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Stam dk

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Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

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Nellzer wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

I'd have to say MagDK just because they're damage is garbage in open world. They do not make good 1vxers, my friend plays stamina dragonknight and I keep telling him that MagDK is not good open world but he always has to say "Oh but Deltias said this, or SypherPk said that", I made him a build for his stamdk, he is poor as hell, this build is successful, then guess what he does? He switches builds 4 times in one week which really pisses me off because the one that I told him to wear was working, and also because he is always begging me for materials. I'm getting kind of tired of it.

MagDK > stamDK in every aspect

Sometimes I wonder if we're all playing the same game.

Open world, by definition, implies you're rarely/never fighting 1v1, almost always 1vX or small group.

1vX, stamDK is worlds better than mDK, like...not even remotely close. Even 1v1 is close, but stamDK imo is superior here as well.

mDKs are very strong in small groups, but probably marginally ahead of stamDK.

mDKs got a nice buff but overall they're still just 'meh.' Very little burst and any decent player will proactively heal through all of your DoT damage.

So you think a tanking proc set stamDK is more effective at 1vX than a tanky Destro Ult + Enhale + Talons spamming magDK? Yeah there's a world of a difference alright, and it's in the magDKs favor.

I think stam dk is better than mag dk. Every Stam class will be better than their magicka counterpart for solo PvP because the dynamics of solo PvP better fit the stamina playstyle. It's easier for stamina builds to reposition and they have better more easily accessible burst damage. Which are two of the most important things when playing solo PvP. As for what makes Stam dk better than mag dk for solo PvP is it hits twice as hard while being just as tanky and has acsess to a gap closer and a execute. This is just for solo play I feel group play is the complete opposite with magicka being much better

You are either incredibly bias or ignorant. The magDK is stupid OP and the stamDK is garbage in comparison.

I think stam dk is the best class in the game. I can kite a mag dk all day. Mag dk still has open world problems it's op in duels and great in group play but it's not all that great for solo play. But I agree mag dk is op. I been thought it was op before the buffs. I just think stam dk is on another level than the rest of the classes it's just so solid. it also has twice the burst damage as a mag dk, better healing and mobility, and an execute. The only thing mag dk had over Stam is crowd control. Both classes are op. But there is no way to counter a stam dk it literally has everything

Um I don't know man, Stam DK has nothing special going for it, using proc sets/Weapons skills/Trap beast etc are not DK skills these can easily be used on other classes way more effectively.

hassubhai

Mag sorc

Magsorc with its limited and easily countered play style is far too predictable and easy to counter in open world. 2 or 3half decent players that know how to do decent burst can *** on a magsorc, and it leaves very little counterplay for the magsorc

Strider_Roshin

Stam dk

hassubhai wrote: »

Magsorc with its limited and easily countered play style is far too predictable and easy to counter in open world. 2 or 3half decent players that know how to do decent burst can *** on a magsorc, and it leaves very little counterplay for the magsorc

Please tell me you're joking. This is the strongest solo class in the game. I don't even front bar a shield, and I can easily 1vX. In case you're wondering what I'm using it's 5 Kag's, 5 Rattlecage, Maelstrom resto + destro, blue food, and the apprentice stone, and I'm a Dunmer vampire. The Dunmer passives with three tri glyph enchants on my head, chest, and legs make it so I can avoid using purple food. All my gear is impen, and I use mutagen (resto gives more Magicka), and weakness to elements on my destro bar.

LeifErickson

Mageblade

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Nellzer wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

I'd have to say MagDK just because they're damage is garbage in open world. They do not make good 1vxers, my friend plays stamina dragonknight and I keep telling him that MagDK is not good open world but he always has to say "Oh but Deltias said this, or SypherPk said that", I made him a build for his stamdk, he is poor as hell, this build is successful, then guess what he does? He switches builds 4 times in one week which really pisses me off because the one that I told him to wear was working, and also because he is always begging me for materials. I'm getting kind of tired of it.

MagDK > stamDK in every aspect

Sometimes I wonder if we're all playing the same game.

Open world, by definition, implies you're rarely/never fighting 1v1, almost always 1vX or small group.

1vX, stamDK is worlds better than mDK, like...not even remotely close. Even 1v1 is close, but stamDK imo is superior here as well.

mDKs are very strong in small groups, but probably marginally ahead of stamDK.

mDKs got a nice buff but overall they're still just 'meh.' Very little burst and any decent player will proactively heal through all of your DoT damage.

So you think a tanking proc set stamDK is more effective at 1vX than a tanky Destro Ult + Enhale + Talons spamming magDK? Yeah there's a world of a difference alright, and it's in the magDKs favor.

I think stam dk is better than mag dk. Every Stam class will be better than their magicka counterpart for solo PvP because the dynamics of solo PvP better fit the stamina playstyle. It's easier for stamina builds to reposition and they have better more easily accessible burst damage. Which are two of the most important things when playing solo PvP. As for what makes Stam dk better than mag dk for solo PvP is it hits twice as hard while being just as tanky and has acsess to a gap closer and a execute. This is just for solo play I feel group play is the complete opposite with magicka being much better

You are either incredibly bias or ignorant. The magDK is stupid OP and the stamDK is garbage in comparison.

I'm sorry but this is just not true. Stam dk is way way way better solo than mag dk. Maybe in a group the mag dk is better.

CyrusArya

Magplar

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Nah not at all noy based on its own kit, if you run Tremorscale/Viper etc it doen't even compete with stam sorc.

Those are sets that any class can run and do way better.

What? The class has an amazing kit. Igneous shield and battle roar are respectively two of the best active and passive skills in the entire game. Venom claw is one of the strongest DoT's in the entire game, and noxious breath gives major fracture with any weapon. These give stam dk the ability to stack DoT's in a way that no other class can. DoTs are hella good in PvE and PvP. Stam DK can get up to 37% extra healing. Igneous Shield+Hardened Armor can give a 4-6k damage shield on a stam build, something no other class can do. They get 3k spell resist as a passive and block more damage than any other class. Take Flight is a gap closing AoE stamina burst with a 20k tooltip that is undodgable and has a CC. Corrosive makes you invincible, tops off your resources, and lets you completely ignore armor resist.

Almost every single passive in the DK tree is relevant to stamina builds, which is something you can't say about the other classes.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Also, Bloodspawn>Everything on DK.

These kinda threads are very insightful in revealing who's input on balance to never take seriously. Cus stam DK is bad for solo play and worse than magicka DK.

thankyourat

Mageblade

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thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Nellzer wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

I'd have to say MagDK just because they're damage is garbage in open world. They do not make good 1vxers, my friend plays stamina dragonknight and I keep telling him that MagDK is not good open world but he always has to say "Oh but Deltias said this, or SypherPk said that", I made him a build for his stamdk, he is poor as hell, this build is successful, then guess what he does? He switches builds 4 times in one week which really pisses me off because the one that I told him to wear was working, and also because he is always begging me for materials. I'm getting kind of tired of it.

MagDK > stamDK in every aspect

Sometimes I wonder if we're all playing the same game.

Open world, by definition, implies you're rarely/never fighting 1v1, almost always 1vX or small group.

1vX, stamDK is worlds better than mDK, like...not even remotely close. Even 1v1 is close, but stamDK imo is superior here as well.

mDKs are very strong in small groups, but probably marginally ahead of stamDK.

mDKs got a nice buff but overall they're still just 'meh.' Very little burst and any decent player will proactively heal through all of your DoT damage.

So you think a tanking proc set stamDK is more effective at 1vX than a tanky Destro Ult + Enhale + Talons spamming magDK? Yeah there's a world of a difference alright, and it's in the magDKs favor.

I think stam dk is better than mag dk. Every Stam class will be better than their magicka counterpart for solo PvP because the dynamics of solo PvP better fit the stamina playstyle. It's easier for stamina builds to reposition and they have better more easily accessible burst damage. Which are two of the most important things when playing solo PvP. As for what makes Stam dk better than mag dk for solo PvP is it hits twice as hard while being just as tanky and has acsess to a gap closer and a execute. This is just for solo play I feel group play is the complete opposite with magicka being much better

You are either incredibly bias or ignorant. The magDK is stupid OP and the stamDK is garbage in comparison.

I think stam dk is the best class in the game. I can kite a mag dk all day. Mag dk still has open world problems it's op in duels and great in group play but it's not all that great for solo play. But I agree mag dk is op. I been thought it was op before the buffs. I just think stam dk is on another level than the rest of the classes it's just so solid. it also has twice the burst damage as a mag dk, better healing and mobility, and an execute. The only thing mag dk had over Stam is crowd control. Both classes are op. But there is no way to counter a stam dk it literally has everything

Um I don't know man, Stam DK has nothing special going for it, using proc sets/Weapons skills/Trap beast etc are not DK skills these can easily be used on other classes way more effectively.

Yea but all stamina classes are like that because there are very few stamina options for in class abilities. Stam dk can still use it's magicka class skills and passives making it absurdly​ tanky and get really good burst from weapon skill lines. Stam dk's also have amazing ultimates and are Demi-gods with sword and board. 2hand and bow is still great for open world as well

FloppyTouch

Mag sorc

Damn was going to pick mNB

SneaK

Magplar

^^^ solo

Small group is completely different from solo, and then it all depends on the group comp.

CatchMeTrolling

Magplar

Yeah the poll is bias cause you can't even compare solo and small group play so it's inaccurate in that regard. Anyone thinking magplar is a solo class is out of their mind, then on top of that some of the classes people are saying is bad doesn't make sense such as sorc & stam dk.

On top of that people are proving my point when I say they judge a class by wanting it to be a jack of all trades saying things like "Well we have good damage, sustain, mobility but we're squishy"

This jack of all trades mentality ruins the game, no class should have everything & that's one of the biggest problems with balance & broken builds.

SneaK

Magplar

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Yeah the poll is bias cause you can't even compare solo and small group play so it's inaccurate in that regard. Anyone thinking magplar is a solo class is out of their mind, then on top of that some of the classes people are saying is bad doesn't make sense such as sorc & stam dk.

On top of that people are proving my point when I say they judge a class by wanting it to be a jack of all trades saying things like "Well we have good damage, sustain, mobility but we're squishy"

This jack of all trades mentality ruins the game, no class should have everything & that's one of the biggest problems with balance & broken builds.

Word up.

Tamriel Socialists

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Mageblade

Mageblade..too many reasons to list but I'll settle for a nightblade buff in general of old cloak purge and a buff to swallow soul damage to align with the recent cost increase and concealed weapon increase to align with the already high cost. Plz and ty!

thankyourat

Mageblade

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Mageblade..too many reasons to list but I'll settle for a nightblade buff in general of old cloak purge and a buff to swallow soul damage to align with the recent cost increase and concealed weapon increase to align with the already high cost. Plz and ty!

I think it would be better for pvp if they increase the healing instead of the damage of moves like strife and path. Make the hots actually useful in light armor. Because as of now they are kind of weak. Idk what to do with concealed weapon. It hits pretty hard but it cost so much magicka. it hits most medium armor builds for like 7k with crits, but what's the point of using this over strife when strife is cheaper and has increased healing. I don't think they could buff concealed weapon damage because it does hit hard against medium and light builds. it's just some heavy armor builds take no damage. I think that's a different problem all together though

Reefo

Mageblade

Lol so far 1 class alone vs the other 3 got 62% vote worst, and magblade itself got 42%.

And I actually think it's not fair it should be like 80% saying magblade is the worst.

Lucky28

Mageblade

Reefo wrote: »

Lol so far 1 class alone vs the other 3 got 62% vote worst, and magblade itself got 42%.

And I actually think it's not fair it should be like 80% saying magblade is the worst.

well, it's to be expected when people where saying for a while that magblade needs some help. then ZOS turns around and nerfs magblade

Rohamad_Ali

Mageblade

You can't mess up playing Magblade . There's no room for errors . Just one miss timed ability can mean the fight is over .

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Mageblade

thankyourat wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Mageblade..too many reasons to list but I'll settle for a nightblade buff in general of old cloak purge and a buff to swallow soul damage to align with the recent cost increase and concealed weapon increase to align with the already high cost. Plz and ty!

I think it would be better for pvp if they increase the healing instead of the damage of moves like strife and path. Make the hots actually useful in light armor. Because as of now they are kind of weak. Idk what to do with concealed weapon. It hits pretty hard but it cost so much magicka. it hits most medium armor builds for like 7k with crits, but what's the point of using this over strife when strife is cheaper and has increased healing. I don't think they could buff concealed weapon damage because it does hit hard against medium and light builds. it's just some heavy armor builds take no damage. I think that's a different problem all together though

That's true of concealed weapon..I suppose it is good and was a staple when using my old lich / Julianos back in the day since you could spam it but then heavy armor meta took over..

I guess my thinking on the swallow soul damage increase would indirectly increase the healing since it's based off 25% of the damage..maybe bump damage up 10% and healing 5%..idk but the increase of its cost should've been addressed with a slight buff to justify in my opinion.

P.S..sorry the other night thos.. two gankblades kept hovering me and opening on people out of stealth when I was trying to open world test my sap tank ha.

AAbrigo

Mageblade

I would play my magplar anytime over magblades in solo.

Unless you mastered magblades over a long time they aint no good, but to gank vd+destro ult.

Ariades_swe

hassubhai wrote: »

Magsorc with its limited and easily countered play style is far too predictable and easy to counter in open world. 2 or 3half decent players that know how to do decent burst can *** on a magsorc, and it leaves very little counterplay for the magsorc

Either a troll or a full *** folks.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Stam dk

LeifErickson wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

I'd have to say MagDK just because they're damage is garbage in open world. They do not make good 1vxers, my friend plays stamina dragonknight and I keep telling him that MagDK is not good open world but he always has to say "Oh but Deltias said this, or SypherPk said that", I made him a build for his stamdk, he is poor as hell, this build is successful, then guess what he does? He switches builds 4 times in one week which really pisses me off because the one that I told him to wear was working, and also because he is always begging me for materials. I'm getting kind of tired of it.

MagDK > stamDK in every aspect

Sorry but what? Stam dk is one of the best classes in the game.

no. If you play solo and expect to do duel or 1v2 1vs 3 .....mDK is totally better ( in the current state of the game) rather compared with the actually Stamina dk build ( s&b and 2h ) , mDK have better mobility with mist and best ultimate with destro staff.
At most stamDK can be one of the most easy to play....

As all classes, you must know how to play ..a noob with stamDK survive ..a noob with magiDK dies

Stratforge

Mageblade

I like that the polls public so you can see who has really bad opinions

Edziu

Mageblade

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

This is the part where everybody votes for the class they play the most, lol

naahh...Iplaying as stamblade and as I see nb is just the worst class to open world pvpe especially when cloak doenst work but at all magblade is much worse than stamblade as I see it...stamblade have chance to run away on rolldodge build will maglade...no good heals except healing wart and jsut weak swallow soul HoT

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

They're pretty solid, but their magicka counterpart is superior.

in 1v1 yes they are but in 1vX is harder to play in compare to stam dk and whaaat?? overall dk is the best to 1vX and survive very long with still killing those nubs

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We've been nerfed since homestead (evasion, unchained, and cost increase for Incap). Whereas all of magicka got buffed, and Stamplars got a strong buff. Stamblades were comparable to the other classes pre-homestead, but when everyone else got buffed, stamblades became subpar in comparison.

evasion using moslty by stupid tankly sick heavy armors while medium armor is seriousily squishy and this evasion mfrom medium armor skill line should be alboe to use while wearing minimum 5 medium armor parts, not while you are on full have, please stop QQ about evasion while you are wearing heavy

unchained nerf alosis mostly hurtin into heavy armor because sick meta for this and incap const increase I feel fore huing in pve stamblade than on pvp

Jitterbug

Edziu wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

This is the part where everybody votes for the class they play the most, lol

naahh...Iplaying as stamblade and as I see nb is just the worst class to open world pvpe especially when cloak doenst work but at all magblade is much worse than stamblade as I see it...stamblade have chance to run away on rolldodge build will maglade...no good heals except healing wart and jsut weak swallow soul HoT

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

They're pretty solid, but their magicka counterpart is superior.

in 1v1 yes they are but in 1vX is harder to play in compare to stam dk and whaaat?? overall dk is the best to 1vX and survive very long with still killing those nubs

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We've been nerfed since homestead (evasion, unchained, and cost increase for Incap). Whereas all of magicka got buffed, and Stamplars got a strong buff. Stamblades were comparable to the other classes pre-homestead, but when everyone else got buffed, stamblades became subpar in comparison.

evasion using moslty by stupid tankly sick heavy armors while medium armor is seriousily squishy and this evasion mfrom medium armor skill line should be alboe to use while wearing minimum 5 medium armor parts, not while you are on full have, please stop QQ about evasion while you are wearing heavy

unchained nerf alosis mostly hurtin into heavy armor because sick meta for this and incap const increase I feel fore huing in pve stamblade than on pvp

Can I buy some pot from you?

Thraben

Mageblade

Particularly hurtful for a MagBlade is that certain DK builds outperform them in their own class role, the bombing of large groups.

Maybe add a component of the shadow teleport that automatically ports you back to your shadow when you fall under 30% life, no matter what kind of CC is used against the Magblade.

SpiderCultist

Mageblade

So from this poll and the comments done on this thread (besides my own perspective) I would say open PVP goes like this:

stamSorc >= magSorc > stamDK > stamPLAR > magPLAR > magDK > stamNB > magNB

what do you say?

ostrapz

@zuto40 throwing me off because solo Id say mdk is near bottom and id take my stamblade over it any day. If Smallman is like 6ppl than my stamblade is now at the bottom and the mdk is like top 3, with magplar who is bottom 3 in solo becoming easily #1. Solo and smallscale are seperate really

Strider_Roshin

Stam dk

Edziu wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

This is the part where everybody votes for the class they play the most, lol

naahh...Iplaying as stamblade and as I see nb is just the worst class to open world pvpe especially when cloak doenst work but at all magblade is much worse than stamblade as I see it...stamblade have chance to run away on rolldodge build will maglade...no good heals except healing wart and jsut weak swallow soul HoT

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

They're pretty solid, but their magicka counterpart is superior.

in 1v1 yes they are but in 1vX is harder to play in compare to stam dk and whaaat?? overall dk is the best to 1vX and survive very long with still killing those nubs

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We've been nerfed since homestead (evasion, unchained, and cost increase for Incap). Whereas all of magicka got buffed, and Stamplars got a strong buff. Stamblades were comparable to the other classes pre-homestead, but when everyone else got buffed, stamblades became subpar in comparison.

evasion using moslty by stupid tankly sick heavy armors while medium armor is seriousily squishy and this evasion mfrom medium armor skill line should be alboe to use while wearing minimum 5 medium armor parts, not while you are on full have, please stop QQ about evasion while you are wearing heavy

unchained nerf alosis mostly hurtin into heavy armor because sick meta for this and incap const increase I feel fore huing in pve stamblade than on pvp

I don't wear heavy unless it's a magDK, magPlar, or a magBlade. The rest are medium unless it's my magsorc, then it's light.

Anti_Virus

Stam dk

CyrusArya wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Nah not at all noy based on its own kit, if you run Tremorscale/Viper etc it doen't even compete with stam sorc.

Those are sets that any class can run and do way better.

What? The class has an amazing kit. Igneous shield and battle roar are respectively two of the best active and passive skills in the entire game. Venom claw is one of the strongest DoT's in the entire game, and noxious breath gives major fracture with any weapon. These give stam dk the ability to stack DoT's in a way that no other class can. DoTs are hella good in PvE and PvP. Stam DK can get up to 37% extra healing. Igneous Shield+Hardened Armor can give a 4-6k damage shield on a stam build, something no other class can do. They get 3k spell resist as a passive and block more damage than any other class. Take Flight is a gap closing AoE stamina burst with a 20k tooltip that is undodgable and has a CC. Corrosive makes you invincible, tops off your resources, and lets you completely ignore armor resist.

Almost every single passive in the DK tree is relevant to stamina builds, which is something you can't say about the other classes.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Also, Bloodspawn>Everything on DK.

These kinda threads are very insightful in revealing who's input on balance to never take seriously. Cus stam DK is bad for solo play and worse than magicka DK.

-Igneous shield and Battle roar are also Mdk skills

- Venomous Claw is a great dot only good for PVE
Purges, Shields and Cloak exist in PVP to negate it

- Noxius breath misses half the time in PVP and applies major fracture a debuff that tanks apply most of the time in PVE

- No Stam DK is getting a large shield like that unless you have a high HP 15% of 25K is 3K /2 = 1.5K shield, but then you're just a tank.

- Templars also get about 3K spell resist passive(Balanced Warrior) check yourself.

- DBoS >>> Tank Flight(especially against vampires) and you get 3% WD

- Templars have a block passive( Spear wall) as well check yourself

- Corrosive armor is bugged in PVP it doesn't give you invincibility like it should Armor pen is good I'll give you that

- Yes I can other classes have great passives for stam builds, NBs has amazing ulti gen, armor buffs for using any shadow skill regen, Sorcs get cost reduction etc.

So no Stam DK is not a complete class and Other classes are way better with just Monster sets/ Weapons

Want mobility? Stam sorc
Want high burst? Stam NB/ Stam Templar
Want to be a troll tank/ Cheese with proc sets? Stam DK with its terrible dots for PVP.

Anti_Virus

Stam dk

thankyourat wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Nellzer wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

I'd have to say MagDK just because they're damage is garbage in open world. They do not make good 1vxers, my friend plays stamina dragonknight and I keep telling him that MagDK is not good open world but he always has to say "Oh but Deltias said this, or SypherPk said that", I made him a build for his stamdk, he is poor as hell, this build is successful, then guess what he does? He switches builds 4 times in one week which really pisses me off because the one that I told him to wear was working, and also because he is always begging me for materials. I'm getting kind of tired of it.

MagDK > stamDK in every aspect

Sometimes I wonder if we're all playing the same game.

Open world, by definition, implies you're rarely/never fighting 1v1, almost always 1vX or small group.

1vX, stamDK is worlds better than mDK, like...not even remotely close. Even 1v1 is close, but stamDK imo is superior here as well.

mDKs are very strong in small groups, but probably marginally ahead of stamDK.

mDKs got a nice buff but overall they're still just 'meh.' Very little burst and any decent player will proactively heal through all of your DoT damage.

So you think a tanking proc set stamDK is more effective at 1vX than a tanky Destro Ult + Enhale + Talons spamming magDK? Yeah there's a world of a difference alright, and it's in the magDKs favor.

I think stam dk is better than mag dk. Every Stam class will be better than their magicka counterpart for solo PvP because the dynamics of solo PvP better fit the stamina playstyle. It's easier for stamina builds to reposition and they have better more easily accessible burst damage. Which are two of the most important things when playing solo PvP. As for what makes Stam dk better than mag dk for solo PvP is it hits twice as hard while being just as tanky and has acsess to a gap closer and a execute. This is just for solo play I feel group play is the complete opposite with magicka being much better

You are either incredibly bias or ignorant. The magDK is stupid OP and the stamDK is garbage in comparison.

I think stam dk is the best class in the game. I can kite a mag dk all day. Mag dk still has open world problems it's op in duels and great in group play but it's not all that great for solo play. But I agree mag dk is op. I been thought it was op before the buffs. I just think stam dk is on another level than the rest of the classes it's just so solid. it also has twice the burst damage as a mag dk, better healing and mobility, and an execute. The only thing mag dk had over Stam is crowd control. Both classes are op. But there is no way to counter a stam dk it literally has everything

Um I don't know man, Stam DK has nothing special going for it, using proc sets/Weapons skills/Trap beast etc are not DK skills these can easily be used on other classes way more effectively.

Yea but all stamina classes are like that because there are very few stamina options for in class abilities. Stam dk can still use it's magicka class skills and passives making it absurdly​ tanky and get really good burst from weapon skill lines. Stam dk's also have amazing ultimates and are Demi-gods with sword and board. 2hand and bow is still great for open world as well

Well Stam Templars and Stam NBs have about 4 -5 class skills morphs...

Also you are reinforcing what I'm saying I have great burst from Stam sorcs and NBs as well when using Weapon skills.

I can play stam sorc and have more speed while having great burst with weapons sams with Templars/NBs. DKs burst with SnB is reliant on Proc sets which again can be used on other classes.
The only DK ultimate that is good is take flight but is out classed by DBoS.

I stopped playing Stam DK because other classes can do what stam DK can do but better because they have better class kits and options. Power of the light and other class morphs+ purge and major mending on templars and 'protecting the house' gameplay is way more fun then wearing black rose/ viper/ tremorscale and spamming taunt to kill people because my dots suck in pvp.

peak99

Stamblade

I think magblades have a significantly higher skill floor than other classes right now, but I think stamblades open world are probably the worst. Yeah they can gank....

Full disclosure, stamblade is the one class I haven't played at full cp160 yet. I'm just used to gank attempts and either destroying them, resetting after a failed attempt (usually means they get caught out and die or run away) or get messed up from them ocassioanlly. They don't 1vx they cherry pick and run away.

Edit* magplar would be my runner up.

I "main" magsorc, magdk, magblade and magplar in pvp....they're all pretty strong solo except magplar (unless I feel like healbotting the Zerg which is boring so I don't solo on her)

Any tips for open world my magplar would be graciously accepted.

Edziu

Mageblade

Anti_Virus wrote: »

-Igneous shield and Battle roar are also Mdk skills

- Venomous Claw is a great dot only good for PVE
Purges, Shields and Cloak exist in PVP to negate it

- Noxius breath misses half the time in PVP and applies major fracture a debuff that tanks apply most of the time in PVE

- No Stam DK is getting a large shield like that unless you have a high HP 15% of 25K is 3K /2 = 1.5K shield, but then you're just a tank.

- Templars also get about 3K spell resist passive(Balanced Warrior) check yourself.

- DBoS >>> Tank Flight(especially against vampires) and you get 3% WD

- Templars have a block passive( Spear wall) as well check yourself

- Corrosive armor is bugged in PVP it doesn't give you invincibility like it should Armor pen is good I'll give you that

- Yes I can other classes have great passives for stam builds, NBs has amazing ulti gen, armor buffs for using any shadow skill regen, Sorcs get cost reduction etc.

So no Stam DK is not a complete class and Other classes are way better with just Monster sets/ Weapons

Want mobility? Stam sorc
Want high burst? Stam NB/ Stam Templar
Want to be a troll tank/ Cheese with proc sets? Stam DK with its terrible dots for PVP.

lol

what about dk iron skin passive to blocking?

- your dots, work on shield, shield are just melting with dots faster tha without your dots lol, cloak not work always and you can very easily kick nb from cloak by any aoe if you know how to do this, only templar purge is your real problem while also to nb cloak..if not cloak you will just melt nb because of no any good defensive except cloak

- DBoS and take flight...ehheh every stam build is using DBoS since...always? also when it was dealing magic damage stamina build was using this whiel take flight on dk was the only psychical damage ult

and about your "troll tank"...I have neves see better tank than dk on pvp, only healbots was also very hard tank with healing but they are just spamming mindless BoL while this tank dk still have better chance to kill someone than this healbot

want hight burst? nb of course but nb have nothing than hight burst...his survivability cant be compared to any other class...nb will or dodge you hit or just die