READY TO QUIT PVP

stephbay123

I have been playing pvp for a few years as a nightblade and I am now ready for quitting PVP.

The difference in classes now is just too much and unless you are the right class you really don't have a hope in PVP unless you want to gank and if 1v1.

Dragonknights and Templars who have constant shield, constant high damage, being able to heal to full health in an instant constantly is too much and is no longer fun to play. Stam nightblades have not got great survive-ability but good burst damage. Our only advantage was sneak and now that is useless with almost any skill pulling you out of it. Others should be great at one thing but then disadvantaged at another, if they want to tank great but then they should not be able to continue the fight and kill countless players over and over, if they want high damage great but again they shouldn't be able to constantly heal to full health over and over again in the same fight . A nightblades ultimate is avoidable however eye of whatever is not as all a player needs to do is pop it on and run to a couple of players fighting. Radiant destruction can pop easily for 12k and a few clicks of a button and biting jabs and blazing shield and your gone without even having a chance.

I know I can change class but there is no way I am going to go through all the quests and farming books to level a new character so unless there is more of a balance again Im out of PVP

HoolDog

I Feel your pain!!!

Tried a couple of times to pvp on my stamblade since patch and it's rough. Seems so hard to stay alive. (i run 2800 ish crit resist before anyone gets clever lol)

Luckily enough I was dabbling with my magic dragon knight for a few months before.

Best option is to have alts... I have roughly one of each class magic and stamina. so when the game shifts you have something to play until the nerf hammers fall again.

Grebcol

Yeah its a pain at the moment as nightblade. It seems really everything pulling you out sneak/stealth. Then there are even potions which kills an entire defense of a class. When u get focused you are a sitting duck mostly

Solariken

I'm sorry to hear you are having such a rough time. Don't give up on it, just try some different build types and see if there are other playstyles you like. Nightblades aren't as relatively OP now as they used to be so you have to build for more balance if you want to survive.

It's true that building for huge burst and relying on Cloak means you are going to get owned often, especially when outnumbered. The assassin playstyle can be fun but is really difficult to pull off consistently, especially with the ridiculous instant heals that everyone has. Drop vampirism - with the amount of fire damage and Dawnbreakers out there you aren't doing yourself any favors with vampirism. Use Cloak for utility if you want but forget about it for escape.

You could also try moving to Azura's Star - I personally feel that PvP is vastly more balanced without CP.

Aedaryl

You don't play your nightblade right in this meta.

Put an heavy armor, troll king and be redguard. Now you are the king of cyrodil.

Rohamad_Ali

I understand the feeling . I'm just too stubborn to quit .

CyrusArya

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

stephbay123

I would start another character but with normal life and other games I'm not going to spend a year completing quests, searching for shards and books and stuff.

Its just annoying that when your 626cp with high damage and penetration an enemy doesn't even flinch when firing arrow after arrow at them then all they do is run to you, keep you out of cloak and then bomb you lol

stephbay123

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

Eh you for real?

10 players to try and take down 1 player? it would be fine if it just took a long time however that 1 dragonknight or templar is not just blocking, they are killing players over and over. Balance is not having a tank, damage dealer and healer in one player

Gilvoth

stephbay123 wrote: »

I have been playing pvp for a few years as a nightblade and I am now ready for quitting PVP.

The difference in classes now is just too much and unless you are the right class you really don't have a hope in PVP unless you want to gank and if 1v1.

Dragonknights and Templars who have constant shield, constant high damage, being able to heal to full health in an instant constantly is too much and is no longer fun to play. Stam nightblades have not got great survive-ability but good burst damage. Our only advantage was sneak and now that is useless with almost any skill pulling you out of it. Others should be great at one thing but then disadvantaged at another, if they want to tank great but then they should not be able to continue the fight and kill countless players over and over, if they want high damage great but again they shouldn't be able to constantly heal to full health over and over again in the same fight . A nightblades ultimate is avoidable however eye of whatever is not as all a player needs to do is pop it on and run to a couple of players fighting. Radiant destruction can pop easily for 12k and a few clicks of a button and biting jabs and blazing shield and your gone without even having a chance.

I know I can change class but there is no way I am going to go through all the quests and farming books to level a new character so unless there is more of a balance again Im out of PVP

you are absolutely correct.
well said.
the more damage you do the less you should be able to survive. thats how it is suppose to be but i dont see that in eso and i think its unfair and wrong.

CyrusArya

stephbay123 wrote: »

Eh you for real?

10 players to try and take down 1 player? it would be fine if it just took a long time however that 1 dragonknight or templar is not just blocking, they are killing players over and over. Balance is not having a tank, damage dealer and healer in one player

Yeah, I am. A player that takes 10 people a significant amount of time to bring down will not have the capabilities to kill anyone unless those 10 are potatoes. Like I said, learn to play issue.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you are absolutely correct.
well said.
the more damage you do the less you should be able to survive. thats how it is suppose to be but i dont see that in eso and i think its unfair and wrong.

This already is the case. The more you spec into damage, the more you sacrifice survivability. Just because damage builds are able to survive through skillful use of abilities and terrain doesn't mean the sacrifice doesn't exist.

Minalan

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

You're wasting your time my friend. After months of proc set one-button easy-mode murder sprees, nightblades need to work for their kills now.

Of course you're going to get these kind of tears and frustration on the forums. This is just one of many posts begging for 'major buffs' after just one change. Now that their armor can't fight all of their battles for them, the game is broken. Now that they can't land 20K+ on a *** light attack, the game is broken. Now that they can't hit once from stealth and do more damage than anyone has health, the game is broken.

They'll reroll. Or adapt. Last patch you couldn't take three steps in Cyrodiil without revealing another hidden ganker, so maybe that's a good thing?

Moglijuana

I feel like cloak works much better than last patch. Combined with the reduced time it takes to get back into stealth, my NB has already had some sweet 1vX's. This patch has felt the most balanced the game has been in a while. Not perfect, but definitely better.

Feedinginsanity

@Aedaryl You are trolling. Get out of here seriously. Troll king is garbage, 1st piece bonus is only 2%, and 2nd piece bonus is only applied to other players.

@stephbay123 I understand you. I am getting ready to use heavy armor, I'm getting very tired of wearing medium armor. I die very easily, my heals are too slow even though I have a lot of points into increased healing with a lot of weapon damage and maximum stamina. At the moment I am running 5 hundings rage, 5 viper, and 2 velidreth. These are my stats when I buff up.


Stamina nightblade is not viable by any means without using the meta. Yes, you can play it "skillfully", and by skillfully I mean have a blast at dying so often and not being able to burst tanky characters, or even scratch their health bar. I die very easily and I despise anyone who has the nerve to say that nightblade is the easiest class to play in the game because of cloak. Even though they are fully aware that this is the most unreliable skill in the game, they will refuse to admit that nightblades are difficult to play, despite that they literally just contradicted themselves. My health bar drops in about 2 seconds, and I get kind of tired of this animation canceling. Chase after one player, keep spamming ambush and he still keeps running away, cannot lay a single hit on him, until he gets behind a corner and bursts me down in a 2 seconds.

@Moglijuana You must be trolling. Cloak has been the most useless ability in this game since it came out, I cannot believe how people think that this ability has ever got any better. This is still unbalanced, I don't know if you realize this but proc sets are still broken, poisons are still broken, tanky builds with endless sustain, instant heals, and too much burst still exist. I honestly don't understand what the point is of being a nightblade. Stamdk hits just as hard as a nightblade with more sustain, more tankiness, more heals. I don't understand how anyone has any right to say that this patch is balanced. Dizzying swings is hitting for 13k in 5 heavy, dawnbreaker says it hits for 14k which by the way hits just as much as the nightblade ultimate does except it cannot be dodged, and my finisher is just as good as a nightblade. I'm sorry but you don't seem very aware of what's going on right now.

Feedinginsanity

There is no point in being a nightblade in this game anymore. They lack everything except damage which is absolutely unacceptable. My main character is a nightblade and every time I play it, I just feel a lot of pain and anguish. Maybe class changes will come out next update, if that happens then I will no longer be a nightblade. I would probably make it a stamsorc or stamdk.

NBrookus

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@Aedaryl You are trolling. Get out of here seriously. Troll king is garbage, 1st piece bonus is only 2%, and 2nd piece bonus is only applied to other players.

You're wrong. Troll King 2 piece bonus applies to yourself AND allies -- just like Transmutation or Sanctuary or the other healing sets. It's the new Malubeth.

stephbay123

CyrusArya wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

Eh you for real?

10 players to try and take down 1 player? it would be fine if it just took a long time however that 1 dragonknight or templar is not just blocking, they are killing players over and over. Balance is not having a tank, damage dealer and healer in one player

Yeah, I am. A player that takes 10 people a significant amount of time to bring down will not have the capabilities to kill anyone unless those 10 are potatoes. Like I said, learn to play issue.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you are absolutely correct.
well said.
the more damage you do the less you should be able to survive. thats how it is suppose to be but i dont see that in eso and i think its unfair and wrong.

This already is the case. The more you spec into damage, the more you sacrifice survivability. Just because damage builds are able to survive through skillful use of abilities and terrain doesn't mean the sacrifice doesn't exist.

lmao

Minalan wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

You're wasting your time my friend. After months of proc set one-button easy-mode murder sprees, nightblades need to work for their kills now.

Of course you're going to get these kind of tears and frustration on the forums. This is just one of many posts begging for 'major buffs' after just one change. Now that their armor can't fight all of their battles for them, the game is broken. Now that they can't land 20K+ on a *** light attack, the game is broken. Now that they can't hit once from stealth and do more damage than anyone has health, the game is broken.

They'll reroll. Or adapt. Last patch you couldn't take three steps in Cyrodiil without revealing another hidden ganker, so maybe that's a good thing?

Please try and understand the point -and by the way I do not use any procs

I understand that as a nightblade I can be easily killed however no way should a player be able to take on 10 players and be a tank, healer and damage dealer in one and constantly kill, heal to full health constantly and tank constantly. Also should not be an ultimate to pop and then just run through players to kill them without even hitting them.

bubbygink

OP, are you playing stamina or magicka nightblade? You could always switch from one to the other without having to grind up a new character. If you are already using a magblade or have any desire to switch to one I'd be happy to help you out with the a setup that I think works in this meta. I do pretty well with mine in open world and in duels.

If you have any interest in magblade here is a thread with a lot of good discussion about magblade setups (mostly light armor destro/restro but a little heavy armor discussion in there too): https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323825/theorycrafting-for-light-armor-magicka-nightblade-homestead-update/p1

Feedinginsanity

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

Dude I think there is actually something wrong with you. I bet you are doing this on purpose to bait the OP. This patch is not balanced. Look up Despotic on youtube and you will find him with like 5 nightblades on him at once, all with proc sets and poisons, yet it doesn't even affect his health bar. He 1vxes all the time on his stamdk and outheals everything, he has 600 recovery yet his resources are always at like 80-90%. When he gets on his nightblade, he just ends up running around a tree for like 10 minutes and then he couldn't really kill them which is pathetic. I think even skilled players can just not function with this class at all. It lacks everything except damage. I don't know why I would want to play a squishy character and die in 2 seconds "glass cannon", meanwhile I can play a stamdk with the same amount of damage as a nightblade, but aside from that I can also outperform a nightblade and do pretty much everything better.

Feedinginsanity

@NBrookus I hope you know that Malubeth practically heals for 11k non crit and all troll king does is give you 1400 health recovery. Stuff recovers every 2 seconds. "It's the new malubeth", Nothing will ever be stronger than malubeth with or without crits.

magictucktuck

I mained a stamblade for the most part since launch. And I feel your pain, I don't think it's to bad but I do get frustrated. I recently quit playing him not because of cyrodiil but because they will be useless come battlegrounds, so I feel it's a waste of time to keep playing him

NBrookus

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@NBrookus I hope you know that Malubeth practically heals for 11k non crit and all troll king does is give you 1400 health recovery. Stuff recovers every 2 seconds. "It's the new malubeth", Nothing will ever be stronger than malubeth with or without crits.

You didn't even know how Troll King worked, but now you want to lecture on it's effectiveness? Okay.

Minalan

stephbay123 wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

Eh you for real?

10 players to try and take down 1 player? it would be fine if it just took a long time however that 1 dragonknight or templar is not just blocking, they are killing players over and over. Balance is not having a tank, damage dealer and healer in one player

Yeah, I am. A player that takes 10 people a significant amount of time to bring down will not have the capabilities to kill anyone unless those 10 are potatoes. Like I said, learn to play issue.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you are absolutely correct.
well said.
the more damage you do the less you should be able to survive. thats how it is suppose to be but i dont see that in eso and i think its unfair and wrong.

This already is the case. The more you spec into damage, the more you sacrifice survivability. Just because damage builds are able to survive through skillful use of abilities and terrain doesn't mean the sacrifice doesn't exist.

lmao

Minalan wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

The game is the closest to balanced that I've seen any time since I started playing in 1.6, in regards to the classes. If players that complain about balance spent half the time improving their play that they do complaining, well, they wouldn't have as much to complain about.

All I know is, I play with nightblades on the daily who are killin it, both stamina and magicka. So with that being the case, I can safely chock up all the nightblade tears as l2p issues.

You're wasting your time my friend. After months of proc set one-button easy-mode murder sprees, nightblades need to work for their kills now.

Of course you're going to get these kind of tears and frustration on the forums. This is just one of many posts begging for 'major buffs' after just one change. Now that their armor can't fight all of their battles for them, the game is broken. Now that they can't land 20K+ on a *** light attack, the game is broken. Now that they can't hit once from stealth and do more damage than anyone has health, the game is broken.

They'll reroll. Or adapt. Last patch you couldn't take three steps in Cyrodiil without revealing another hidden ganker, so maybe that's a good thing?

Please try and understand the point -and by the way I do not use any procs

I understand that as a nightblade I can be easily killed however no way should a player be able to take on 10 players and be a tank, healer and damage dealer in one and constantly kill, heal to full health constantly and tank constantly. Also should not be an ultimate to pop and then just run through players to kill them without even hitting them.

Right. I understand. NOBODY on these forums ever used a proc set nightblade. Yet Cyrodiil was flooded with them, and I never fought one during One Tamriel that didn't run one to three of them.

To be fair, I'm 100% with you on the tank builds. I thought it would get better when everyone wouldnt have major mending up 24/7 from pots. Now I hear troll king is the new cancer.

Minalan

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@NBrookus I hope you know that Malubeth practically heals for 11k non crit and all troll king does is give you 1400 health recovery. Stuff recovers every 2 seconds. "It's the new malubeth", Nothing will ever be stronger than malubeth with or without crits.

They supposedly fixed that a few weeks ago..

out51d3r

stephbay123 wrote: »

Please try and understand the point -and by the way I do not use any procs

Despite the fact that proc sets are skill-less crap, you should be using them. At least use Viper. It's stats are all relevant and the proc is non-random.

If you don't use proc sets, you are leaving power on the table. It's no surprise you find nightblades weak without them. People built themselves to be tanky enough to survive the proc burst. As a result, if you -don't- use the proc burst, people are way too hard to kill.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

NBrookus wrote: »

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

@NBrookus I hope you know that Malubeth practically heals for 11k non crit and all troll king does is give you 1400 health recovery. Stuff recovers every 2 seconds. "It's the new malubeth", Nothing will ever be stronger than malubeth with or without crits.

You didn't even know how Troll King worked, but now you want to lecture on it's effectiveness? Okay.

Don't listen to him. The only Troll King around here is @Feedinginsanity. The guy has a build with 11k in each resist so he can't survive and somehow managed to get to end game with under 40k in stamina while doing only 4K weapon damage. His build should be called the crit noodle.

Sandman929

The nightblade class still has the best gap closer and high damage spammable DPS even if you don't fully invest in burst. I agree with what others have said in this thread, you've got to mix it up with the build if you don't want to gank on a NB. Gankers are having a rough go with all the detection, no doubt, but NB's don't absolutely have to be gankers.

Sureshawt

Try the non-CP campaign and use poisons (the one that increase magic/stamina costs). The pain is eased considerably and the game overall feels more balanced.

However, realize that it goes both ways. The lack of CP means I generally pay for any mistakes I make as well. Whereas CP often allowed me to overcome any mistakes because of much better survivability and sustain.

I never realized just how much sloppy play CP allowed until the non-CP event. Thus I moved to over to non-CP after the event. Much more skillful and balanced game play overall on non-CP.

RinaldoGandolphi

Folks need to stop saying the game is balanced because it isn't. its not even close.

A Stam Sorc can run around with 700 regen and have infinite resources due to Dark Deal
Mag Sorcs just wear Amberplasm + Stam Regen Mundas Stone and spam Dark Conversion for infinite resources

Every Mag Sorc can infinite resources for that matter, im like 100 stam recovery away(will tweak build tonight) to have enough stam to always break free perpetually, no need to block or roll with 12-13k wards. Add in Pirate Skeelton, its broken.

Templars in 5 Reactive 5 Lich 2 Malabeth with a friend, especially using the Allaince War skill guard simply can not be kiled by anything outside of Negate spam and root spam...you won't kill them, even shooting them with 3 siege weapons at the same time don't make a dent....good luck with that in Battlegrounds if left as is.

there are Nightblade builds that can insta-kill you. You literally have no reaction time...they press the button your dead...they can hit for 35k or more instant damage, no one outside a tank survives....which is why there is so many tanks in PVP.

Root spam is broken, just rooting people repeadlty without cooldown

Look the game is fun, lots of great people in this game, but its not even close to balanced.

rimmidimdim

In Azuras star. The game is way more balanced. The OP should try there. Some people say it's more balanced now in CP than ever. I say bull. Certain builds are tanky dumb. Twenty people hitting one guy for five mins is not good for any game. I just ignore those trolls.

I'm a NB. I feel I do fine in Trueflame. So I'll tell you how I run. I use heavy armor. I heavy attack alot and at end of heavy attack I use skill /spamable. I use troll King, but if you use a set like seventh legion you could use blood spawn or something else. Other set use spriggans or I like shield breaker. I don't run siphoning attacks but you definitely could to keep resources up.

NB is a week class. But take time reading all the passives we get, and make a heavy armor build around it and keep those buffs up. NB passives are quite powerful. Use them and understand what sets help and synergize with them. And keep self healing. Lots of ways to do that. The mirage skill might be best defensive skill in game. Cheap, last long, raise both resistances, and dodge. Not many NB's use this skill. I don't know why. Oh and it keeps assassin passives active if you don't have another assassin ability on bar.

Keep trying OP. NB is the most versatile class by a mile in this game. A long mile. Cheers and ty.

Sureshawt

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Folks need to stop saying the game is balanced because it isn't. its not even close.

A Stam Sorc can run around with 700 regen and have infinite resources due to Dark Deal
Mag Sorcs just wear Amberplasm + Stam Regen Mundas Stone and spam Dark Conversion for infinite resources

Every Mag Sorc can infinite resources for that matter, im like 100 stam recovery away(will tweak build tonight) to have enough stam to always break free perpetually, no need to block or roll with 12-13k wards. Add in Pirate Skeelton, its broken.

Templars in 5 Reactive 5 Lich 2 Malabeth with a friend, especially using the Allaince War skill guard simply can not be kiled by anything outside of Negate spam and root spam...you won't kill them, even shooting them with 3 siege weapons at the same time don't make a dent....good luck with that in Battlegrounds if left as is.

there are Nightblade builds that can insta-kill you. You literally have no reaction time...they press the button your dead...they can hit for 35k or more instant damage, no one outside a tank survives....which is why there is so many tanks in PVP.

Root spam is broken, just rooting people repeadlty without cooldown

Look the game is fun, lots of great people in this game, but its not even close to balanced.

I said 'more balanced' and that of course is my opinion relative to the CP campaign. Never said the game is balanced, which truthfully is unattainable as it mostly driven by subjective opinion.

The only way to have true balance is to have everyone use same class with the exact same skills etc.

Try to actually take the time and evaluate a comment in context next time...