Why so much hate for NBs?

LuminaLilly

@IzakiBrotherSs I've showed +you my build, showed you clips of me killing people, invited you to watch more clips on my profile, yet you find the smallest loophole and attack me on that. You are dense. Then again, what else should I expect from a typical gamer boy.

I can just slap on molag Kena and use surge and hit 4k spell damage. But I know you'll just smack talk that. There's no use talking you you anymore.

I'll Sprint on a Magica class, and I'll play however I want, it's all you gamer boys who like to talk smack to other players because they don't play how you want them to. But at the end of the day, I always win my duels, I just die when I get zerged on. But no player has ever been able to kill me by themselves on cyrodiil

Tryxus

We play dirty, that's why

Lord-Otto

@IzakiBrotherSs
Ah, yes, I've seen Faso's build. Really clever!
I fear, however, that you'll be hopeless against Crushing Shock. You just can't kite as well as a stamsorc around a tree. Also, I just don't know what to drop for it, two bars myself. xD

Devilhand

...So what does ZOS thinking with this new update.

Instead of balancing the game by doing simple stuff like reducing damage multiplier from crouch sthealth (hidden) to avoid 1 shoot ganks, they decided to:

Buff Magicka DK's => Perma block caster, with ton of DOT's and undodgeable skills, and a OP heal now. Which its a deja-vu of first Mag DK's when game came out 2 years ago?, they could tank 20 people and wipe them all by spamming roots, bats and essence.

Buff Magicka Sorc => Shield stacks + a DOUBLE CUERSE. Yep, get 3 of those in your stam NB and youre done, unblockable, and since stamina NB's don't run purge (Expensive, and really? why would they have to run a 7k magicka cost skill that you can use once? LOL).

Templars about the same then past patchs, not an issue really, just have to time your skills right.

A couple of suggestions:

1) Get rid of block casting. Pointless. If you want to use your skills cant be blocking for ever, and casting either heals (BOL) or Damage (Mag DK's).
2) Get rid of Double curse and/or make it blockable, so stam classes can actually DO SOMETHING about it, and not talking only about stam NB's. Or add purges for all classes...
3) Reduce damage from poisons (at moment its not been cut by cyrodiil, 50%). And reduce draining poisons effectiveness to...They are one of the reasons why damage output its out of control in this game at the moment, which it literally killed 1vX, everyone running +12 groups, at least give us a chance like use to be.

Thanks and hopefully ZOS actually do something.

Sav72

ZOS, has absolutely no common sense. There pvp/ balancing dept. Is a fail.

No way to counter DK ( dont say fear, because half the time it does work)
At range, they reflect, up close, they spam root aoe fire.

Sorc, they now just cast there nuke dot, (Which FN last longer) and then they spam shield.

Temp, Healing debuff is S#$%! against them.

So, As my buddy, John Oliver said about 2016.

@#$$ #@&!!! person who is in charge of NB.

Izaki

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@IzakiBrotherSs
Ah, yes, I've seen Faso's build. Really clever!
I fear, however, that you'll be hopeless against Crushing Shock. You just can't kite as well as a stamsorc around a tree. Also, I just don't know what to drop for it, two bars myself. xD

@Lord-Otto I've seen Faso's streams he seems to be doing alright, plus on a dual wield build you don't consume as much mag as a destro build cause you spam the super cheap entropy to proc you frags after applying fury and curse, so the base 1.6k regen is almost enough by itself. Its a really clever thing he has going on there. Lich is also pretty useless when you have to Streak through half of Cyrodiil to spread the fight so... Idk. I'm also going to try out Spinner and Slimecraw... Will get some sick damage out of that. I'll stick to destro for the time being cause I'm having real fun on the "classic" sorc set up. Ya know "The Engine" but with Amber instead of Seducer. Pretty fun being a stam sorc on a mag sorc. Btw are you on xbox eu? Seen your name on there a few days back!

@AlphaNicole yeah I know you could slap on Kena and get 4k spell damage and it has a very obvious visual effect. You did the same thing with Bound Aegis (which also has a very obvious visual) and changing your build completely for a screen shot. So yeah nice.

I dont care how you play, sprint on your magicka sorc, run with bi-stat food, run without stamina, i couldn't care less, but don't complain about Fear or about Incaps when you play on the hardest counter to NBs in open combat. You have mines, you have shields (important part of NBs damage is crits), you have streak, you have Curse and you have access to Soul Assault, Destro ult and Meteor. You have trouble with NBs because you can't manage your stam. You were the one who started whining remember?

Good for you! Keep winning those duels and being absolutely unbeatable! Those clips don't reflect that at all btw, just saying.

LuminaLilly

I never actually said I had issues with night blades. QuOTE me

DrkHunter86

Sav72 wrote: »

DK =Reflect
Temp =God Heals
Sorc= Shields with a nuke dot
NB, broken hidden, any thing can unstealth you, I vanish and Radiant Destruction stills doing damage to me.

Where is the common sense to this ZEN?

PFT.....

I think people just hate banking which nb does very well. Would be great if zos would fix the stealth issues though.

Lord-Otto

@IzakiBrotherSs
Yup, you have seen me. I was emoting you a hello, but you just moved along. Hurt my feelings, man...
</3
xP
Destro is more fun to play, for sure. Still waiting on Slimecraw shoulders to test it myself.

Arkangeloski

What was this topic about?

Arkangeloski

AlphaNicole wrote: »

@IzakiBrotherSs I've showed +you my build, showed you clips of me killing people, invited you to watch more clips on my profile, yet you find the smallest loophole and attack me on that. You are dense. Then again, what else should I expect from a typical gamer boy.

I can just slap on molag Kena and use surge and hit 4k spell damage. But I know you'll just smack talk that. There's no use talking you you anymore.

I'll Sprint on a Magica class, and I'll play however I want, it's all you gamer boys who like to talk smack to other players because they don't play how you want them to. But at the end of the day, I always win my duels, I just die when I get zerged on. But no player has ever been able to kill me by themselves on cyrodiil

You say gamerboy one more time... i will jump off a bridge! it sounds super lame and it makes me feel sorry for you

Izaki

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@IzakiBrotherSs
Yup, you have seen me. I was emoting you a hello, but you just moved along. Hurt my feelings, man...
</3
xP
Destro is more fun to play, for sure. Still waiting on Slimecraw shoulders to test it myself.

@Lord-Otto Noooooo sorrrrryyyyyyy was it that time in Craglorn where I was casting Liquid Lightning and Blockade for like 5 mins straight?! I was trying to see the animation timings compared to PC as well as the smoothness cause it seems to me that its impossible to have a weaving time of less than 1.1 seconds. Also trying to see how many Light Attacks would bug out xD
I actually find DW more fun! Destro is... For trials lol

Izaki

Arkangeloski wrote: »

What was this topic about?

Something about NBs being hated for something when they don't deserve something at all.

Lord-Otto

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@IzakiBrotherSs
Yup, you have seen me. I was emoting you a hello, but you just moved along. Hurt my feelings, man...
</3
xP
Destro is more fun to play, for sure. Still waiting on Slimecraw shoulders to test it myself.

@Lord-Otto Noooooo sorrrrryyyyyyy was it that time in Craglorn where I was casting Liquid Lightning and Blockade for like 5 mins straight?! I was trying to see the animation timings compared to PC as well as the smoothness cause it seems to me that its impossible to have a weaving time of less than 1.1 seconds. Also trying to see how many Light Attacks would bug out xD
I actually find DW more fun! Destro is... For trials lol

Bingo bongo. At some point I was actually standing next to you and doing the same thing.
xD
I'll forgive you this time. Next time you're giving me the cold shoulder, I expect an apology cookie!
(^_-)

Btw, judging from videos I've seen, it appears animation cancelling is a lot smoother and faster on PC. I suspect it's the framerate.

Derra

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Lord-Otto

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Elaborate?

thankyourat

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Even the good ones are incredibly squishy compared to other classes I've only fought 3 or 4 stamblades that I thought just completely outplayed me some others I lost to just because the build I was playing was incredibly stamblade weak (light armor with only 700 crit resist and no stealth counters and blue gear) playing in heavy armor I can only recall losing to one stamblade and he had fasallas, double proc sets, and rearming trap. All in all stamblade is usually my easiest opponent. I'm sure there are a handful of stamblades out there that can beat me. I know a few, but they are in the minority. Stamblade is just a weak class for 1v1 encounters. Unless they are much more skilled than you there really is no reason to struggle with stamblades

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Even the good ones are incredibly squishy compared to other classes I've only fought 3 or 4 stamblades that I thought just completely outplayed me some others I lost to just because the build I was playing was incredibly stamblade weak (light armor with only 700 crit resist and no stealth counters and blue gear) playing in heavy armor I can only recall losing to one stamblade and he had fasallas, double proc sets, and rearming trap. All in all stamblade is usually my easiest opponent. I'm sure there are a handful of stamblades out there that can beat me. I know a few, but they are in the minority. Stamblade is just a weak class for 1v1 encounters. Unless they are much more skilled than you there really is no reason to struggle with stamblades

But Cyrodiil is not 1v1. That's the big issue.

Runschei

Devilhand wrote: »

...So what does ZOS thinking with this new update.

Instead of balancing the game by doing simple stuff like reducing damage multiplier from crouch sthealth (hidden) to avoid 1 shoot ganks, they decided to:

Buff Magicka DK's => Perma block caster, with ton of DOT's and undodgeable skills, and a OP heal now. Which its a deja-vu of first Mag DK's when game came out 2 years ago?, they could tank 20 people and wipe them all by spamming roots, bats and essence.

Buff Magicka Sorc => Shield stacks + a DOUBLE CUERSE. Yep, get 3 of those in your stam NB and youre done, unblockable, and since stamina NB's don't run purge (Expensive, and really? why would they have to run a 7k magicka cost skill that you can use once? LOL).

Templars about the same then past patchs, not an issue really, just have to time your skills right.

A couple of suggestions:

1) Get rid of block casting. Pointless. If you want to use your skills cant be blocking for ever, and casting either heals (BOL) or Damage (Mag DK's).
2) Get rid of Double curse and/or make it blockable, so stam classes can actually DO SOMETHING about it, and not talking only about stam NB's. Or add purges for all classes...
3) Reduce damage from poisons (at moment its not been cut by cyrodiil, 50%). And reduce draining poisons effectiveness to...They are one of the reasons why damage output its out of control in this game at the moment, which it literally killed 1vX, everyone running +12 groups, at least give us a chance like use to be.

Thanks and hopefully ZOS actually do something.

I run purge/cleanse on my stamina nb, and I can cast it twice if needed. It is one ouf of thee magica skills I use

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Even the good ones are incredibly squishy compared to other classes I've only fought 3 or 4 stamblades that I thought just completely outplayed me some others I lost to just because the build I was playing was incredibly stamblade weak (light armor with only 700 crit resist and no stealth counters and blue gear) playing in heavy armor I can only recall losing to one stamblade and he had fasallas, double proc sets, and rearming trap. All in all stamblade is usually my easiest opponent. I'm sure there are a handful of stamblades out there that can beat me. I know a few, but they are in the minority. Stamblade is just a weak class for 1v1 encounters. Unless they are much more skilled than you there really is no reason to struggle with stamblades

But Cyrodiil is not 1v1. That's the big issue.

Yea nightblades and proc sets are the main reason I play with 27 to 29k health and 25k resists. Because gankblades roll in packs of 3 or 4 I had to pump up my health and healing up in the this last patch. What I find annoying is that nightblades wait until I'm in a fight with 3 or 4 other people before they incap me from stealth it's so annoying. A nightblade opening up from stealth is really only effective against someone not wearing heavy, and pretty much everyone is in heavy except MagSorcs so that's who ganks are really strong against. Pretty much every other class is building anti gank builds.

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Even the good ones are incredibly squishy compared to other classes I've only fought 3 or 4 stamblades that I thought just completely outplayed me some others I lost to just because the build I was playing was incredibly stamblade weak (light armor with only 700 crit resist and no stealth counters and blue gear) playing in heavy armor I can only recall losing to one stamblade and he had fasallas, double proc sets, and rearming trap. All in all stamblade is usually my easiest opponent. I'm sure there are a handful of stamblades out there that can beat me. I know a few, but they are in the minority. Stamblade is just a weak class for 1v1 encounters. Unless they are much more skilled than you there really is no reason to struggle with stamblades

But Cyrodiil is not 1v1. That's the big issue.

Yea nightblades and proc sets are the main reason I play with 27 to 29k health and 25k resists. Because gankblades roll in packs of 3 or 4 I had to pump up my health and healing up in the this last patch. What I find annoying is that nightblades wait until I'm in a fight with 3 or 4 other people before they incap me from stealth it's so annoying. A nightblade opening up from stealth is really only effective against someone not wearing heavy, and pretty much everyone is in heavy except MagSorcs so that's who ganks are really strong against. Pretty much every other class is building anti gank builds.

Amen to that.

Derra

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The only time I ever had an issue with NBs was when shieldbreaker came out and I was farming trophies in IC. My class is mostly the counter to NBs so the most common feeling I experience about them is pity. They're sooo squishy, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with them, except maybe the builds that get countered by NBs. People forget that this game is still mostly rock/paper/scissors.

Have you ever fought actually good players on NBs?

Elaborate?

He´s playing magica sorc and says it´s the counter to NBs. Which i have not found to be true since streaks increasing costs when players meet at an above average skill.

Are magsorc the hardest to kill when prepared for a NB? - they most likely are.

Are magsorcs a counter to NBs? Well the general consensus among the NBs i´m talking too seems to be. A magsorc can´t kill you unless you jump into mines. Which for me does not equal a counter class.

Basically the matchup changes with increasing skilllevel of opponents.
A bad sorc beats a bad nb (shieldstacking too stronk for pushing 2 buttons).
An average sorc beats an average nb (if he does not get instarekt from stealth)(shieldstacking too stronk for pushing 2 buttons).
An above average sorc won´t kill an above average nb - unless they get greedy.

On a higher skill level they cancel each other out quite well when aware of each other - but in that regard the fight can be entirely controled by the NB as cloak still has no effective ranged counter.
The NB can just wait out the fight completely at range with shade and cloak until the sorc decides to leave mines and becomes vulnerable.

I might not be the best sorc. But when i´m asking top NBs players like jovre, zorrr, hexys etc pp how they would go about killing a good NB on their sorc (all of them play NB aswell as sorc) the answer is: Unless they jump into mines you won´t kill the nb on sorc (except for a lucky destro ult with good crits and a missed shade).
Edit: The point here being - they most likely can´t kill each other but the fight is controlled by the NB player not the sorc.

Lord-Otto

@Derra
Yup, that kinda mirrors my experience. I agree.

Izaki

Lord-Otto wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@IzakiBrotherSs
Yup, you have seen me. I was emoting you a hello, but you just moved along. Hurt my feelings, man...
</3
xP
Destro is more fun to play, for sure. Still waiting on Slimecraw shoulders to test it myself.

@Lord-Otto Noooooo sorrrrryyyyyyy was it that time in Craglorn where I was casting Liquid Lightning and Blockade for like 5 mins straight?! I was trying to see the animation timings compared to PC as well as the smoothness cause it seems to me that its impossible to have a weaving time of less than 1.1 seconds. Also trying to see how many Light Attacks would bug out xD
I actually find DW more fun! Destro is... For trials lol

Bingo bongo. At some point I was actually standing next to you and doing the same thing.
xD
I'll forgive you this time. Next time you're giving me the cold shoulder, I expect an apology cookie!
(^_-)

Btw, judging from videos I've seen, it appears animation cancelling is a lot smoother and faster on PC. I suspect it's the framerate.

Yesss I remember that! XD Yeah animations on Xbox seems slower in general, not just the anim cancels. Probably the lag and frames yes. if only we could change out graphic settings...

Yes don't worry next time we cross paths, I'll give you an apology cookie Gotta PvP together sometime!

AzuraKin

Lord-Otto wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Because they either oneshot you or run away.
You just can't have a proper fight with them.
And I think their ganking makes people all the more willing to ball up.

bah, then you aint met us spellswords then. we aint no coward assassins. we embue our weapons with magicka, shoot to the front lines dealing damage and healing our allies with our dual wield and sword and board restoration magicks.

If you actually exist, you have my respect.

rebecca azurakin - dc spellsword
star of dusk and dawn - dc spellsword

i wear light armor dw too, i dont cower behind no shields and heavy ass armor.

AzuraKin

AlphaNicole wrote: »

@IzakiBrotherSs I've showed +you my build, showed you clips of me killing people, invited you to watch more clips on my profile, yet you find the smallest loophole and attack me on that. You are dense. Then again, what else should I expect from a typical gamer boy.

I can just slap on molag Kena and use surge and hit 4k spell damage. But I know you'll just smack talk that. There's no use talking you you anymore.

I'll Sprint on a Magica class, and I'll play however I want, it's all you gamer boys who like to talk smack to other players because they don't play how you want them to. But at the end of the day, I always win my duels, I just die when I get zerged on. But no player has ever been able to kill me by themselves on cyrodiil

i could hit 4k spell power without kena, its my little secret build i am working on. maybe someday after i test it see if it actually good, ill post a vid of me killing everyone in it but not show the gear :P its an idea i came up with. probably someones build already if its good but eh.. i like figuring out builds myself.

AzuraKin

Devilhand wrote: »

...So what does ZOS thinking with this new update.

Instead of balancing the game by doing simple stuff like reducing damage multiplier from crouch sthealth (hidden) to avoid 1 shoot ganks, they decided to:

Buff Magicka DK's => Perma block caster, with ton of DOT's and undodgeable skills, and a OP heal now. Which its a deja-vu of first Mag DK's when game came out 2 years ago?, they could tank 20 people and wipe them all by spamming roots, bats and essence.

Buff Magicka Sorc => Shield stacks + a DOUBLE CUERSE. Yep, get 3 of those in your stam NB and youre done, unblockable, and since stamina NB's don't run purge (Expensive, and really? why would they have to run a 7k magicka cost skill that you can use once? LOL).

Templars about the same then past patchs, not an issue really, just have to time your skills right.

A couple of suggestions:

1) Get rid of block casting. Pointless. If you want to use your skills cant be blocking for ever, and casting either heals (BOL) or Damage (Mag DK's).
2) Get rid of Double curse and/or make it blockable, so stam classes can actually DO SOMETHING about it, and not talking only about stam NB's. Or add purges for all classes...
3) Reduce damage from poisons (at moment its not been cut by cyrodiil, 50%). And reduce draining poisons effectiveness to...They are one of the reasons why damage output its out of control in this game at the moment, which it literally killed 1vX, everyone running +12 groups, at least give us a chance like use to be.

Thanks and hopefully ZOS actually do something.

shah, i would rather have block casting then animation canceling. block can be drained, problem is 99% of pvpers dont use poisens, apply dots, and other skills that would allow you to kill them.

Father_X_Zombie

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

AlphaNicole wrote: »

You forgot 30k ripcaps, perma stuns

Show me a screen shot of someone doing a 30k incap. Please. Oh wait... You're just *** because you can't kill a NB on the hard counter class (Sorc).

[edited to remove profanity masking]

How exactly do sorcs hard counter nbs? From my experience maining sorc and fighting them on my stam nb, most are pretty easy to kill. I just count to 5, fear, ambush, incap and a suprise attack (execute if none of this crits). The only hard counter to nbs i can see is mines but heavy armor can just roll through them. Im not trying to start an argument i just want to see your reasoning.

Izaki

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

AlphaNicole wrote: »

You forgot 30k ripcaps, perma stuns

Show me a screen shot of someone doing a 30k incap. Please. Oh wait... You're just *** because you can't kill a NB on the hard counter class (Sorc).

[edited to remove profanity masking]

How exactly do sorcs hard counter nbs? From my experience maining sorc and fighting them on my stam nb, most are pretty easy to kill. I just count to 5, fear, ambush, incap and a suprise attack (execute if none of this crits). The only hard counter to nbs i can see is mines but heavy armor can just roll through them. Im not trying to start an argument i just want to see your reasoning.

Sure potato sorcs are easy to kill, not a very good example :P
In my personal opinion, its easier to kill a NB on a Sorc, than to kill a Sorc on NB. If you know what I mean.

Mines prevent that "wait for 5 sec, then Fear" thing, Shields prevent a large part of your burst which comes from critical damage, Curse to pressure you even in stealth, Frag's during gap close, Streak through a roll dodge, Fury that is a insta kill if you ever reach 20%, access to Destro ult which every sorc uses anyway. The only thing that counters NBs harder than sorc is probably magicka DKs with all their DoTs and roots.

Getting a medium armor stamblade to 20% health is easy, like really easy.

Same here, I main a sorc and "second main" stamblade. Thing is when both are good players, although the NB might be able to reset and control the fight more than the Sorc, you have little chance of killing them.

Derra

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

AlphaNicole wrote: »

You forgot 30k ripcaps, perma stuns

Show me a screen shot of someone doing a 30k incap. Please. Oh wait... You're just *** because you can't kill a NB on the hard counter class (Sorc).

[edited to remove profanity masking]

How exactly do sorcs hard counter nbs? From my experience maining sorc and fighting them on my stam nb, most are pretty easy to kill. I just count to 5, fear, ambush, incap and a suprise attack (execute if none of this crits). The only hard counter to nbs i can see is mines but heavy armor can just roll through them. Im not trying to start an argument i just want to see your reasoning.

Sure potato sorcs are easy to kill, not a very good example :P
In my personal opinion, its easier to kill a NB on a Sorc, than to kill a Sorc on NB. If you know what I mean.

Mines prevent that "wait for 5 sec, then Fear" thing, Shields prevent a large part of your burst which comes from critical damage, Curse to pressure you even in stealth, Frag's during gap close, Streak through a roll dodge, Fury that is a insta kill if you ever reach 20%, access to Destro ult which every sorc uses anyway. The only thing that counters NBs harder than sorc is probably magicka DKs with all their DoTs and roots.

Getting a medium armor stamblade to 20% health is easy, like really easy.

Same here, I main a sorc and "second main" stamblade. Thing is when both are good players, although the NB might be able to reset and control the fight more than the Sorc, you have little chance of killing them.

If the sorc never leaves their mines. Which is an option for dueling - but in cyro?