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How to counter 2 tanky heal templar guard on each other

brandishsteel
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Yesterday i saw 2 Templar, 1 was guarding another.

They both tanky Templar, the one with guard was extremely tanky and he used hybrid healing build (BOL + vigor), and his friend was built for healing. They both have at least 40k health and they throw shards and other support skills to each other so no matter how many poisons we use , the 20 men zerg couldn't kill these two, they have plenty of stam and even with dk talon + sorc negate combo they just dodge roll out easily. If anyone put the resource poison on them they will purge it immediately. One of them was using the Templar AOE magickasteal skill, they have crazy magicka return with the group aoe shards.

They heal everyone nearby if u choose to ignore them, so if u don't kill these 2 Templars u can't kill anyone else nearby, even if a zerg decide to hit a nearby person at same time it is 10 times difficult cos these 2 Templars spam bol and purge on them.

We also tried use negate + fear to separate them away from the guard beam range, but that doesn't work cos they throw too much shards and can dodge roll back immediately.

So can someone tell me whats the counter ? Please don't say use resource poison or CC them out of stam, and it is impossible to kill them by focusing fire on the guard tank cos his friend were healing 20k BOL on him.
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  • Koolio
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    Siege. Meat bag+oil catapult+lightning ballista. If needed coldfire
  • brandishsteel
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    Koolio wrote: »
    Siege. Meat bag+oil catapult+lightning ballista. If needed coldfire

    We tried that, if they have allies nearby these allies will kill the Siege operator, and this 2 Templars will heal their allies.
    If no allies nearby they walk close to your siege weapon and move circle around it so they will not get hit, they purge every debuff on them
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    There is only one way to deal with them

    Beat on them for awhile till you think their Stam is maybe pressured a bit then

    Negate magic then and spam Encase to hold them inside the Negate while your friends kill them

    It's really the only chance you have..if this makes it to Battlegrounds you will need 1-2 mag/Stam Sorcs in your group with Negate and hopefully root spam to have any chance at all of killing these kinds guys


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  • ku5h
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    Tanky templar with 40k HP and good sustain casting 20k BOLs? I find that extremely hard to belive.
  • brandishsteel
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    ku5h wrote: »
    Tanky templar with 40k HP and good sustain casting 20k BOLs? I find that extremely hard to belive.

    ye i know its kinda hard to believe , u have to go to cyro and see it by yourself
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  • thankyourat
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    The common answer is ignore them.
    ku5h wrote: »
    Tanky templar with 40k HP and good sustain casting 20k BOLs? I find that extremely hard to belive.

    Yes 40k health is a little extreme, but 30k health and good sustain with huge BoL tics is completely doable, and they are every where. And really difficult to kill because of troll heavy armor sets and how strong block is
    Edited by thankyourat on 9 March 2017 07:31
  • WhiteMage
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    Must be in CP.
    The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?
  • phillyproduct
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    WhiteMage wrote: »
    Must be in CP.

    Truth last week opened my eyes cp pvp is cancerous.

    Wish more people would play on azure star
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Walk away .


    I don't know but I helped do it twice tonight . I can't tell you what I did because I was just face rolling but it worked . I hadn't pvpd in a few days so I did it as a warm up . There were other people but I just spammed fear , crippling grasp , Assasins will and eye of the storm fire staff till they finally died . I was just animation canceling as fast as I could to keep the DPS constant like on a trial boss .
    Edited by Rohamad_Ali on 9 March 2017 08:30
  • Kidz_BeAstx
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    @phillyproduct Are you in a guild, can't remember the name of it, but the guildmaster's name is Cptmatern on PS4 NA?
  • phillyproduct
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    @phillyproduct Are you in a guild, can't remember the name of it, but the guildmaster's name is Cptmatern on PS4 NA?

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  • Minalan
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    This is ZOS balance.

    Luckily those Templars aren't killing anyone either.
  • paulsimonps
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    Minalan wrote: »
    This is ZOS balance.

    Luckily those Templars aren't killing anyone either.

    Disrupting people and staying alive is a lot more efficient than most think in large combat situations. I play a DK Tank in PvP, I can't kill anyone on my own but using Chains and Swarm mother with Fasalla's and Reverberating bash will mess a lot of people. Taking them out of position to be targeted and killed and if not kills then severally debuffed. Its hilarious to chain someone into a breach and see them immediately die from all the attacks focus on that one point. Also fun to chain people out of breaches to be targeted by the attacking force. So 2 unkillable Templars giving out heals and debuffs can be a very useful and disrupting force on the battlefield.
  • Kidz_BeAstx
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    @phillyproduct Interesting...
  • zuto40
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    30 or so simultaneous incaps will do the trick usually
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  • Solariken
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    The only counter to these (and lots of other) cancer setups is playing in Azura's Star. The Champion system is a fountain of pure evil.

  • Zeuq
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    Yesterday i saw 2 Templar, 1 was guarding another.

    They both tanky Templar, the one with guard was extremely tanky and he used hybrid healing build (BOL + vigor), and his friend was built for healing. They both have at least 40k health and they throw shards and other support skills to each other so no matter how many poisons we use , the 20 men zerg couldn't kill these two, they have plenty of stam and even with dk talon + sorc negate combo they just dodge roll out easily. If anyone put the resource poison on them they will purge it immediately. One of them was using the Templar AOE magickasteal skill, they have crazy magicka return with the group aoe shards.

    They heal everyone nearby if u choose to ignore them, so if u don't kill these 2 Templars u can't kill anyone else nearby, even if a zerg decide to hit a nearby person at same time it is 10 times difficult cos these 2 Templars spam bol and purge on them.

    We also tried use negate + fear to separate them away from the guard beam range, but that doesn't work cos they throw too much shards and can dodge roll back immediately.

    So can someone tell me whats the counter ? Please don't say use resource poison or CC them out of stam, and it is impossible to kill them by focusing fire on the guard tank cos his friend were healing 20k BOL on him.

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  • Mayrael
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    Focused fire on one of them, someone needs to use fasalla and major maim, someone needs to spam puryfing light on the target (puryfing light is much cheaper than ritual) time your ccs (dont cc them when they are at full hp), combine fear, root and negate. Its all about timing. Tanks are tanky but coordinated group will always roll over them.
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  • John_1999
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  • Ashamray
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    1) some destroulties
    2) wait until they would have 50-60% HP
    3) fear >>> all ults into them
    2) in 0.5 second throw Negate
    Point is that they do a teamplay closing weaknesses of each other. Ofc they should become hard to kill.
    Edited by Ashamray on 14 March 2017 12:08
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  • Cinbri
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    Wait till next update with removal of reduce cost CP. Those won't be able to build super tanky healbots with instant spam of heals anymore. On azura tho such things non-existent already tho and for that reason i love this removal of cost reduce CP.
  • UppGRAYxDD
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    offer them sweetrolls to leave the area, ignore, or defile the *** out of them.
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