need explanation about Sorc op mainly PvP

Biro123

thankyourat wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Sorc mobility isn't that great on magicka sorc !

Chasing a sorc is extremely easy, you just need a gap closer, and use it when he streak, sorc mobility gone.

Any medium armor build using a bow can be mobile like sorc, mith major expedition + sprint + dodge.

Magicka NB have better mobility, because the best escape skill is shadow Image, if play well, you can escape for 99% of situations.

Don't forget streak can't be spamming, cuz 50% more cost each time you use it if you don't wait 4s.

The magicka sorc mobily have counter play, it's just a L2P issue

Shadow image can only be used once and if you are snared you aren't getting away players will just run to your shade and cast an AOE to pull you out of stealth. Or the Xv1 nightblade who marks you but doesn't attack until you are out numbered will all put a end to magblade mobility. What makes streak more practical is it can be used multiple times in a row and doesn't require set up. So if you streak away and you get a nightblade spamming ambush he is over extending and you end up with a manageable fight of you vs 2 nightblades. Instead of you vs a zerg. I think it all depends on if you value getting kills or escaping.

Streak doesn't really move you much further than dodgeroll. and there is the short pause before you move and another after (also the time taken to turn away from your opponents first). Streaking is slower than any stamtoon dodgerolling and sprinting. Not to mention it being shorter range than any gapclosers. It is a very poor tool for getting out of combat. It can be usefull to quickly streak to the side to los your opponent - and can be useful to keep out of range once you have already escaped - but that's about it. I won't even mention that unlike dodgeroll - you still get hit by those gapclosers (and the associated snare/stun that often comes with them)

Now if you used it in conjunction with boundless storm... major expedition + streak is where the mobility is - but guess what? it costs 2 skill slots to get. Any bow-user can get almost the same mobility with no skill-slots whatsoever.

I can't speak for all sorcs - but for a lot of stuff mentioned here - I can't fit it all on my bars... Boundless? nope - no room.. I can have either an execute or an anytime - but not both. I can't fit in healing ward (nor surge except for overload bar).. And having to use that overload bar means effectively only having one ult slotted. The point is, you can't have all this stuff at once!

If anything is op on a magsorc - its defensive rune.

thankyourat

Biro123 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Sorc mobility isn't that great on magicka sorc !

Chasing a sorc is extremely easy, you just need a gap closer, and use it when he streak, sorc mobility gone.

Any medium armor build using a bow can be mobile like sorc, mith major expedition + sprint + dodge.

Magicka NB have better mobility, because the best escape skill is shadow Image, if play well, you can escape for 99% of situations.

Don't forget streak can't be spamming, cuz 50% more cost each time you use it if you don't wait 4s.

The magicka sorc mobily have counter play, it's just a L2P issue

Shadow image can only be used once and if you are snared you aren't getting away players will just run to your shade and cast an AOE to pull you out of stealth. Or the Xv1 nightblade who marks you but doesn't attack until you are out numbered will all put a end to magblade mobility. What makes streak more practical is it can be used multiple times in a row and doesn't require set up. So if you streak away and you get a nightblade spamming ambush he is over extending and you end up with a manageable fight of you vs 2 nightblades. Instead of you vs a zerg. I think it all depends on if you value getting kills or escaping.

Streak doesn't really move you much further than dodgeroll. and there is the short pause before you move and another after (also the time taken to turn away from your opponents first). Streaking is slower than any stamtoon dodgerolling and sprinting. Not to mention it being shorter range than any gapclosers. It is a very poor tool for getting out of combat. It can be usefull to quickly streak to the side to los your opponent - and can be useful to keep out of range once you have already escaped - but that's about it. I won't even mention that unlike dodgeroll - you still get hit by those gapclosers (and the associated snare/stun that often comes with them)

Now if you used it in conjunction with boundless storm... major expedition + streak is where the mobility is - but guess what? it costs 2 skill slots to get. Any bow-user can get almost the same mobility with no skill-slots whatsoever.

I can't speak for all sorcs - but for a lot of stuff mentioned here - I can't fit it all on my bars... Boundless? nope - no room.. I can have either an execute or an anytime - but not both. I can't fit in healing ward (nor surge except for overload bar).. And having to use that overload bar means effectively only having one ult slotted. The point is, you can't have all this stuff at once!

If anything is op on a magsorc - its defensive rune.

Yes what you are referring to though is Stam vs mag. A stamblade will have alot more mobility than a mag sorc simply because they get major expedition from a passive meaning they don't have to give up a skill slot they sprint faster and have snare removal from shuffle. The sorcerer class overall though is more mobile than the nightblade class. If you compare Stam sorc mobility to stamblade or magsorc to magblade both of the sorc versions are more mobile and streak is a huge part to that. Both steak and shade have weaknesses but streak is a lot more practical

Edziu

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

HoloYoitsu

Edziu wrote: »

@HoloYoitsu everything what you postac what is purgable its only by templar because nobody normal have slotted very expensive pvp purge on cyrodil without very rare good zerg as zerg squad etc

and Miat's addon isnt finally disabled? but if he now just work in other way...at all everyo other addon which telling you when to block, dodge etc i like cheat

Purge isn't prohibitively expensive, it costs less than Coagulating Blood.

Edziu wrote: »

and to stam cost of break free etc utility on mag builds...do you ever pvp? its not problem to have always stamina for break free if you know how to play

I showed you how that statement is 100% mathematically unfounded and your retort is..."do you ever pvp"? Your "know how to play" doesn't change how math works.

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

Edziu

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@HoloYoitsu everything what you postac what is purgable its only by templar because nobody normal have slotted very expensive pvp purge on cyrodil without very rare good zerg as zerg squad etc

and Miat's addon isnt finally disabled? but if he now just work in other way...at all everyo other addon which telling you when to block, dodge etc i like cheat

Purge isn't prohibitively expensive, it costs less than Coagulating Blood.

Edziu wrote: »

and to stam cost of break free etc utility on mag builds...do you ever pvp? its not problem to have always stamina for break free if you know how to play

I showed you how that statement is 100% mathematically unfounded and your retort is..."do you ever pvp"? Your "know how to play" doesn't change how math works.

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

what if they also gap close? in most cases I have seen how only 1-2 peopl had good reaction to also spam gap close and then thos 2 player arnt problem for shieldstacker like a zerg, while shielstacking apply curse, crystal will proc and gg, you have time to streak again or you just killng your catchers, for sorc this isnt any bigger problem to kite just 2 people

Waffennacht

Edziu wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@HoloYoitsu everything what you postac what is purgable its only by templar because nobody normal have slotted very expensive pvp purge on cyrodil without very rare good zerg as zerg squad etc

and Miat's addon isnt finally disabled? but if he now just work in other way...at all everyo other addon which telling you when to block, dodge etc i like cheat

Purge isn't prohibitively expensive, it costs less than Coagulating Blood.

Edziu wrote: »

and to stam cost of break free etc utility on mag builds...do you ever pvp? its not problem to have always stamina for break free if you know how to play

I showed you how that statement is 100% mathematically unfounded and your retort is..."do you ever pvp"? Your "know how to play" doesn't change how math works.

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

what if they also gap close? in most cases I have seen how only 1-2 peopl had good reaction to also spam gap close and then thos 2 player arnt problem for shieldstacker like a zerg, while shielstacking apply curse, crystal will proc and gg, you have time to streak again or you just killng your catchers, for sorc this isnt any bigger problem to kite just 2 people

Well if bad players are bad...

But good players will dodge roll your frag. The typical combo uses streak to land the frag, but if you just streaked to have 2 players chase with gap closer, you're gonna be low on magicka and it's inevitable you will die - against two good players

Smmokkee

All the sorc defense is comical. Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

apostate9

Betheny wrote: »

Thread starter got killed by a Sorc therefore Sorc must be OP because only OP things can kill him he's so pro

Cue pvp nerf thread.

(another angry and depressed pvper thread) <--- for easier future searching

Another trite and stupid post where you claim someone you don't know is depressed. Why bother? You are the one who sounds bent out of shape all the time.

Biro123

Waffennacht wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@HoloYoitsu everything what you postac what is purgable its only by templar because nobody normal have slotted very expensive pvp purge on cyrodil without very rare good zerg as zerg squad etc

and Miat's addon isnt finally disabled? but if he now just work in other way...at all everyo other addon which telling you when to block, dodge etc i like cheat

Purge isn't prohibitively expensive, it costs less than Coagulating Blood.

Edziu wrote: »

and to stam cost of break free etc utility on mag builds...do you ever pvp? its not problem to have always stamina for break free if you know how to play

I showed you how that statement is 100% mathematically unfounded and your retort is..."do you ever pvp"? Your "know how to play" doesn't change how math works.

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

what if they also gap close? in most cases I have seen how only 1-2 peopl had good reaction to also spam gap close and then thos 2 player arnt problem for shieldstacker like a zerg, while shielstacking apply curse, crystal will proc and gg, you have time to streak again or you just killng your catchers, for sorc this isnt any bigger problem to kite just 2 people

Well if bad players are bad...

But good players will dodge roll your frag. The typical combo uses streak to land the frag, but if you just streaked to have 2 players chase with gap closer, you're gonna be low on magicka and it's inevitable you will die - against two good players

Not to mention that if you're streaking to try to escape, you're using your gcd's on streaking and not shielding. When those 2 gap closers get you, you're dead.

The simple answer to anyone who is thinks a particular class is op is to go play one. Chances are you won't find it as strong as you thought.. And you'll see which other classes seem op to that class..

Fodore

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

You streak 2 times and you've just burnt burnt through 9k magicka. Not the smartest thing if you ask me.

SodanTok

Biro123 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Sorc mobility isn't that great on magicka sorc !

Chasing a sorc is extremely easy, you just need a gap closer, and use it when he streak, sorc mobility gone.

Any medium armor build using a bow can be mobile like sorc, mith major expedition + sprint + dodge.

Magicka NB have better mobility, because the best escape skill is shadow Image, if play well, you can escape for 99% of situations.

Don't forget streak can't be spamming, cuz 50% more cost each time you use it if you don't wait 4s.

The magicka sorc mobily have counter play, it's just a L2P issue

Shadow image can only be used once and if you are snared you aren't getting away players will just run to your shade and cast an AOE to pull you out of stealth. Or the Xv1 nightblade who marks you but doesn't attack until you are out numbered will all put a end to magblade mobility. What makes streak more practical is it can be used multiple times in a row and doesn't require set up. So if you streak away and you get a nightblade spamming ambush he is over extending and you end up with a manageable fight of you vs 2 nightblades. Instead of you vs a zerg. I think it all depends on if you value getting kills or escaping.

Streak doesn't really move you much further than dodgeroll. and there is the short pause before you move and another after (also the time taken to turn away from your opponents first). Streaking is slower than any stamtoon dodgerolling and sprinting. Not to mention it being shorter range than any gapclosers. It is a very poor tool for getting out of combat. It can be usefull to quickly streak to the side to los your opponent - and can be useful to keep out of range once you have already escaped - but that's about it. I won't even mention that unlike dodgeroll - you still get hit by those gapclosers (and the associated snare/stun that often comes with them)

Now if you used it in conjunction with boundless storm... major expedition + streak is where the mobility is - but guess what? it costs 2 skill slots to get. Any bow-user can get almost the same mobility with no skill-slots whatsoever.

I can't speak for all sorcs - but for a lot of stuff mentioned here - I can't fit it all on my bars... Boundless? nope - no room.. I can have either an execute or an anytime - but not both. I can't fit in healing ward (nor surge except for overload bar).. And having to use that overload bar means effectively only having one ult slotted. The point is, you can't have all this stuff at once!

If anything is op on a magsorc - its defensive rune.

Thats a lot of BS. Streak moves you much further than dodgeroll, its MUCH faster than any dodge rolling (in terms of distance covered per second). I can't say it is good tool to get out of gapcloser range, but it is still the best. To cover long distance you dont use dodge roll on stam character but sprint and even with snare immunity you get snared from gapclosers too, making you slower, streak is unaffected by that. No bow user can even get close to that mobility. Stamsorc with bow, using dodge roll for major expedition and "weaving" between his streaks is needed to match magsorc "escape speed" if they are out of range of gapclosers.

Waffennacht

No one escapes...

NBs just die tired, everyone else just dies.

You're dead now, you just don't it yet.

O-O;

Edziu

Fodore wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

You streak 2 times and you've just burnt burnt through 9k magicka. Not the smartest thing if you ask me.

lol? so you must playing wrong when I see almost every running away with streak sorc he is doing minimum 3-4 streaks in row before he will stop it just to lost sight

HoloYoitsu

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the sorc defense is comical.

Oh, you want me to get comical?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

Smmokkee

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the sorc defense is comical.

Oh, you want me to get comical?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

Who's casting streak once? Lol I mean really even with the increased cost.

They can't recast while they are cc'ed but how hard is it to break free? Then they have a CC immunity, shields back up, maybe a pot gets used by the time you can CC again they have enough stam to break free again and the cycle repeats. All the while at any point in that time they can bring down a burst that rivals any class in the game..

And let's not sit here and act like sorcs aren't spamming whatever button HW is on to deal with the majority of their defense.

Yeah pretty *** comical.

Sorcs just look like they are out in Cyrodiil getting jacked doing all those laterals when they spam hw.

Thelon

HoloYoitsu

Smmokkee wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the sorc defense is comical.

Oh, you want me to get comical?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

Who's casting streak once? Lol I mean really even with the increased cost.

Smmokkee wrote: »

They can't recast while they are cc'ed but how hard is it to break free? Then they have a CC immunity, shields back up, maybe a pot gets used by the time you can CC again they have enough stam to break free again and the cycle repeats.

You're still ignoring the math, do I need to draw a picture for you?

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the while at any point in that time they can bring down a burst that rivals any class in the game..

Smmokkee wrote: »

And let's not sit here and act like sorcs aren't spamming whatever button HW is on to deal with the majority of their defense.

Only against players like you, hardened Ward alone is not sufficient defense vs a competent player unless their build is simply not suited to fighting a sorc at all.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah pretty *** comical.

Sorcs just look like they are out in Cyrodiil getting jacked doing all those laterals when they spam hw.

"Getting jacked doing all those laterals"? Cool story bruh.

KingJ

I will say one of the reasons I don't like sorcs or fighting sorcs is that they just completely negate my build which is good for every other class and spec but sorcs.My build has high armor pen and high crit and both of those things mean nothing too a sorc shield stacking.I don't think sorc are overpowered they are just above some of the other classes right now mainly magnb.

Fodore

Edziu wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@Biro123

gap closer have 22m range, streak 15m so with fast spammed just 2x streak you are out of range from any gap closers and then just next 1 or maybe 2 streak and you are safe and you can dark deal etc to regen some with boundles storm active and still moving away from enemies whiel alse with sprint with speedbuff you wont run this distance fast as sorc will streak this distance

You streak 2 times and you've just burnt burnt through 9k magicka. Not the smartest thing if you ask me.

lol? so you must playing wrong when I see almost every running away with streak sorc he is doing minimum 3-4 streaks in row before he will stop it just to lost sight

Do you know how streak works? You use it and then for the next 4 seconds it costs 50% more than the first time. This keeps on stacking with every streak you use. If you are getting away from people you have to streak more than once very quickly just to make sure that they can't gap close to you. Which means you've just burnt through 9k magicka.

You know what 3 streaks in a row will cost you? In the region of 16k magicka

4 streaks, oh boy you're gonna like this one, about 24k magicka. I doubt you will have enough resources after a long fight to use that much though so good luck.

I really am doubting if you even know anything at all about sorcs...

Smmokkee

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the sorc defense is comical.

Oh, you want me to get comical?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

Who's casting streak once? Lol I mean really even with the increased cost.

Smmokkee wrote: »

They can't recast while they are cc'ed but how hard is it to break free? Then they have a CC immunity, shields back up, maybe a pot gets used by the time you can CC again they have enough stam to break free again and the cycle repeats.

You're still ignoring the math, do I need to draw a picture for you?

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the while at any point in that time they can bring down a burst that rivals any class in the game..

Smmokkee wrote: »

And let's not sit here and act like sorcs aren't spamming whatever button HW is on to deal with the majority of their defense.

Only against players like you, hardened Ward alone is not sufficient defense vs a competent player unless their build is simply not suited to fighting a sorc at all.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah pretty *** comical.

Sorcs just look like they are out in Cyrodiil getting jacked doing all those laterals when they spam hw.

"Getting jacked doing all those laterals"? Cool story bruh.

We can all sit here an act like magsorc isn't on top of the food chain. Streak is insanely good. All you have to do is make sure your first streak is through the person and by the time they go to gap close they can already be onto the next streak.

I said the majority of their defense comes from hardened ward.. which is strong as hell combined with all the other stuff you have to worry about when you fight a mag sorc.

Break it down all you want. Pvp is circumstantial, it's really on the sorc to make a mistake or have a weak build. If he plays it right the fights probably gonna last forever but always be sort of tipped in the sorcs favor.

All you find in Cyrodiil nowadays is MagSorcs, Magplars, and MagDks.

I really think zos knows they have to shake things up with Morrowind or they risk losing all the people that are coming back or just trying out the game. People aren't going to enjoy pvp in its current state. And with all the new titles coming out this year or, being introduced to console a huge shift in the gameplay is needed.

Izaki

Waffennacht wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

Sounds like you like mobility, I would suggest making a sorc, class balance is probably the best it has been in a while for pvp

Said no mag nb ever

Everyone gives poor mNB a hard time... I'm absolutely loving mine in heavy armor... i mean he does have like the most insane passive healing ever.

Swallow Soul, Path, (passive minor just from slotting soul) the max health passive plus heavy passive, plus mutagen/rapids, soul triggers TK on the offensive. Healing Ward (could stack annulment on that too). With cheap Panacea the potion ult gain is huge.

Has instant burst (yes merciless is weird) but you have access to mass hysteria and very hard hitting ults. You have dots.

Now, however, if you're talkin more group play where you wouldn't want as much single target etc then maybe he has a harder time.

I dunno, maybe it's the sap tank version vs the mNB LA version?

Magicka Nightblades suck pretty bad. In both PvE and PvP. No matter what crazy good build you have, mNBs are pretty terrible outside of duels and vMA. Definitely the worst overall class in ESO at the moment.

Izaki

Smmokkee wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the sorc defense is comical.

Oh, you want me to get comical?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

Who's casting streak once? Lol I mean really even with the increased cost.

Smmokkee wrote: »

They can't recast while they are cc'ed but how hard is it to break free? Then they have a CC immunity, shields back up, maybe a pot gets used by the time you can CC again they have enough stam to break free again and the cycle repeats.

You're still ignoring the math, do I need to draw a picture for you?

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the while at any point in that time they can bring down a burst that rivals any class in the game..

Smmokkee wrote: »

And let's not sit here and act like sorcs aren't spamming whatever button HW is on to deal with the majority of their defense.

Only against players like you, hardened Ward alone is not sufficient defense vs a competent player unless their build is simply not suited to fighting a sorc at all.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah pretty *** comical.

Sorcs just look like they are out in Cyrodiil getting jacked doing all those laterals when they spam hw.

"Getting jacked doing all those laterals"? Cool story bruh.

We can all sit here an act like magsorc isn't on top of the food chain. Streak is insanely good. All you have to do is make sure your first streak is through the person and by the time they go to gap close they can already be onto the next streak.

I said the majority of their defense comes from hardened ward.. which is strong as hell combined with all the other stuff you have to worry about when you fight a mag sorc.

Break it down all you want. Pvp is circumstantial, it's really on the sorc to make a mistake or have a weak build. If he plays it right the fights probably gonna last forever but always be sort of tipped in the sorcs favor.

All you find in Cyrodiil nowadays is MagSorcs, Magplars, and MagDks.

I really think zos knows they have to shake things up with Morrowind or they risk losing all the people that are coming back or just trying out the game. People aren't going to enjoy pvp in its current state. And with all the new titles coming out this year or, being introduced to console a huge shift in the gameplay is needed.

The only time a magsorc is at the top of a food chain, is in PvE.

HoloYoitsu

Smmokkee wrote: »

We can all sit here an act like magsorc isn't on top of the food chain. Streak is insanely good. All you have to do is make sure your first streak is through the person and by the time they go to gap close they can already be onto the next streak.

And if you actually played sorc, you would know that by the time you are on that 2nd streak, a competent stam player is already crit rushing onto your backside. You can sit here pounding away at the keyboard trying to claim that stam builds can't chase down a sorc, but all that reveals is your utter ignorance at best. With the number of stam builds able to run into the horizon in cyro, I don't see how you can posit your argument in good faith.

Smmokkee wrote: »

I said the majority of their defense comes from hardened ward.. which is strong as hell combined with all the other stuff you have to worry about when you fight a mag sorc.

And...? Other classes all have strong defensive class specific mechanics as well. Sorc dmg rotation is the most predictable, because it relies on timing Curse.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Break it down all you want. Pvp is circumstantial, it's really on the sorc to make a mistake or have a weak build. If he plays it right the fights probably gonna last forever but always be sort of tipped in the sorcs favor.

You are just reasserting your premise here, you have offered no discernible hard evidence for it.

Smmokkee wrote: »

All you find in Cyrodiil nowadays is MagSorcs, Magplars, and MagDks.

I really think zos knows they have to shake things up with Morrowind or they risk losing all the people that are coming back or just trying out the game. People aren't going to enjoy pvp in its current state. And with all the new titles coming out this year or, being introduced to console a huge shift in the gameplay is needed.

Oh god forbid there's actually a fairly even distribution between mag & stam builds in cyro now. Have we finally reached the crux of your griping?

ToRelax

Smmokkee wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the sorc defense is comical.

Oh, you want me to get comical?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Great survivability, huge burst potential and solid mobility.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just wait 6 seconds? Uhh ok.. if he doesn't cast it again lol?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Just keep up the CC.. uhh ok.. CC immunity? Shields back up? Pots?

Smmokkee wrote: »

Gap close when they use streak.. uhh lol he's like 100 yards away now.. how? No one can reset a fight like a sorc.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Meanwhile the sorc is spamming one button while the medium armor stam build is smashing every button on his controller to survive but it's ok guys.. Just wait the 6 seconds, apply a CC and win.. It's that easy, you're all pugs.

Lol.. ok.

Who's casting streak once? Lol I mean really even with the increased cost.

Smmokkee wrote: »

They can't recast while they are cc'ed but how hard is it to break free? Then they have a CC immunity, shields back up, maybe a pot gets used by the time you can CC again they have enough stam to break free again and the cycle repeats.

You're still ignoring the math, do I need to draw a picture for you?

Smmokkee wrote: »

All the while at any point in that time they can bring down a burst that rivals any class in the game..

Smmokkee wrote: »

And let's not sit here and act like sorcs aren't spamming whatever button HW is on to deal with the majority of their defense.

Only against players like you, hardened Ward alone is not sufficient defense vs a competent player unless their build is simply not suited to fighting a sorc at all.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah pretty *** comical.

Sorcs just look like they are out in Cyrodiil getting jacked doing all those laterals when they spam hw.

"Getting jacked doing all those laterals"? Cool story bruh.

We can all sit here an act like magsorc isn't on top of the food chain. Streak is insanely good. All you have to do is make sure your first streak is through the person and by the time they go to gap close they can already be onto the next streak.

I said the majority of their defense comes from hardened ward.. which is strong as hell combined with all the other stuff you have to worry about when you fight a mag sorc.

Break it down all you want. Pvp is circumstantial, it's really on the sorc to make a mistake or have a weak build. If he plays it right the fights probably gonna last forever but always be sort of tipped in the sorcs favor.

All you find in Cyrodiil nowadays is MagSorcs, Magplars, and MagDks.

I really think zos knows they have to shake things up with Morrowind or they risk losing all the people that are coming back or just trying out the game. People aren't going to enjoy pvp in its current state. And with all the new titles coming out this year or, being introduced to console a huge shift in the gameplay is needed.

Honestly, I think I see more magNBs than magDKs in open world, though I'm not entirely sure. Not to mention every single stam class...

Jsmalls

I can't speak for PC's PvP population but idk where this, Cyrodiil consists of 50% magicka Sorcs comes from. I play on Xbox one and Mag Sorcs probably make up 10% of the population? Honestly don't see them very often.

And I can say this with certainty because I love 1v1ing or even 1vXing Mag Sorcs. They never expect another Mag Sorc to reflect their frag back at them followed with another frag behind it. That or they'll pop a destro ultimate think their invincible and not reapply their ward and die.

Great Sorcerers are as rough to deal with as other classes played by good players.

Destro staves get an 8% single target boost and Mag Sorcerers go from iffy in PvP to OP MUST NERF. Honestly don't get it.

WillhelmBlack

Haunting Curse made them OP, well easier to play as their finisher doesn't need good timing anymore. I don't even think ZOS even considered their execute and execute passive when they tweaked it. Plus someone posted Malcolms build on YouTube.

They'll still get demolished by a good Magplar though because Purify OP.

KingJ

Jsmalls wrote: »

I can't speak for PC's PvP population but idk where this, Cyrodiil consists of 50% magicka Sorcs comes from. I play on Xbox one and Mag Sorcs probably make up 10% of the population? Honestly don't see them very often.
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@Jsmalls I know you play Xbox but what you are saying isn't true. I see almost as many magsorc as I see magplars now. I see magsorc everywhere at least 30% of players on Haderus are magsorc.I will say there more NB and Magplar but 10% is just disingenuous.

Jsmalls

@KingJ
Which alliance are you? I play DC and maybe all the mag Sorcs are on DC? Idk but I legitimately don't see many

thankyourat

Jsmalls wrote: »

I can't speak for PC's PvP population but idk where this, Cyrodiil consists of 50% magicka Sorcs comes from. I play on Xbox one and Mag Sorcs probably make up 10% of the population? Honestly don't see them very often.

And I can say this with certainty because I love 1v1ing or even 1vXing Mag Sorcs. They never expect another Mag Sorc to reflect their frag back at them followed with another frag behind it. That or they'll pop a destro ultimate think their invincible and not reapply their ward and die.

Great Sorcerers are as rough to deal with as other classes played by good players.

Destro staves get an 8% single target boost and Mag Sorcerers go from iffy in PvP to OP MUST NERF. Honestly don't get it.

Lol I think that was you who got my magblade with that. I was so confused when I died. But on Xbox its most definitely more mag sorcs than anything else maybe magplar has more, but it's close

KingJ

Jsmalls wrote: »

@KingJ
Which alliance are you? I play DC and maybe all the mag Sorcs are on DC? Idk but I legitimately don't see many

@Jsmalls I also play DC.