READY TO QUIT PVP

Waffennacht

Lmfao, Troll King procs on self.

Lmao! It's one of the best monster helms.

Omg...

FearlessOne_2014

stephbay123 wrote: »

I would start another character but with normal life and other games I'm not going to spend a year completing quests, searching for shards and books and stuff.

Its just annoying that when your 626cp with high damage and penetration an enemy doesn't even flinch when firing arrow after arrow at them then all they do is run to you, keep you out of cloak and then bomb you lol

Only takes me 2 to 3 days max from level 3 to CP on my alts. Some people can do it, with 15 to 20 hours of gameplay time. So if the time investment is a reason you can't make new characters. Then it seem that it's the lack of playtime or lack of experience that's getting you killed. More so then balance issues. So people can do it, with 15 to 20 hours of gameplay time.

Waffennacht

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

I would start another character but with normal life and other games I'm not going to spend a year completing quests, searching for shards and books and stuff.

Its just annoying that when your 626cp with high damage and penetration an enemy doesn't even flinch when firing arrow after arrow at them then all they do is run to you, keep you out of cloak and then bomb you lol

Only takes me 2 to 3 days max from level 3 to CP on my alts. Some people can do it, with 15 to 20 hours of gameplay time. So if the time investment is a reason you can't make new characters. Then it seem that it's the lack of playtime or lack of experience that's getting you killed. More so then balance issues. So people can do it, with 15 to 20 hours of gameplay time.

The problem is with the "firing arrow after arrow" first off... bow for non gank and/or not just for poison injection? Main bar? Not switching to other bar? Also i get the implication there is no animation cancelling?

Those would all be my first guess.

GrigorijMalahevich

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@Aedaryl You are trolling. Get out of here seriously. Troll king is garbage, 1st piece bonus is only 2%, and 2nd piece bonus is only applied to other players.

@stephbay123 I understand you. I am getting ready to use heavy armor, I'm getting very tired of wearing medium armor. I die very easily, my heals are too slow even though I have a lot of points into increased healing with a lot of weapon damage and maximum stamina. At the moment I am running 5 hundings rage, 5 viper, and 2 velidreth. These are my stats when I buff up.


Stamina nightblade is not viable by any means without using the meta. Yes, you can play it "skillfully", and by skillfully I mean have a blast at dying so often and not being able to burst tanky characters, or even scratch their health bar. I die very easily and I despise anyone who has the nerve to say that nightblade is the easiest class to play in the game because of cloak. Even though they are fully aware that this is the most unreliable skill in the game, they will refuse to admit that nightblades are difficult to play, despite that they literally just contradicted themselves. My health bar drops in about 2 seconds, and I get kind of tired of this animation canceling. Chase after one player, keep spamming ambush and he still keeps running away, cannot lay a single hit on him, until he gets behind a corner and bursts me down in a 2 seconds.

@Moglijuana You must be trolling. Cloak has been the most useless ability in this game since it came out, I cannot believe how people think that this ability has ever got any better. This is still unbalanced, I don't know if you realize this but proc sets are still broken, poisons are still broken, tanky builds with endless sustain, instant heals, and too much burst still exist. I honestly don't understand what the point is of being a nightblade. Stamdk hits just as hard as a nightblade with more sustain, more tankiness, more heals. I don't understand how anyone has any right to say that this patch is balanced. Dizzying swings is hitting for 13k in 5 heavy, dawnbreaker says it hits for 14k which by the way hits just as much as the nightblade ultimate does except it cannot be dodged, and my finisher is just as good as a nightblade. I'm sorry but you don't seem very aware of what's going on right now.

Wow, you should get nominated for worst player of the year.



On the subject - you kill = balance, you die = inbalance?

All stam nb do is just stack damage, well some news for you - pvp is not about damage.

Lokey0024

Simple fact is power creep has outpaced medium/light armor for viability. Rearrangements or removal of the CP system would be the best fix.

FearlessOne_2014

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Simple fact is power creep has outpaced medium/light armor for viability. Rearrangements or removal of the CP system would be the best fix.

Nah all ZOS needs to do is remove the passive that made heavy armor the be all and end all. After that PvP would be fine. Heavy armor itself just hands out so much damage in the same package of survivalbility ofc medium and light armor are going to be worst off. When nothing was done to increase their survival.

Almost all of the successful PvPers are wearing at least 5 piece heavy. All of the rest are simply for too good so they can afford to gimp their selves in light or medium. Or they just die million deaths to the players in heavy armor. Or they just gank from stealth.

The CP system can use a bit of a nerf. But the classes them selves are pretty balance outside of some are able to synergize with heavy armor easier. Key issues is the fact that heavy armor is just soo OP AF it just outclasses all of the other armors in PvP when not ganking.

elfantasmo

Why would you consider rerolling as a different class? Just switch to MAGNB they are THE most OP class this META and that is not disputable.

Lokey0024

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Simple fact is power creep has outpaced medium/light armor for viability. Rearrangements or removal of the CP system would be the best fix.

Nah all ZOS needs to do is remove the passive that made heavy armor the be all and end all. After that PvP would be fine. Heavy armor itself just hands out so much damage in the same package of survivalbility ofc medium and light armor are going to be worst off. When nothing was done to increase their survival.

Almost all of the successful PvPers are wearing at least 5 piece heavy. All of the rest are simply for too good so they can afford to gimp their selves in light or medium. Or they just die million deaths to the players in heavy armor. Or they just gank from stealth.

The CP system can use a bit of a nerf. But the classes them selves are pretty balance outside of some are able to synergize with heavy armor easier. Key issues is the fact that heavy armor is just soo OP AF it just outclasses all of the other armors in PvP when not ganking.

This always makes me smile. If you actually follow your line of thinking you would be seeing "heavy armor is weak AF compaired to other armor types, needs buffs" in a month or so.

Now imagine if they rearranged the cp trees to where damage/damage resist are in the same tree. Or damage/sustain. You would have to choose

Does it make any sense that Mighty, the physical poison and disease increase CP, tops out at 25% increase yet with only 27 points into Mighty its 10% increase?

In no CP i would say all armors served their purpose well. None where glaringly OP. Leads me to believe cp is actually whats broken.

crusnik91

@stephbay123

Stam nightblades have not got great survive-ability but good burst damage. Our only advantage was sneak and now that is useless with almost any skill pulling you out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kvkFQJteUA
Shadow Image. Learn to use it. It is arguably the best repositioning skill in the game

stephbay123 wrote: »

A nightblades ultimate is avoidable however eye of whatever is not as all a player needs to do is pop it on and run to a couple of players fighting.

Stamina NB has never been a bad class since 1.7 in fact they have one of the best single target ultimate in the game. Yes, I don't deny EOS has really strong and almost OP AOE damage for an ulti but you need to remember Eye of the storm cost 240 ULTIMATE POINTS compare to the 70 from incap strike. On the other hand incap strike gives you a damage boost (20% or 30%?) and on top of that it CC your opponent & gives them major defile. That's 3 effect from 1 ulti. And btw use shadow image! you can make those EOS junkies feel like an idiot.

Radiant destruction can pop easily for 12k and a few clicks of a button and biting jabs and blazing shield and your gone without even having a chance.

This is just excuses. Magicka templar is not even close to Stam NB if u compare them offensively. Watch my gameplay video and see what I do against beamers & tryhard templars. They don't even stand a chance against a half decent stamNB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbblDQE9y0
100% non-cut pvp action - Homestead Patch

Minalan

crusnik91 wrote: »

@stephbay123

Stam nightblades have not got great survive-ability but good burst damage. Our only advantage was sneak and now that is useless with almost any skill pulling you out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kvkFQJteUA
Shadow Image. Learn to use it. It is arguably the best repositioning skill in the game

stephbay123 wrote: »

A nightblades ultimate is avoidable however eye of whatever is not as all a player needs to do is pop it on and run to a couple of players fighting.

Stamina NB has never been a bad class since 1.7 in fact they have one of the best single target ultimate in the game. Yes, I don't deny EOS has really strong and almost OP AOE damage for an ulti but you need to remember Eye of the storm cost 240 ULTIMATE POINTS compare to the 70 from incap strike. On the other hand incap strike gives you a damage boost (20% or 30%?) and on top of that it CC your opponent & gives them major defile. That's 3 effect from 1 ulti. And btw use shadow image! you can make those EOS junkies feel like an idiot.

Radiant destruction can pop easily for 12k and a few clicks of a button and biting jabs and blazing shield and your gone without even having a chance.

This is just excuses. Magicka templar is not even close to Stam NB if u compare them offensively. Watch my gameplay video and see what I do against beamers & tryhard templars. They don't even stand a chance against a half decent stamNB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbblDQE9y0
100% non-cut pvp action - Homestead Patch

Good god. The things you did to those poor sorcs in the troll tower is illegal in most states

Awesome videos.

You see? This is what @CyrusArya is talking about. Nightblades in competent hands.

Ixtyr

Mains a Nightblade.

Has no major complaints.

Learn to play issue. Listen to @Minalan and @CyrusArya here. My stam build is still perfectly viable in full medium, I get plenty of kills and have great sustain in small group play (large group is trickier, you have to play smart to survive). And MagBlade damage output right now is just absolutely ludicrously high. Nightblades are, overall, in a good spot right now.

Orchish

Stam nightblades being the best stam class for a long time and now they have been brought down a peg in this current meta nightblades are quitting... Pathetic really. Why haven't you adopted the perma roll dodge with Eternal Hunt like many stamblades have? they don't need to be tanky when they can dodge more than half the crap being thrown at them.

Kidz_BeAstx

Equip heavy armor and sword and board. Problem solved. It's not just you mate, but every class is struggling right now in medium/light armor. Do that, and you will feel so much better.

Kidz_BeAstx

@Ixtyr How is it more difficult to stay alive in large group play, but easier in small group play? Does the 30+ people that your with just stand there light attack enemies and not have 2 healers in a group that make up a huge difference? LOL LOGIC IN THAT?

Killset

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

This statement tells me everything I need to know about you. if you think this patch is even remotely balanced then you are simply another person blowing up the forums with their own agenda. Probably sorc or mDK I would guess. You saying " I know this nightblade and he does fine" is hilarious. So what. I know this pet sorc and he is god uncontested in duels. Nerf sorcs. How's that?

Sorc damage is off the charts right now, mDK damage is off the charts right now, Stamplar damage is off the charts right now. Ultis have completely spun out of control. I love my nightblade but I'm here to tell you my mDK is light years better.
Aside from ganking (which about any class can do) Nightblades are outclassed in damage and aren't even on the same planet in heals and survivability. Cloak is a freaking joke. Since it's obvious you don't play a nighblade I'll just take it for granted you pretty much have no idea what you are talking about.

And before you spout more of your l2p nonsense I've played a nighblade since launch. He is a legate and all I have done
with him is duel and small scale. Pretty much everyone I know who duels has dropped the class like a bad habit. I know people say you can't use duels as a litmus test for a class. I say what better way do we have? Especially with battlegrounds right around the corner. I'm going to laugh when sorcs occupy leaderboard spots at a 10 to 1 ratio over nighblades and it's there for everyone to see. L2p... whatever dude.

Joy_Division

crusnik91 wrote: »

@stephbay123

Stam nightblades have not got great survive-ability but good burst damage. Our only advantage was sneak and now that is useless with almost any skill pulling you out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kvkFQJteUA
Shadow Image. Learn to use it. It is arguably the best repositioning skill in the game

stephbay123 wrote: »

A nightblades ultimate is avoidable however eye of whatever is not as all a player needs to do is pop it on and run to a couple of players fighting.

Stamina NB has never been a bad class since 1.7 in fact they have one of the best single target ultimate in the game. Yes, I don't deny EOS has really strong and almost OP AOE damage for an ulti but you need to remember Eye of the storm cost 240 ULTIMATE POINTS compare to the 70 from incap strike. On the other hand incap strike gives you a damage boost (20% or 30%?) and on top of that it CC your opponent & gives them major defile. That's 3 effect from 1 ulti. And btw use shadow image! you can make those EOS junkies feel like an idiot.

Radiant destruction can pop easily for 12k and a few clicks of a button and biting jabs and blazing shield and your gone without even having a chance.

This is just excuses. Magicka templar is not even close to Stam NB if u compare them offensively. Watch my gameplay video and see what I do against beamers & tryhard templars. They don't even stand a chance against a half decent stamNB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbblDQE9y0
100% non-cut pvp action - Homestead Patch

Ironic that in your second video, the very first clip showed a NB sucessffully cloaking away when near death with all these NBs insisting that it's useless and broke.

It's like they believe they should always and no matter what escape when they press that button.

Lokey0024

Killset wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

This statement tells me everything I need to know about you. if you think this patch is even remotely balanced then you are simply another person blowing up the forums with their own agenda. Probably sorc or mDK I would guess. You saying " I know this nightblade and he does fine" is hilarious. So what. I know this pet sorc and he is god uncontested in duels. Nerf sorcs. How's that?

Sorc damage is off the charts right now, mDK damage is off the charts right now, Stamplar damage is off the charts right now. Ultis have completely spun out of control. I love my nightblade but I'm here to tell you my mDK is light years better.
Aside from ganking (which about any class can do) Nightblades are outclassed in damage and aren't even on the same planet in heals and survivability. Cloak is a freaking joke. Since it's obvious you don't play a nighblade I'll just take it for granted you pretty much have no idea what you are talking about.

And before you spout more of your l2p nonsense I've played a nighblade since launch. He is a legate and all I have done
with him is duel and small scale. Pretty much everyone I know who duels has dropped the class like a bad habit. I know people say you can't use duels as a litmus test for a class. I say what better way do we have? Especially with battlegrounds right around the corner. I'm going to laugh when sorcs occupy leaderboard spots at a 10 to 1 ratio over nighblades and it's there for everyone to see. L2p... whatever dude.

@Killset i agree sorc is top of the food chain right now, and fighting 2 of them in a cp zone is basically suicide, nightblades arent to far behind. In an optimal setting with no lag a stamblade has the skillset to beat 7 out of 8 classes ( a mag sorc would really have to screw up to get beat right now). Only Problems i see are lag related, mostly because a decent connection isnt required to log in. I dont know how many times ive been behind someone and still get dizzy swing stuffed or cloak broken 2 seconds in by a light attack. Cant really base fixes on lag dependant situations.

Knootewoot

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I understand the feeling . I'm just too stubborn to quit .

Yeah. As someone once told me why we keep playing it.. we must be masochists. We seem to be trying to get into a situation which causes suffering or great difficulty.

I am not ready to quit yet. But i am on the egde. I will swap between this game and BF1/Battlefront.

thankyourat

I think all the nightblade actually did quit. It took me 2 days to do my kill enemy nightblades quest. I even do the DK one faster now. I haven't been ganked in a couple days either

technohic

thankyourat wrote: »

I think all the nightblade actually did quit. It took me 2 days to do my kill enemy nightblades quest. I even do the DK one faster now. I haven't been ganked in a couple days either

Whats funny to me is; I seem to kill NBs more when on my NB than my Templar. Although when I do find one on the temp; I do spam a conal attack at them to try to keep them from running away and I think I am more annoying. Just on the NB; I am starting to see when an ally looks like a good target and I watch for the enemy NB to take its shot.

Killset

@Joy_Division So seeing a clip of a successful cloak is all that is required for you to think it's not broken lol? I feel like Templars expect their Breath of Life to work when they press the button. I bet Sorcs expect their shields to work when they press the button.

Imagine everything in the game that prevents a nightblade from cloaking now also prevented Hardened ward, Healing ward, Annulment, Breath of Life and any form of Major Mending. Welcome to the Nightblade class. Cloak is our only way to escape the insane amount of damage in PvP. And it's only for 3 seconds at a time. Now we can't even Vigor in cloak because it breaks stealth.

Nutshotz

Right now non cp is the only thing close to balanced. As for sNB I don't know your gear or your playstyle so I can't comment on that, but on my sNB which I told myself I'd never run proc sets on him, he runs 5 clever, 5 viper, 2 vele or selene. Yes I die and yes I can kill. Now on my mNB same thing. I run 1 proc set. Skoria with clever and elegant.

Cloak is far from being fixed. It worked on homestead pts but for some odd reason it's back to being broken again.

Now as for the ppl who can tank/heal and damage. They are annoying but I give them props for their builds. I haven't worked out my kinks yet for my stam dk so I can't comment on that. Now stam sorcs. Very fun class and very survivable. I believe my stats are, 28k HP, 30k stam, 14k magicka, no resources what's so ever. 2.6k wpn dmg unbuffed. I know I have to swap out one set for another to get more stam. 30k is borderline.

Stam and magicka classes need some intense work to them before morrowind. As well as going thru each class and actually spending time on the skills.

hmsdragonfly

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@Aedaryl You are trolling. Get out of here seriously. Troll king is garbage, 1st piece bonus is only 2%, and 2nd piece bonus is only applied to other players.

This is trolling right?
Troll King does apply to yourself, and it's strong af.

Low on health. Click Rally/Vigor. Tada, full health.

DaveMoeDee

stephbay123 wrote: »

I would start another character but with normal life and other games I'm not going to spend a year completing quests, searching for shards and books and stuff.

Its just annoying that when your 626cp with high damage and penetration an enemy doesn't even flinch when firing arrow after arrow at them then all they do is run to you, keep you out of cloak and then bomb you lol

It doesn't take that long to level a character. Esp if you are on PC and know where are the shards are through addons.

It is also fun trying each class.

Still, I get why someone who just wants PvP would have issues with the approach an RPG takes with all the narrative and character development.

DaveMoeDee

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

I would start another character but with normal life and other games I'm not going to spend a year completing quests, searching for shards and books and stuff.

Its just annoying that when your 626cp with high damage and penetration an enemy doesn't even flinch when firing arrow after arrow at them then all they do is run to you, keep you out of cloak and then bomb you lol

Only takes me 2 to 3 days max from level 3 to CP on my alts. Some people can do it, with 15 to 20 hours of gameplay time. So if the time investment is a reason you can't make new characters. Then it seem that it's the lack of playtime or lack of experience that's getting you killed. More so then balance issues. So people can do it, with 15 to 20 hours of gameplay time.

If he has 626cp and is focused on PvP, it seems like he might have a lot of experience.

hmsdragonfly

@crusnik91 don't you dare talking **** about Big Boss. He is the most powerful mortal in Tamriel.

xD

olsborg

The main problem for stamblades. Medium armor is ***, and if you run it you will die. NB has no boost to healing and if you take focued aggro (in medium armor) you will die.

Lord-Otto

Killset wrote: »

@Joy_Division So seeing a clip of a successful cloak is all that is required for you to think it's not broken lol? I feel like Templars expect their Breath of Life to work when they press the button. I bet Sorcs expect their shields to work when they press the button.

Imagine everything in the game that prevents a nightblade from cloaking now also prevented Hardened ward, Healing ward, Annulment, Breath of Life and any form of Major Mending. Welcome to the Nightblade class. Cloak is our only way to escape the insane amount of damage in PvP. And it's only for 3 seconds at a time. Now we can't even Vigor in cloak because it breaks stealth.

Well, I don't expect my Streak to work, since it has been moody since 1.6. That it now occassionally roots me? Lol, I am not surprised.

Joy_Division

Killset wrote: »

@Joy_Division So seeing a clip of a successful cloak is all that is required for you to think it's not broken lol? I feel like Templars expect their Breath of Life to work when they press the button. I bet Sorcs expect their shields to work when they press the button.

Imagine everything in the game that prevents a nightblade from cloaking now also prevented Hardened ward, Healing ward, Annulment, Breath of Life and any form of Major Mending. Welcome to the Nightblade class. Cloak is our only way to escape the insane amount of damage in PvP. And it's only for 3 seconds at a time. Now we can't even Vigor in cloak because it breaks stealth.

Nope. The better NBs I have fought don't feel it is useless, put it on their bar, and far more often than not employ the skill to successfully re-position or gain LOS and escape. Just like in the video; happens every night I play. Sometimes I do use one of the game's many counter to cloak and happen to find them (from which I have occasionally received salty whispers and being accused of cheating, but that's besides the point). Just because I find a cloaked NB doesn't mean the skill is useless, broken, or I am cheating. When I made my own NB, I asked several in game whether or not I should bother using the skill because of what is said on these forums and all of them resoundingly said yes. Sometimes when you press the button, your opponents do things to prevent an escape via cloak

I do not deny in the past the skill was terribly buggy, I do not deny there are still times when the skill doesn't work. Perhaps as often as my own Toppling charge. So I am quite experienced with relying on buggy skills thank you. Even at the height of templar whining on these forums, charge worked far more often than it didn't and I still found it a highly effective skill. But human nature is to remember the few times it got us killed and not the many many times it worked just fine. And, sorcs do kind of expect streak to work when they press the button thanks, but you don't see me on these forums whining how without consistent access to that skill the class is defenseless, broken, etc.

What I object to most, however, is the narratives that cloak somehow represents a NBs "only" means of escape or defense and because the skill is "broken," it should be buffed somehow to compensate. The better NBs I fight use cloak either as a respostion tactic or as a last defensive resort because they rely on better defenses, namely harness magicka, healing ward (for mNBs), evasion, major expeidtion, multiple HoTs, a very strong root, unblockable CC/debuff, Shuffle, dodge [for Stam NBs), etc. Cloak is not your only means to escape the insane amount of damage and I think because some NBs feel it is and thus place unrealistic expectations upon it is why they think it is broken. I'm all for fixing skills. Buffing them because of a mistaken impression that they are "uesless" and somehow cloak represents a NBs "only" means of defense is not the same thing.

Grim13

Valera Progib wrote: »

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@Aedaryl You are trolling. Get out of here seriously. Troll king is garbage, 1st piece bonus is only 2%, and 2nd piece bonus is only applied to other players.

@stephbay123 I understand you. I am getting ready to use heavy armor, I'm getting very tired of wearing medium armor. I die very easily, my heals are too slow even though I have a lot of points into increased healing with a lot of weapon damage and maximum stamina. At the moment I am running 5 hundings rage, 5 viper, and 2 velidreth. These are my stats when I buff up.


Stamina nightblade is not viable by any means without using the meta. Yes, you can play it "skillfully", and by skillfully I mean have a blast at dying so often and not being able to burst tanky characters, or even scratch their health bar. I die very easily and I despise anyone who has the nerve to say that nightblade is the easiest class to play in the game because of cloak. Even though they are fully aware that this is the most unreliable skill in the game, they will refuse to admit that nightblades are difficult to play, despite that they literally just contradicted themselves. My health bar drops in about 2 seconds, and I get kind of tired of this animation canceling. Chase after one player, keep spamming ambush and he still keeps running away, cannot lay a single hit on him, until he gets behind a corner and bursts me down in a 2 seconds.

@Moglijuana You must be trolling. Cloak has been the most useless ability in this game since it came out, I cannot believe how people think that this ability has ever got any better. This is still unbalanced, I don't know if you realize this but proc sets are still broken, poisons are still broken, tanky builds with endless sustain, instant heals, and too much burst still exist. I honestly don't understand what the point is of being a nightblade. Stamdk hits just as hard as a nightblade with more sustain, more tankiness, more heals. I don't understand how anyone has any right to say that this patch is balanced. Dizzying swings is hitting for 13k in 5 heavy, dawnbreaker says it hits for 14k which by the way hits just as much as the nightblade ultimate does except it cannot be dodged, and my finisher is just as good as a nightblade. I'm sorry but you don't seem very aware of what's going on right now.

Wow, you should get nominated for worst player of the year.



On the subject - you kill = balance, you die = inbalance?

All stam nb do is just stack damage, well some news for you - pvp is not about damage.

Exactly!

PvP is about hugs!

Wonderful, warm hugs!