rikkof

Adernath wrote: »

d0e1ow wrote: »

That long list but not one mention of "content". Mm mm mm. lawl The apologists for this company are the WORST I've ever seen. You guys make Blizz-drones seem tame.

All items in my list were part of the content. And this list wasn't even complete.

nothin form ur list works tho:)
literally, nothing

ProfesseurFreder

Here's the perfect solution: [snip], all who are displeased and thumping their chests in Outraged Indignation over the fact that life isn't Exactly As You Personally Want It To Be -- all of you can go off and play another game, get off the ESO forums and make life happier for ALL of us.

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tamedbeast

BlackSparrow wrote: »

"Shadows of the Hist is not a full DLC because it's only two dungeons!"

"Dark Brotherhood is not a full DLC because it only takes a couple hours to complete!"

"Homestead is not a full base game update because all it contains is a bunch of cosmetic houses!"

We get this with every quarterly content release. Every. Single. One.

No, this is not literally world-changing like a WoW expansion, but between the new, super-sized zone, the new class, and Battlegrounds, it is certainly more significant than "Orsinium with a volcano" like some people are claiming. Remember what income model they're working with and what rate new content comes out. Remember that they have to please the endgame players and the newbies, the PvPers and the cosmetics junkies, the roleplayers and the theorycrafters. Not all content is going to be specifically targeted at you, but that doesn't mean there's not a lot of content there.

The problem with content creation in a game like this is that devs are never, ever going to be able to keep up with the players, because it takes longer to develop content than it does to play it. Every single dungeon that you burn through in five minutes took multiple people hours to design, write, voice act, and program. If they gave you two more dungeons, you'd be complaining that there were "only four public dungeons" instead of "only two." Designing an entirely new continent would take the amount of time and money that it took to design Morrowind x 10 or so... years of development time, and then you'd burn through that in maybe a month, and then demand they create another new continent, and that they not take so long this time.

Content is finite. That's just a fact of MMOs. Either find a way to adjust to that (personally, I suggest lots of alts ) or try taking a break to play something else for a while.

Super Sized Zone lol.. that's funny, a damn volcano takes up 30% of the map, the world is not that big and does not offer enough content in it to qualify for an expansion, this is nothing more than DLC with the word expansion tossed on it to get money.

While this zone is cool and brings back memories for a lot of people from the Morrowind era, it's simply not worth what you pay for it, as a subscriber it should have been free, not paid for. This is not Morrowwind it was just apart of it and was a complete ripoff to the people that paid for it with the expectations of a REAL EXPANSION not a DLC.

valkaneer2b14_ESO

Zos is doing what they always have done. Released part of the expansion get you pay full price, then finish the content with the money you paid at full price. Then once the content is finished they will call it DLC and make you pay for it again. This has been ZoS business model since they released the game.

I remember Itsiz rant about this same thing back when they moved from sub to F2P.

LartenCrepsley

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

Here's the perfect solution: [snip], all who are displeased and thumping their chests in Outraged Indignation over the fact that life isn't Exactly As You Personally Want It To Be -- all of you can go off and play another game, get off the ESO forums and make life happier for ALL of us.

You do realize with a major release such as this majority of people will have something they dont like. and they have the right to voice what they dont like to other players in a respectful manner.

but if they followed what you are saying. all these players with minor or major issues with the update would be forced to leave. thus your game dies. due to no profits. since im almost positive majority of us dont like 1 thing or another with all the changes that went on

BuddyAces

I'm not going to argue content comparisons with other games because, well, diff games derp. Personally I haven't even finished questing, don't do bg's, haven't discovered even half the zone and yet I feel like I have already gotten my moneys worth. The folks in my guild who are playing Morrowind currently also are in the same boat as the wife and I.

My gripes still stand on most of the changes and other probs with ZOS but I for one am having one hell of a time.

Doctordarkspawn

Balamoor wrote: »

Synfaer wrote: »

That game gives much more stuff than ESO, so ESO should do the same...
That other game does not charge for some of its extra stuff, ESO should do the same...
ESO gave us free stuff in the past, all subsequent stuff that's similar should also be free....

Geez, my kids have been using these arguments for years..
My friend has these cool piercings, lets go get my belly piercing now...
My firends parents bought them a pony, when do I get mine....
You let me go to that concert last year, why didn't you allow me to go to the 15 concerts I wanted see after that?.....

Kids will have sometimes tantrums if they don't get their own way...you see a lot of that in the forums. Its understandable for a kid to have a tantrum, they are young, most don't have the skill sets yet to overcome the fact that they cannot get what they want.
Adult tantrums are not socially accepted however. By this stage of your life you should have learned a skill set to overcome these childhood conundrums.
>Patience
>Sometimes you have to do tasks you do not like to achieve something that is important to you.
>Find another path to your goal
>Adapt, learn new skill when the old ones fail
>Move on...find an similar goal with less obstacles
etc..

It's the millennial way.

Scream and complain about everything
Demand everything for free now
Give up the moment anything becomes hard.
Blame other people for their issues.

Not really.

It dont take a genius to realize that we're geting shafted for value that was taken as red years ago. People shout we should be thankfull for what we have, and to that I respond, alllways have a plan to grow.

Good is not ideal.

rotaugen454

I'm looking forward to my Physical Edition statue so it can sit on the other side of the monitor from the Molag Bal statue. I am getting my money's worth and more from this expansion (to me, everyone has to decide for themselves).

Balamoor

It's story time kiddies so gather round.

No @Sausage you can't run in place during story time @MissBizz did you bring gum for everyone...no?

Okay settle down, I want to tell of a time long ago when a brave group of developers (The bravest and most handsome being a Production assistant named Balamoor) that worked for Turbine decided to release an expansion for their very popular Lord of the Rings MMO.

After many months, of meetings, coding sessions, asset creation and of course much consumption of Coffee and sacred Doughnuts. This new expansion was christened "The Mines of Moria" and was ready to be loosed upon the world. The kind and wise gaming press heaped much praise upon the new expansion, yet many people in the village forum were angry, upset and even suicidal.

This expansion is a rip off they shouted, It is an abomination not in keeping with our personal interpretation of the great Tolkien, it doesn't give us this that or the other thing and most of all it is not a free update!!!

The angry villagers yelled with their torches and pitchforks, they threaten to quit, refused to buy the expansion and called the Brave developers greedy and evil!

The brave developers were very sad....they worked so hard, how could the villagers of forums be so upset? Had they indeed failed the people?

"Wait!" said the handsome PA Balamoor, "All is not as it seems." He then produced his magic spreadsheet of metrics known as The oracle. The Oracle, he explained tell us a different story than the villagers. We are currently 42% past our projected sales, average play time is up 34% and the accounts azzwhippa, madebritneygag, and didurmomhard....they all claim on the forums that they will not buy the expansion yet they have! And lo look at the account hot4ryanseacrest....why that IP is from the Kingdom of Sony Online!

The developers studied the magic Oracle then asked Balamoor, does this mean that these Villagers are not actually Villagers but Trolls in people suits?

And Balamoor replied "You damned skippy."

The oldest much less handsome than Balamoor but very wise lead developer and keeper of the holy pay scale asked. "So tell us Balamoor how can we understand what actually makes our Villagers happy?

We must look elsewhere beside the fake news cesspool of the forums instructed Balamoor, in the units sold and playtime, and what our villagers actually do when they log in, and we must review chat and combat logs for that will tell us much.

The developers rejoiced, their hard work was successful after all and the wicked Trolls of the village of forum were just trying to harsh their mellow. In the following years the Trolls of forum tried many tactics to mislead the brave developers, but the brave developers stayed true to their metrics.

Eventually most of the trolls wandered to other kingdoms or jumped off cliffs, but the developers lived happily ever after .

THE END.

Doctordarkspawn

Balamoor wrote: »

It's story time kiddies so gather round.

No @Sausage you can't run in place during story time @MissBizz did you bring gum for everyone...no?

Okay settle down, I want to tell of a time long ago when a brave group of developers (The bravest and most handsome being a Production assistant named Balamoor) that worked for Turbine decided to release an expansion for their very popular Lord of the Rings MMO.

After many months, of meetings, coding sessions, asset creation and of course much consumption of Coffee and sacred Doughnuts. This new expansion was christened "The Mines of Moria" and was ready to be loosed upon the world. The kind and wise gaming press heaped much praise upon the new expansion, yet many people in the village forum were angry, upset and even suicidal.

This expansion is a rip off they shouted, It is an abomination not in keeping with our personal interpretation of the great Tolkien, it doesn't give us this that or the other thing and most of all it is not a free update!!!

The angry villagers yelled with their torches and pitchforks, they threaten to quit, refused to buy the expansion and called the Brave developers greedy and evil!

The brave developers were very sad....they worked so hard, how could the villagers of forums be so upset? Had they indeed failed the people?

"Wait!" said the handsome PA Balamoor, "All is not as it seems." He then produced his magic spreadsheet of metrics known as The oracle. The Oracle, he explained tell us a different story than the villagers. We are currently 42% past our projected sales, average play time is up 34% and the accounts azzwhippa, madebritneygag, and didurmomhard....they all claim on the forums that they will not buy the expansion yet they have! And lo look at the account hot4ryanseacrest....why that IP is from the Kingdom of Sony Online!

The developers studied the magic Oracle then asked Balamoor, does this mean that these Villagers are not actually Villagers but Trolls in people suits?

And Balamoor replied "You damned skippy."

The oldest much less handsome than Balamoor but very wise lead developer and keeper of the holy pay scale asked. "So tell us Balamoor how can we understand what actually makes our Villagers happy?

We must look elsewhere beside the fake news cesspool of the forums instructed Balamoor, in the units sold and playtime, and what our villagers actually do when they log in, and we must review chat and combat logs for that will tell us much.

The developers rejoiced, their hard work was successful after all and the wicked Trolls of the village of forum were just trying to harsh their mellow. In the following years the Trolls of forum tried many tactics to mislead the brave developers, but the brave developers stayed true to their metrics.

Eventually most of the trolls wandered to other kingdoms or jumped off cliffs, but the developers lived happily ever after .

THE END.

Horsehockey.

Attempting to write off all criticism for the sake of your shilling is bull. People have problems with the update. Get over it.

Hell, I just got done talking with a PVP buddy who hates battlegrounds and, due to the combination of poisons and the resource sustain buggering, tells me Cyro is now cancer. The devs are not infallable.

@Balamoor Having your work criticized sucks. It's a fact of life. I've had it done to me, I've seen people react badly to it, but that does not make those criticism automatically wrong, especially when ZOS has a habit of systematically going deaf whenever the time to actually lisen to their community comes up. You only hurt the game by trying to silence dissent like you do.

Never stop being a critic. If the people who are telling you to shut up would forcibly shut you up if they had the ability, their not worth lisening to.

BuddyAces

[snip]

Is it possible for someone to enjoy the game and not find the same faults as you? I would bet that the other person you quoted has a few issues with the game but does not share yours. The problem aren't the so called white knights, the problem are the whiners who think everyone should agree with how they feel and if they do not then they just get called white knights and are belittled.

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Balamoor

I think it's pretty telling that a tongue in cheek account of what most developers already know makes so many of the PAWs crowd and constant complainers (how many post have been deleted now?) heads explode.

Honestly folks need to cut the caffeine, take up yoga or something.

Doctordarkspawn

Balamoor wrote: »

I think it's pretty telling that a tongue in cheek account of what most developers already know makes so many of the PAWs crowd and constant complainers (how many post have been deleted now?) heads explode.

Honestly folks need to cut the caffeine, take up yoga or something.

Seriously, if we're some sort of secret conspiracy club at this point I want an invitation to the tree house and free cookies, because I ain' got any yet.

Seriously, it's not a cult. I just disagree with you, how you usually portray the people you disagree with, and it didn't take some grand doctrine or cult bible for me to come to that conclusion.

Balamoor

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I think it's pretty telling that a tongue in cheek account of what most developers already know makes so many of the PAWs crowd and constant complainers (how many post have been deleted now?) heads explode.

Honestly folks need to cut the caffeine, take up yoga or something.

Seriously, if we're some sort of secret conspiracy club at this point I want an invitation to the tree house and free cookies, because I ain' got any yet.

I want an invitation to the secret club house with blackjack and hookers too guuuuuuyz.

You have cookies?

And not once have you offered to share.

Koensol

BuddyAces wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

@Balamoor Honestly dude, don't you have any ounce of criticism in you? You are like the worst kiss ass white knight I have ever seen on these forums. And I mean in ANY topic where there is criticism you are there valiantly fighting the fight for the devs. Its quite pathetic since with you it doesn't seem to be about the subject at hand. You are just allergic to criticism and get a kick out of sucking up to ZOS.

Is it possible for someone to enjoy the game and not find the same faults as you? I would bet that the other person you quoted has a few issues with the game but does not share yours. The problem aren't the so called white knights, the problem are the whiners who think everyone should agree with how they feel and if they do not then they just get called white knights and are belittled.

Look I have zero problems with people having a different opinion, not liking things I like, or liking things I don't. What I DO have a problem with is people like Balamoor acting all superior, and generalizing all criticism into "cry babies gonna cry". Its just pathetic that a person cannot accept that people have criticism on a game they love. And like I said, its not even about the subject with him.

ZOS_Bill

We have had to remove some comments in this thread for flaming and insulting other players. It's fine to disagree with someone, but do not attack or insult them while doing so. Please follow the forum rules and stay civil when responding to one another.

mb10

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

Does that make it okay?

"Everyone else rips off so its fine"
Most people only play this MMO so who the hell actually cares what other MMOs do?

Balamoor

Koensol wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

@Balamoor Honestly dude, don't you have any ounce of criticism in you? You are like the worst kiss ass white knight I have ever seen on these forums. And I mean in ANY topic where there is criticism you are there valiantly fighting the fight for the devs. Its quite pathetic since with you it doesn't seem to be about the subject at hand. You are just allergic to criticism and get a kick out of sucking up to ZOS.

Is it possible for someone to enjoy the game and not find the same faults as you? I would bet that the other person you quoted has a few issues with the game but does not share yours. The problem aren't the so called white knights, the problem are the whiners who think everyone should agree with how they feel and if they do not then they just get called white knights and are belittled.

Look I have zero problems with people having a different opinion, not liking things I like, or liking things I don't. What I DO have a problem with is people like Balamoor acting all superior, and generalizing all criticism into "cry babies gonna cry". Its just pathetic that a person cannot accept that people have criticism on a game they love. And like I said, its not even about the subject with him.

I accept people have criticisms.
I have criticisms. (check out my post on public dungeons, Console lag despite me being a PC player and the business model at launch)
What I tend to poke fun at is mock outrage and forum thespians getting their rompers in a wad.
I do that because I have actually been around people laughing their asses off after starting a big dramatic forum war, when they haven't logged on in weeks or even months.

But thanks for labeling me a "White Knight Kiss ***" it's no different from the personal threats I get in PM's or in game for saying people shouldn't be bullied because they purchased crown crates.

I point laugh and move on.

mb10

I dodged the bullet and didnt buy it thankfully

Will wait until ZOS get absolutely desperate like they always do and end up buying it for $5 on sale

Menphues

Jtj87 wrote: »

I love this game and have supported it for awhile but where is the content? It's basically orsinium with a new trial and battlegrounds. We need more dungeons, more variety of things to do and there is only 2 public dungeons in the new area? I mean the story in morrowind is nice but when that's over what next? Run the same dungeons over and over and try a new trial? I can't help the feeling of being ripped off. I am sure there is content that should have been included with morrowind that will be scretched out along the rest of 2017 and then we will get the same thing in 2018. If you want to justify charging 40 or 60 bucks for a "Chapter" and call it an expansion then add an entire new continent just for end game so veterans have something to do. Stop adding these areas with barely anything to do in them once the story is over.

Sadly I agree with you and I am a massive fan of ESO!

This is basically an addon like Orsinium, Thieves etc... But they wanted to charge more for to cash grab!
I do enjoy the game and DLC, do not get me wrong but this is not an expansion at all! If it was, then surely it would come with multiple worlds, not one like every other thing they make!

Drachenfier

I for one was happy to pay for this, and I sub. More than happy to support the game.

Then again, I'm a fully grown adult that doesn't throw a fit over 40 dollars worth of entertainment that I can not buy if I so choose.

Doctordarkspawn

Drachenfier wrote: »

I for one was happy to pay for this, and I sub. More than happy to support the game.

Then again, I'm a fully grown adult that doesn't throw a fit over 40 dollars worth of entertainment that I can not buy if I so choose.

Oversimplifying it. Not worth any more of a response.

Rikkof

Drachenfier wrote: »

I for one was happy to pay for this, and I sub. More than happy to support the game.

Then again, I'm a fully grown adult that doesn't throw a fit over 40 dollars worth of entertainment that I can not buy if I so choose.

adults dont play vidoe games

Galwylin

This is the first game I've ever played where I have been critical of those behind it. The first. If something about a game bothers me, I just stop playing it. But I like this game. Its the stuff happening behind it that have become problematic. Now I have no problem with the dlc. I'm happy with my $40. But yeah, it would probably feel like a rip off if I hadn't pre-ordered since that's the only way I can justify it (the pet and other stuff). For just the dlc including the warden... yeah, $40 would be pushing the extreme.

I think pricing in general is overboard when it comes to real cash items (or what crowns buy nowadays). This patch still hasn't explained why its good for the game so that feels like a dev changing their mind how people should play. Surely Morrowind would present the reasons sustain needed adjusting but two publics and one trial? All of that for that little bit? At THIS time, it still seems an adjustment with no reason. While people have learned to live with it, no one I've seen said its improved anything. So overboard pricing and having your players jump through hoops have just made me feel the need to criticize instead of simply leaving. Because the game itself, assuming no store popups, I quite enjoy. But I guess that isn't enough.

Must be something in the story that required it then...