Should fear automatically cc break at no cost when you take damage?

Lord-Otto

Yes

Good. Then give me my original shields back. Obviously, MagSorcs are supposed to be DD-Tanks, that's why they have that shield.
I'm out. This is tiresome.

LjAnimalchin

Should there be a rule against making multiple threads on the same subject? I think so.

arkansas_ESO

No, and I have no soul.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It should break. Not on every single whimp, but certain damage. Like Fossilize.

Don't get why the only AoE CC also has ridiculous duration, goes through block and dodge, can give positioning advantage and also lowers enemy damage all at once, while being blatantly buggy. It's OP as hell and should be brought in line, without breaking it for the class.

So basically, break it for the class without breaking it for the class?

No, bring it in line with Streak and Fossilize. NBs don't need yet another tremendous advantage.
I really don't want to break it.
Hm...

What if we halve duration? It would hardly break it.
Or say, it breaks on second non-weapon attack.

You know, just to put a slight limit on it. Balance.

If they bring it in line they need to buff nightblades else where they don't have the defense of a sorc or dk or major mending like a dk. Nightblades literally don't have any defensive abilities except for blur. The reason fear is so strong is because nightblades can't turtle up on defense like other classes. So fear allows them a way to stop combos and flip them from defensive to offensive.

I agree. Fear allows NBs to flip from defensive to offensive by having an unbreakable CC more times than not.

I only get trapped in fear maybe 1℅ of the time. I don't know what I'm doing differently. What I did notice using fear is that more experienced players usually don't have trouble breaking free of it. Most of the players who don't break free are usually the people who get 1vX or brand new players who don't know what's going on. I know I'm feared even if I don't see the animation. Note what I'm referring to is situations when it's not laggy. I acknowledge fear is unbreakable a lot in laggy conditions, but no more than any other cc.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Stamsorcs also don't have Major Mending.
Nightblades have Minor Maim.
And yes, Cloak. It will work again next patch.
You don't need a buggy OHKO CC to be balanced, don't be ridiculous. Putting a limit on Fear won't break the ganking class.

Stam sorcs have great healing though they don't even have to use a 2hand weapon. Crit surge and dark deal with vigor is more than enough. So even if they don't have major mending they have so much healing coming from other places. Honestly Stam sorc is the most broken class in the game. Both sorc specs are op right now. Having fear break on damage is just rewarding bad gameplay. why should someone be rewarded for running out of stamina. Nightblade is suppose to be a class about applying pressure. Fear allows you to pressure someone's stamina pool if it broke on damage it wouldn't allow you to do that anymore.

Lol, no.
MagSorcs are not OP. Cyro is won by gapclosing EotS AoE Rooters. Usually, Magblades deliver Gapcloser, AoE and EotS. With templars providing heals and DKs roots. If sorcs would be OP, we'd see a lot of Shieldbreakers, for sure.
How is it bad gameplay reward when fear breaks? My Streak stun for a bit more than a second, Frags two. Why should NBs get an extra sausage here?
NBs are a class about picking your target, not pressure. They can oneshot you out of stealth, that is their gimmick. Having the best AoE CC makes no sense, as they are supposed to keep out of those fights. If you want to make them more group-friendly, cool. But then you have to take away the one-shot potential (something unique to ESO, btw). Everything else is a double standard.

I honestly don't think you play the game, lol. Sorcs have Encase, the best root in the game.

Lord-Otto

Yes

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It should break. Not on every single whimp, but certain damage. Like Fossilize.

Don't get why the only AoE CC also has ridiculous duration, goes through block and dodge, can give positioning advantage and also lowers enemy damage all at once, while being blatantly buggy. It's OP as hell and should be brought in line, without breaking it for the class.

So basically, break it for the class without breaking it for the class?

No, bring it in line with Streak and Fossilize. NBs don't need yet another tremendous advantage.
I really don't want to break it.
Hm...

What if we halve duration? It would hardly break it.
Or say, it breaks on second non-weapon attack.

You know, just to put a slight limit on it. Balance.

If they bring it in line they need to buff nightblades else where they don't have the defense of a sorc or dk or major mending like a dk. Nightblades literally don't have any defensive abilities except for blur. The reason fear is so strong is because nightblades can't turtle up on defense like other classes. So fear allows them a way to stop combos and flip them from defensive to offensive.

I agree. Fear allows NBs to flip from defensive to offensive by having an unbreakable CC more times than not.

I only get trapped in fear maybe 1℅ of the time. I don't know what I'm doing differently. What I did notice using fear is that more experienced players usually don't have trouble breaking free of it. Most of the players who don't break free are usually the people who get 1vX or brand new players who don't know what's going on. I know I'm feared even if I don't see the animation. Note what I'm referring to is situations when it's not laggy. I acknowledge fear is unbreakable a lot in laggy conditions, but no more than any other cc.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Stamsorcs also don't have Major Mending.
Nightblades have Minor Maim.
And yes, Cloak. It will work again next patch.
You don't need a buggy OHKO CC to be balanced, don't be ridiculous. Putting a limit on Fear won't break the ganking class.

Stam sorcs have great healing though they don't even have to use a 2hand weapon. Crit surge and dark deal with vigor is more than enough. So even if they don't have major mending they have so much healing coming from other places. Honestly Stam sorc is the most broken class in the game. Both sorc specs are op right now. Having fear break on damage is just rewarding bad gameplay. why should someone be rewarded for running out of stamina. Nightblade is suppose to be a class about applying pressure. Fear allows you to pressure someone's stamina pool if it broke on damage it wouldn't allow you to do that anymore.

Lol, no.
MagSorcs are not OP. Cyro is won by gapclosing EotS AoE Rooters. Usually, Magblades deliver Gapcloser, AoE and EotS. With templars providing heals and DKs roots. If sorcs would be OP, we'd see a lot of Shieldbreakers, for sure.
How is it bad gameplay reward when fear breaks? My Streak stun for a bit more than a second, Frags two. Why should NBs get an extra sausage here?
NBs are a class about picking your target, not pressure. They can oneshot you out of stealth, that is their gimmick. Having the best AoE CC makes no sense, as they are supposed to keep out of those fights. If you want to make them more group-friendly, cool. But then you have to take away the one-shot potential (something unique to ESO, btw). Everything else is a double standard.

I honestly don't think you play the game, lol. Sorcs have Encase, the best root in the game.

And your point is?
Encase is useless unless you have a dedicated EotS group. Lemme rephrase that. It is not useful enough to sacrifice one of our precious slots. Unless group.
And even with a group, magblades deal the damage best. Well, and magDKs, but since they have to tank to survive, you rarely see them pulling high damage numbers.

This has derailed far enough. I'll summarize my single point that Fear should have a cap (2 secs?) because every other hard CC has (Fossilize, Rune Cage). It is very imbalanced in that regard. And I don't see the necessity. Why should a nightblade get that cheese button? And don't tell me they have to, because you'll only run magicka builds out of stamina. Following that logic, you should be running from all those melee brawlers.
Just wanna see Fear on par with the mentioned skills while still maintaining its unique strengths (blockdrop, AoE, animation, positioning, snare, maim, shadow barrier).

Is this really too much to ask? Should we instead nerf Sorcs again?

Minalan

No, and I have no soul.

You know one of the reasons I jump around?

You know it's mostly the timing, and something interesting to do. But fun fact, often if you're lucky you won't be encased at all.

Vaoh

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It should break. Not on every single whimp, but certain damage. Like Fossilize.

Don't get why the only AoE CC also has ridiculous duration, goes through block and dodge, can give positioning advantage and also lowers enemy damage all at once, while being blatantly buggy. It's OP as hell and should be brought in line, without breaking it for the class.

For the record, Mass Hysteria isn't the only AOE CC, Werewolf's Roar does the same thing.

To the original point: why nerf fear? The issue is the animation transition as @Derra pointed out, and it's an issue with other CCs like Flame Clench, Dizzying Swing, vampire's drain, etc., so it makes no sense to single out NB's CC and then leave these alone.

It also heavily snares all affected targets for easier zerging down/tougher repositioning after Fear moves you. Js