Proccs are not "fixed" with no crit, they are asenine, just critless-asenine. (pic)

The_Protagonist

StackonClown wrote: »

Zos does care - and actually, they have some awesome players at their offices to provide them with feedback which covers the whole playing community.. so there's a good chance what you mention may already be under discussion.
You can watch out for some youtube updates once the meetings are finished.

It's pretty cute to see such hope.

Rohamad_Ali

Yep .

olsborg

The_Protagonist wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Zos does care - and actually, they have some awesome players at their offices to provide them with feedback which covers the whole playing community.. so there's a good chance what you mention may already be under discussion.
You can watch out for some youtube updates once the meetings are finished.

It's pretty cute to see such hope.

That was me 3ish years ago^^

Reefo

okay.. so proc sets are in the game, they cant crit, they add a crap ton of burst, someone ambushes you, viper procs, get off an incap, velideath or selene procs, if you survive your forced to go on the defensive to and dodge roll spam or hold block and heal or spam breath of life or shields, to get to a safe point you waste resources, in the mean time your cc immunity wears off, the proc cool down is done and your ready to take some nice burst in yo a$$ again!

what can one do while the proc sets remain stackable in the game and you are reduced to being naked from penetration, dont get hit first? surely there is some constructive counter play here guys.. use them yourself?

olsborg

Reefo wrote: »

okay.. so proc sets are in the game, they cant crit, they add a crap ton of burst, someone ambushes you, viper procs, get off an incap, velideath or selene procs, if you survive your forced to go on the defensive to and dodge roll spam or hold block and heal or spam breath of life or shields, to get to a safe point you waste resources, in the mean time your cc immunity wears off, the proc cool down is done and your ready to take some nice burst in yo a$$ again!

what can one do while the proc sets remain stackable in the game and you are reduced to being naked from penetration, dont get hit first? surely there is some constructive counter play here guys.. use them yourself?

I basicly took a stand a while ago, to just flatout hate proccsets, and using them myself would pretty much brand me a hypocrite, id rather not. So I gimp myself for having principle, and I go to forum to QQ about it, sums it up nicely, not rly trying to sugarcoat it.

Reefo

olsborg wrote: »

I basicly took a stand a while ago, to just flatout hate proccsets, and using them myself would pretty much brand me a hypocrite, id rather not. So I gimp myself for having principle, and I go to forum to QQ about it, sums it up nicely, not rly trying to sugarcoat it.

i vote they should make a new craftable set:

armor of anti-a$$hole:
(2 items) Adds 967 stamina
(3 items) Adds 967 magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) Reduces the damage taken by proc sets by 50%, when damaged by a proc set increase your damage against that player by 25% for 10sec
Adds 1064 health

The_Protagonist

There are quite a few sets that give you a fighting chance against a ganker.

Death's Wind or Draugr's Heritage in Impen can turn the tide., after

Imagine what a surprise it would be for the poor ganker to get knocked back and stunned as you heal up to to either run away or kill him instead.

You get ganked once it's an experience.

You get ganked twice, you are doing something wrong.

You still get ganked over and over, shame on you.

So stop whining and L2P.

Reefo

The_Protagonist wrote: »

There are quite a few sets that give you a fighting chance against a ganker.

Death's Wind or Draugr's Heritage in Impen can turn the tide., after

Imagine what a surprise it would be for the poor ganker to get knocked back and stunned as you heal up to to either run away or kill him instead.

You get ganked once it's an experience.

You get ganked twice, you are doing something wrong.

You still get ganked over and over, shame on you.

So stop whining and L2P.

gimping yourself in order to avoid getting instakiled, not gonna help you beat them, just prolong your eventual death.

what i personally like doing, and this makes me feel so good and my balls get so much love from all the teabagging i give out to failed ganks, slot radiant magelight and soul assault. but only on my magplar sadly.

The_Protagonist

Reefo wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

There are quite a few sets that give you a fighting chance against a ganker.

Death's Wind or Draugr's Heritage in Impen can turn the tide., after

Imagine what a surprise it would be for the poor ganker to get knocked back and stunned as you heal up to to either run away or kill him instead.

You get ganked once it's an experience.

You get ganked twice, you are doing something wrong.

You still get ganked over and over, shame on you.

So stop whining and L2P.

gimping yourself in order to avoid getting instakiled, not gonna help you beat them, just prolong your eventual death.

what i personally like doing, and this makes me feel so good and my balls get so much love from all the teabagging i give out to failed ganks, slot radiant magelight and soul assault. but only on my magplar sadly.

Agreed, I did not give a a full build here, because I am a ganker and I love ganking.

You have gear swapper addons, that help a lot, when I am travelling out of stealth I use a defensive setup and when I am waiting for prey in the shadows I go all out glass cannon.

It makes my day to get those love messages after a successful gank once in a while, especially in IC.

Reefo

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Agreed, I did not give a a full build here, because I am a ganker and I love ganking.

You have gear swapper addons, that help a lot, when I am travelling out of stealth I use a defensive setup and when I am waiting for prey in the shadows I go all out glass cannon.

It makes my day to get those love messages after a successful gank once in a while, especially in IC.

well for us that play on ps4.. no such thing as addon, but the issue is not getting ganked, its interesting to see how fast some guys can do it, sometimes u gotta say "well done man, you got me" if they fail teabag, take it. we talking about proc sets, as an unnatural damage source

The_Protagonist

Reefo wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Agreed, I did not give a a full build here, because I am a ganker and I love ganking.

You have gear swapper addons, that help a lot, when I am travelling out of stealth I use a defensive setup and when I am waiting for prey in the shadows I go all out glass cannon.

It makes my day to get those love messages after a successful gank once in a while, especially in IC.

well for us that play on ps4.. no such thing as addon, but the issue is not getting ganked, its interesting to see how fast some guys can do it, sometimes u gotta say "well done man, you got me" if they fail teabag, take it. we talking about proc sets, as an unnatural damage source

Love it or hate it, they are here to stay, for good or bad, time will tell, I have been insta killed so many times that I finally adapted and learned to gank as well.

Derra

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Agreed, I did not give a a full build here, because I am a ganker and I love ganking.

You have gear swapper addons, that help a lot, when I am travelling out of stealth I use a defensive setup and when I am waiting for prey in the shadows I go all out glass cannon.

It makes my day to get those love messages after a successful gank once in a while, especially in IC.

well for us that play on ps4.. no such thing as addon, but the issue is not getting ganked, its interesting to see how fast some guys can do it, sometimes u gotta say "well done man, you got me" if they fail teabag, take it. we talking about proc sets, as an unnatural damage source

Love it or hate it, they are here to stay, for good or bad, time will tell, I have been insta killed so many times that I finally adapted and learned to gank as well.

Here it is ladies and gents - the final solution to ganking.

Go make a gankchar yourself. Until cyrodiil is only filled by 24 man grps or invisible players. That´s how it´s supposed to be.

But in the end the argument is futile as condition of mind leading to such statements is sadly untreatable.

Kajin

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Agreed, I did not give a a full build here, because I am a ganker and I love ganking.

You have gear swapper addons, that help a lot, when I am travelling out of stealth I use a defensive setup and when I am waiting for prey in the shadows I go all out glass cannon.

It makes my day to get those love messages after a successful gank once in a while, especially in IC.

well for us that play on ps4.. no such thing as addon, but the issue is not getting ganked, its interesting to see how fast some guys can do it, sometimes u gotta say "well done man, you got me" if they fail teabag, take it. we talking about proc sets, as an unnatural damage source

Love it or hate it, they are here to stay, for good or bad, time will tell, I have been insta killed so many times that I finally adapted and learned to gank as well.

This treath is about proc sets not ganking. There was ganking before proc set and hopely after.
I think ganking is a fun part of the game to do or counter it. I'm a NB myself and did some ganking without proc sets and I enjoy it for couple of weeks.
But what I do hate are ganking proc set NB, because most of them don't even know how to play without proc sets, because it deals 50 % of their damage.

You can't adapted to a proc set, because it's take 0 skills to use it. And you can't avoid it.
The only thing is to adjust on gear, run high HP, heavy armor build or run proc sets yourself.

So it's gear depended instead of skill based.
Now that's fun right ? I guess for people like you it is. But I don't like it for 1 second.

technohic

Reefo wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I basicly took a stand a while ago, to just flatout hate proccsets, and using them myself would pretty much brand me a hypocrite, id rather not. So I gimp myself for having principle, and I go to forum to QQ about it, sums it up nicely, not rly trying to sugarcoat it.

i vote they should make a new craftable set:

armor of anti-a$$hole:
(2 items) Adds 967 stamina
(3 items) Adds 967 magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) Reduces the damage taken by proc sets by 50%, when damaged by a proc set increase your damage against that player by 25% for 10sec
Adds 1064 health

This gives me an idea on how to affect proc sets without getting PvEers panties in a twist!

Tweaking your set a bit going more recover from gank reaction:

(2 items) Adds 129 stamina recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 magicka recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) Reflects half of each proc set damage ability back at the attacker
Adds 1064 health

And we need one for the healing procs as well going more offensive:

(2 items) Adds 967 stamina
(3 items) Adds 967 magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) While under the affects of a health steal, major defile is applied to the attacker.

technohic

The_Protagonist wrote: »

There are quite a few sets that give you a fighting chance against a ganker.

Death's Wind or Draugr's Heritage in Impen can turn the tide., after

Imagine what a surprise it would be for the poor ganker to get knocked back and stunned as you heal up to to either run away or kill him instead.

You get ganked once it's an experience.

You get ganked twice, you are doing something wrong.

You still get ganked over and over, shame on you.

So stop whining and L2P.

You should give that a try. I am pretty sure though; that once you get below 35% health and a ganker goes to finish you, you're going to be dead before that stuff procs.

If not; once again we are getting into the just tank or gank meta with everyone just stacking health. Might as well go full trollplar while we're all at it.

Reefo

technohic wrote: »

This gives me an idea on how to affect proc sets without getting PvEers panties in a twist!

Tweaking your set a bit going more recover from gank reaction:

(2 items) Adds 129 stamina recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 magicka recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) Reflects half of each proc set damage ability back at the attacker
Adds 1064 health

And we need one for the healing procs as well going more offensive:

(2 items) Adds 967 stamina
(3 items) Adds 967 magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) While under the affects of a health steal, major defile is applied to the attacker.

Lol someone still hates Malubeth!
but yeah they really should make a set for countering proc sets which punish the users, its the only way to slowly remove it, that reflect back the damage of procs is nice, punishes users of multiple proc sets which is actually the key issue. 1 proc set is generally fine to deal with, 2 and 3 creates the problem.

technohic

Reefo wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

This gives me an idea on how to affect proc sets without getting PvEers panties in a twist!

Tweaking your set a bit going more recover from gank reaction:

(2 items) Adds 129 stamina recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 magicka recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) Reflects half of each proc set damage ability back at the attacker
Adds 1064 health

And we need one for the healing procs as well going more offensive:

(2 items) Adds 967 stamina
(3 items) Adds 967 magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(5 items) While under the affects of a health steal, major defile is applied to the attacker.

Lol someone still hates Malubeth!
but yeah they really should make a set for countering proc sets which punish the users, its the only way to slowly remove it, that reflect back the damage of procs is nice, punishes users of multiple proc sets which is actually the key issue. 1 proc set is generally fine to deal with, 2 and 3 creates the problem.

I'm not really bothered by Malubeth but I figured that if we are going to hit damage procs, we should also hit the other side of the coin.

Reefo

technohic wrote: »

I'm not really bothered by Malubeth but I figured that if we are going to hit damage procs, we should also hit the other side of the coin.

how many health steals are there? i only know of malubeth and songs of lamae

technohic

Reefo wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I'm not really bothered by Malubeth but I figured that if we are going to hit damage procs, we should also hit the other side of the coin.

how many health steals are there? i only know of malubeth and songs of lamae

Lamae is not even worded as a health steal. think Malubeth is the only one that does that. The rest proc a summon that then heals you or like Lamae, just gives you a flat heal proc.

Xeniph

Derra wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Take the OP's screenshot. He didn't block once, didn't roll dodge, and probably didn't break free in time. Now some of that could have been due to ping rate, who knows.

Those attacks all hit within a little more than 1 second for OP. Meaning he can´t possibly block or dodge anything but the last suprise attack - because he was in breakfree animation.

Also he´s one of the best NBs on the eu server (who actually plays the class an doesn´t just gank). Making assumptions about someones ability to play the game for whatever reason without having seen gameplay always makes you look like an

While I appreciate the troll attempt, you forgot to read the entire quote:

"Take the OP's screenshot. He didn't block once, didn't roll dodge, and probably didn't break free in time. Now some of that could have been due to ping rate, who knows."

Sadly, without timestamps, you are making assumptions. Even though you are probably right, it still does not mean he did any of those things. He could have if he had been on, or even has Radiant on a bar. As it would have prevented the stun and given him time to react. The Incap and Selene would have been roll dodged, but that's just how I do it /shrug

I won't debate the whole "Why should I waste a slot, to counter one playstyle" argument, it's too old and I think by now people understand it's a choice, some run it some don't.

I wasn't making any assumptions, nor was I criticizing. The fact is, he did nothing defensive wise to mitigate/avoid any of this damage. That in no way implies he's bad, can't play or whatever. Have no fear, I wasn't bashing EU's poster NB.

Jsmalls wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Thelon wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

I personally love proc sets, without them burst is more predictable.

You just went full potato. Never go full potato

I did say "To each their own" AND You took the quoted out of context. I love playing against proc sets.

I could say the exact same thing of people that roam in a duo or more about "going potato". It's all subjective.

Complaint about proc sets simply boils down to the fact that someone died and didn't like it.

To give an example, I have a build that does upwards of 35k in one shot with absolutely zero proc sets and people still complain.

Some people expect fair and equal fights in Cyrodiil. In which case you might as well head to Rawl and duel all day. My idea of "fun" pvp is the ability to put people down before they can react and attempt to get away from their friends, to do it all over again. /shrug

@Xeniph
To the "I have a build" let's be serious it's an Onslaught build... And it feeds the lack of skill in this game. Can we all agree that Zos implements these ridiculous things in this game, and just not abuse it!?!? Are you seriously having fun 1 shotting a player because they didn't feel like keeping all their buffs up 24/7 outside of combat?? Not to mention this particular build goes straight through some defensive buffs...

Geez why can't players have any sense of self pride or dignity. Why do so many people resort to effortless kills... Buff, empower, ultimate, stealth and run.

I hear ya, I do. Let me counter you point with a question.

Why can't people just let others play the game their way, as you do yours?

Your argument/point has been around in MMO's since 97' when I started playing them. It's all a matter of perspective. As what you would call cheap, I might consider clever. What is fun for one, may not be for another. As to skill in a game, that one is used a lot too. I personally don't think pressing buttons in a video game has any "skill" value whatsoever, but that's just me.
I look at it this way, I pay for my sub to play how I like, everyone else in the game is simply here for my entertainment, because after all, it's my world.

Derra wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

You are right, I drifted due to the SS specifically being from a NB.
However I think my point that without proc sets burst is predictable and with all the defensive sets available to classes with a reliable heal on top of the removal of soft caps, more people would be impossible to kill.

I look at it this way. Those sorcs that can stack 20k+ shields make them immune to crits and they can be refreshed at will. We all know these guys and have watched 5+ people trying to kill a turtling magicka sorc. I personally would not like to see everyone be able to do this. I think the RNG burst from these sets bring a bit of "unpredictability" to game play.

Now do I think that it was the right direction to go, no not really. However I do believe that with the current state of the game they are needed atm.

5 people who cannot kill a turtling magica sorc simply suck at the game. period. I´m highly in favor of nerfing shieldstacking but these exaggerations don´t help any bit in that situation.

Also your last statement is shortsighted (if we´re being nice). There´s the possibility to build insanely tanky. That´s a problem.
The solution is "oviously" to provide enough offensive power (with itemsets) that anything not insanely tanky is no longer effectively playable? Really?

Yeah that´s a smart solution.

Now your just being over dramatic. It was an example, and one that you can see on most video's and streams.

As to building extremely tanky. Why is that a problem? I am all for some guy who dons HA, stacks health and regen to be able to tank raids. I do it at times on my DK and Templar.
But how is that detrimental to your gameplay? How does some guy, perma blocking and surviving all your stuff make for a bad thing for you? What about those people who really enjoy tanking, debuffing and controlling the field?
You know as well as I do that building that tanky leaves the player no aggressive offence, only reactionary offence ( Thinking Blazing Shield and some proc sets) Just save that guy for last, or move on if you don't want to deal with him. I see/have no problem with a guy who wants to run around and have 30+people chasing him, I find it quite funny to watch all the pugs try.

Kajin wrote: »

"I personally love proc sets, without them burst is more predictable. I don't enjoy 5 minute plus fights, so boring. I love going back through my combat log trying to figure out what destroyed me. Then learning how to avoid that situation or mitigate it.

To each their own."

Proc sets take 0 skills and you like them ?
You love going back through combat log and trying to figure out what destroyed you, And how can you learn to avoid a proc set ? You can't and you like that ?
Or can you tell me how to avoid a viper proc ?

The statement was more aimed towards the monster sets, of which most of them are avoidable with some defensive action. However if those 3-4k viper procs every 4 seconds are the reason you are getting destroyed you may want to look into how to mitigate that.

olsborg wrote: »

Viper, Selene, Velidreth, Tremorscale and Valkyn Skoria is the worst pieces of s proccsets out there, they need nerfed hard af. (tremorscale for the asenine snare)

And finally back on topic. I can respect your opinion, I just disagree. If we nerf these sets any further, where is the incentive to use them?
We have to keep in mind that beyond the proc hub-bub, these sets are rewards, and to get these things in perfect weight/traits is a real pita. So being a reward, they need to do something special. Otherwise why bother going through the content? Sure some folks do the content with friends and guilds because they find it fun, however the vast majority of people only do it for the reward. Take that away and the content will lose a lot of it's appeal. Then you will have the Pve people complaining that it takes too long to group in the finder.

I guess my point is, simply nerfing them into the ground is not really an option. ZoS knows this, which is why they did this small tweak. I don't envy the place they have put themselves in.

kadar

Reefo wrote: »

okay.. so proc sets are in the game, they cant crit, they add a crap ton of burst, someone ambushes you, viper procs, get off an incap, velideath or selene procs, if you survive your forced to go on the defensive to and dodge roll spam or hold block and heal or spam breath of life or shields, to get to a safe point you waste resources, in the mean time your cc immunity wears off, the proc cool down is done and your ready to take some nice burst in yo a$$ again!

what can one do while the proc sets remain stackable in the game and you are reduced to being naked from penetration, dont get hit first? surely there is some constructive counter play here guys.. use them yourself?

For the above situation, you're best bet is to force the proctato onto the defensive. Many of them are pretty squishy and have low recovery/sustain. For my NB this looks like: Get hit w/ proc burst ---> block cast Rally (optional chug health potion) --> block cast Fear --> if my health is still low, block cast Vigor and then Cloak to confuse target. If not, go full offense. The above progression happens in the space of 1 or 2 Global Cooldowns, so they won't have their burst up again yet. Basically you need to heal above execute range and CC/force them to defend. Like you said, you don't want to take another cycle of their burst for free.

Having a defeatist mentality about proc builds is going to have 1 result: you're gonna lose. Understanding their builds strength and weakness, and having the awareness to react is not only possible, but not overly difficult with practice. Hope this helps.

kadar

olsborg wrote: »
Viper, Selene, Velidreth, Tremorscale and Valkyn Skoria is the worst pieces of s proccsets out there, they need nerfed hard af. (tremorscale for the asenine snare)
[Xeniph]
And finally back on topic. I can respect your opinion, I just disagree. If we nerf these sets any further, where is the incentive to use them?

Agreed @Xeniph . Like I pointed out in a comment earlier, contrary to what some anticipated, the crit removal does have a large impact on the burst of a proctato in Cyrodiil (about 33% damage nerf in the case of the OP).

This is not an instance of ZOS making a change intending to help and utterly failing to have any effect at all. They have made a small-ish (depending on your perspective lol) downward tweak in proc burst that has left proc sets quite useful. And again, like I earlier pointed out, the meta is shifting. Many of us can feel it.

Xeniph

The_Outsider wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

okay.. so proc sets are in the game, they cant crit, they add a crap ton of burst, someone ambushes you, viper procs, get off an incap, velideath or selene procs, if you survive your forced to go on the defensive to and dodge roll spam or hold block and heal or spam breath of life or shields, to get to a safe point you waste resources, in the mean time your cc immunity wears off, the proc cool down is done and your ready to take some nice burst in yo a$$ again!

what can one do while the proc sets remain stackable in the game and you are reduced to being naked from penetration, dont get hit first? surely there is some constructive counter play here guys.. use them yourself?

For the above situation, you're best bet is to force the proctato onto the defensive. Many of them are pretty squishy and have low recovery/sustain. For my NB this looks like: Get hit w/ proc burst ---> block cast Rally (optional chug health potion) --> block cast Fear --> if my health is still low, block cast Vigor and then Cloak to confuse target. If not, go full offense. The above progression happens in the space of 1 or 2 Global Cooldowns, so they won't have their burst up again yet. Basically you need to heal above execute range and CC/force them to defend. Like you said, you don't want to take another cycle of their burst for free.

Having a defeatist mentality about proc builds is going to have 1 result: you're gonna lose. Understanding their builds strength and weakness, and having the awareness to react is not only possible, but not overly difficult with practice. Hope this helps.

This guy gets it.

The best way to screw up a gank is to prevent the initial stun, period. That Ambush+Viper will likely do about 8-10k on a good day without Radiant and 5-6k with it on.
A single roll dodge after Ambush will make the following incap + Veli/Selene miss. Selene is even easier to roll dodge as it's animation takes forever.

At this point most gankers won't hang around and will try to reset. This is your opportunity to make them pay for it. Pop an invis, or use Radiant and prevent them from resetting. If they are not built for visible combat, profit. In the event they are better than the average ganker, you will have a good fight on your hands.

Now if you are out leveled, out geared, out numbered or inexperienced you will likely die. But at least you got the chance to react.

*Edit- Gank builds will likely be changing to match the new patch, so sets/abilities and strategies will be as well.

Nutshotz

So let me get this right. We already know that selene and veledrith base damage is way to high and still hit lIke a truck even with out the critical chance. Seems logical. Now we still have all the stam builds pro and new players that run these monster sets cuz you gimp yourself. Now how about we even the playing field and give magicka builds something similar. Now your gonna say well you have skoria. True but it's like 60% of those twork sets?? So either even the playing field or tone down the damage. Than I think a lot of us would be ok

ManDraKE

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

So let me get this right. We already know that selene and veledrith base damage is way to high and still hit lIke a truck even with out the critical chance. Seems logical. Now we still have all the stam builds pro and new players that run these monster sets cuz you gimp yourself. Now how about we even the playing field and give magicka builds something similar. Now your gonna say well you have skoria. True but it's like 60% of those twork sets?? So either even the playing field or tone down the damage. Than I think a lot of us would be ok

with the burst damage than magika builds got with destro staff this patch, you don't even need a proc set. A well geared magsorc with a firestaff can nuke people in no time

Jawasa

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

So let me get this right. We already know that selene and veledrith base damage is way to high and still hit lIke a truck even with out the critical chance. Seems logical. Now we still have all the stam builds pro and new players that run these monster sets cuz you gimp yourself. Now how about we even the playing field and give magicka builds something similar. Now your gonna say well you have skoria. True but it's like 60% of those twork sets?? So either even the playing field or tone down the damage. Than I think a lot of us would be ok

Magica was allready on a lvl playing field last patch now with stamina nerfs and destro buffs i think magica is going to dominante even more no procs needed.

aLi3nZ

Well I kinda like how they made monster helms readily avalible and popular due to their effectiveness.

I tend to use Infernal guardian pve and pvp. Actually had fun finally beating vma last night. I might run that again.

It really makes my charextor build and appearance. Magika did seem to get more aoe focused proc sets while stam got heavy hitting single targets but whatevs

Domander

3 attacks with 2 procs on timers and one with only a 15% chance, not so sure it's a problem. 25k health would have survived it and both of those procs would be on cooldown.

leepalmer95

Domander wrote: »

3 attacks with 2 procs on timers and one with only a 15% chance, not so sure it's a problem. 25k health would have survived it and both of those procs would be on cooldown.

Nice troll.


But what were people expecting? Crit or not you have sets like selene with 17k tooltips... which you can buff with incap for tooltips greater that most ult's.

#Balanced.

Domander

Jawasa wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

So let me get this right. We already know that selene and veledrith base damage is way to high and still hit lIke a truck even with out the critical chance. Seems logical. Now we still have all the stam builds pro and new players that run these monster sets cuz you gimp yourself. Now how about we even the playing field and give magicka builds something similar. Now your gonna say well you have skoria. True but it's like 60% of those twork sets?? So either even the playing field or tone down the damage. Than I think a lot of us would be ok

Magica was allready on a lvl playing field last patch now with stamina nerfs and destro buffs i think magica is going to dominante even more no procs needed.

Magicka is much much less mobile than stamina, people seem to forget how powerful that is on these forums. I'm not saying either is more powerful, also I don't think proc sets are a problem.