Should exploiting Infernal Guardian as a stealth finder knowing it's broken be a perma-ban offense?

Biro123

Hammy01 wrote: »

It is annoying that it targets players in stealth but to me it is even more annoying that someone on the ground can spam shields and wreck my oil pots above them with the morters.

Now I think that was actually its intended use.. its not going through a wall - but lobbing over the top. Whether that has changed in the PTS or not, I don't know.

CatchMeTrolling

Derra wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lol yeah people need to keep applying shields when they're zerging you down, don't be naive it's pretty obvious when someone is unaware & when someone is spamming shields plus trying to streak and whatever zerg tactics people use.

All for the argument saying there's people unaware but don't be dimwitted & act as if everyone is innocent lol that's an insufferable way of looking at things, if anything by playing this game for so long I've learned this community is more guilty than innocent the majority of the time. Let's not act as if people never used broken sets and abilities like camo hunter knowingly, please don't.

Acting like not recasting shields permanently in any combat situation would be an option on a magica sorc or NB does not help your point.

You know what happens when you zerg someone down and you forget to reapply shields? That someone turns around and twoshots the sorc. I know because i do this very thing all the time.
The best target i can possibly hope for when i get chased by bunch of angry tryhards feeling entitled on murdering me 10v1 is a bloodthirsty inexperienced magica sorc.
I know that even though i will die that this is the best chance at taking someone with me.

That´s why every half decent magica player keeps spamming shields nowadays even though they´re zerging you. They´re afraid (sometimes it might be combined with the purpose of decloaking someone) - but mainly they´re afraid and rightfully so.

So you don't get it either? Everyone is innocent & don't use it for its unintended purpose? Or do you just look at it from one perspective while failing to see others lol ok

thankyourat

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Orrr... You could just fight like anyone else, instead of getting free instakills just because you chose a certain class once.

What if you are a solo nightblade and not a gank build and was in a fight that turned bad because more enemy showed up, and you are just trying to run away. But infernal guardian keeps on pulling you out of stealth

Just die and respawn like everyone who isn't a nightblade?

Lol ever tried to catch a stam sorc? Good luck. Isn't that one of the reason people play nightblade so they can escape fights?

Derra wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lol yeah people need to keep applying shields when they're zerging you down, don't be naive it's pretty obvious when someone is unaware & when someone is spamming shields plus trying to streak and whatever zerg tactics people use.

All for the argument saying there's people unaware but don't be dimwitted & act as if everyone is innocent lol that's an insufferable way of looking at things, if anything by playing this game for so long I've learned this community is more guilty than innocent the majority of the time. Let's not act as if people never used broken sets and abilities like camo hunter knowingly, please don't.

Acting like not recasting shields permanently in any combat situation would be an option on a magica sorc or NB does not help your point.

You know what happens when you zerg someone down and you forget to reapply shields? That someone turns around and twoshots the sorc. I know because i do this very thing all the time.
The best target i can possibly hope for when i get chased by bunch of angry tryhards feeling entitled on murdering me 10v1 is a bloodthirsty inexperienced magica sorc.
I know that even though i will die that this is the best chance at taking someone with me.

That´s why every half decent magica player keeps spamming shields nowadays even though they´re zerging you. They´re afraid (sometimes it might be combined with the purpose of decloaking someone) - but mainly they´re afraid and rightfully so.

You can tell when they are doing it on purpose though because of the rate in which they reapply shields. Why else would you cast a shield every second if you aren't trying to exploit this bug. it make me mad when people in large groups are reckless with their resources in general

mvffins

Hammy01 wrote: »

it is even more annoying that someone on the ground can spam shields and wreck my oil pots above them with the morters.

I see this as an actual problem as the Infernal Guardian makes sieging against oil pots drastically easier.

Revealing stealthed targets though? There are already plenty of ways to reveal them already in game, and just because Infernal Guardian spots them out a tad bit easier doesn't mean it is broken in this sense.

Just face it the Nightblade's cloak was meant to give them easy kills against noobs with a stun lock chain, not easy kills against everybody.

josh.lackey_ESO

Shields last 6 seconds, and there are 3 of them. Of course you always spam them.

Jaronking

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

No.

Then I want everyone who's using Viper banned too. And everyone who's abusing Selene so it can proc 2 times instead of one. Both sets are broken and can double proc, even triple-proc in certain situations.

They are fixing this the next patch, if I understood Patch Notes correctly.

I also agree anyone who uses these sets or any damage proc set should be banned from the game and never allowed back ESO doesn't players like you.

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed a couple of posts that were a bit too inflammatory before they could derail this conversation. We understand this is a contentious subject and remind everyone to keep your comments constructive and civil.

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Orrr... You could just fight like anyone else, instead of getting free instakills just because you chose a certain class once.

What if you are a solo nightblade and not a gank build and was in a fight that turned bad because more enemy showed up, and you are just trying to run away. But infernal guardian keeps on pulling you out of stealth

That would be the same problem every other class has to deal with.

Lord-Otto

Derra wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lol yeah people need to keep applying shields when they're zerging you down, don't be naive it's pretty obvious when someone is unaware & when someone is spamming shields plus trying to streak and whatever zerg tactics people use.

All for the argument saying there's people unaware but don't be dimwitted & act as if everyone is innocent lol that's an insufferable way of looking at things, if anything by playing this game for so long I've learned this community is more guilty than innocent the majority of the time. Let's not act as if people never used broken sets and abilities like camo hunter knowingly, please don't.

Acting like not recasting shields permanently in any combat situation would be an option on a magica sorc or NB does not help your point.

You know what happens when you zerg someone down and you forget to reapply shields? That someone turns around and twoshots the sorc. I know because i do this very thing all the time.
The best target i can possibly hope for when i get chased by bunch of angry tryhards feeling entitled on murdering me 10v1 is a bloodthirsty inexperienced magica sorc.
I know that even though i will die that this is the best chance at taking someone with me.

That´s why every half decent magica player keeps spamming shields nowadays even though they´re zerging you. They´re afraid (sometimes it might be combined with the purpose of decloaking someone) - but mainly they´re afraid and rightfully so.

Aaand Derra just won ESO. Well-said and full of experience!

Derra

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lol yeah people need to keep applying shields when they're zerging you down, don't be naive it's pretty obvious when someone is unaware & when someone is spamming shields plus trying to streak and whatever zerg tactics people use.

All for the argument saying there's people unaware but don't be dimwitted & act as if everyone is innocent lol that's an insufferable way of looking at things, if anything by playing this game for so long I've learned this community is more guilty than innocent the majority of the time. Let's not act as if people never used broken sets and abilities like camo hunter knowingly, please don't.

Acting like not recasting shields permanently in any combat situation would be an option on a magica sorc or NB does not help your point.

You know what happens when you zerg someone down and you forget to reapply shields? That someone turns around and twoshots the sorc. I know because i do this very thing all the time.
The best target i can possibly hope for when i get chased by bunch of angry tryhards feeling entitled on murdering me 10v1 is a bloodthirsty inexperienced magica sorc.
I know that even though i will die that this is the best chance at taking someone with me.

That´s why every half decent magica player keeps spamming shields nowadays even though they´re zerging you. They´re afraid (sometimes it might be combined with the purpose of decloaking someone) - but mainly they´re afraid and rightfully so.

So you don't get it either? Everyone is innocent & don't use it for its unintended purpose? Or do you just look at it from one perspective while failing to see others lol ok

I´m saying the option to not reapply atleast two shields every 6 seconds is nonexistant for the average magica sorc.
That means 2 out of 6 casts will be shields.
This gets increased by hardened ward being used to keep the fragment procc active when you can´t see your target.

I´m not saying people don´t do it on purpose. I´m saying that even if they didn´t do it on purpose you´d not be able to tell the difference in 90% of the cases.

Serjustin19

So that's the name of that set. Funny story. So there is this 1 dc sorc. Who uses this set. Got killed by other day. By that dc sorc. However yesterday. I was inside keep. On floor. Waiting for reinforcements to show on ad.

I was standing by transition shrine. By keep door. Inner keep door was fully repaired. DC started attacking inner keep door with ram. Then suddenly those mortars came through the inner door and started to attack me inside by transation by door.

Keep door was 85% I got hit really hard inside keep. Because I was a vampire. On 3rd hit I got killed. AD reinforcements not show. DC broke in. Keep lost.

Sadly I don't have proof. I actually thought that set was supposed to attack throughout doors lol. I think

Waffennacht

Serjustin19 wrote: »

So that's the name of that set. Funny story. So there is this 1 dc sorc. Who uses this set. Got killed by other day. By that dc sorc. However yesterday. I was inside keep. On floor. Waiting for reinforcements to show on ad.

I was standing by transition shrine. By keep door. Inner keep door was fully repaired. DC started attacking inner keep door with ram. Then suddenly those mortars came through the inner door and started to attack me inside by transation by door.

Keep door was 85% I got hit really hard inside keep. Because I was a vampire. On 3rd hit I got killed. AD reinforcements not show. DC broke in. Keep lost.

Sadly I don't have proof. I actually thought that set was supposed to attack throughout doors lol. I think

Big Red Circles by your feet sneak up on you?

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Orrr... You could just fight like anyone else, instead of getting free instakills just because you chose a certain class once.

What if you are a solo nightblade and not a gank build and was in a fight that turned bad because more enemy showed up, and you are just trying to run away. But infernal guardian keeps on pulling you out of stealth

That would be the same problem every other class has to deal with.

Well if that's the case give nightblades major mending and a class shield so they can absorb damage instead of avoiding it. Cause the way the nightblade class works is you either are doing damage or you're running away. If a nightblade is turtling up on defense they are going to die. If a player wants to play like that roll a nightblade

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Orrr... You could just fight like anyone else, instead of getting free instakills just because you chose a certain class once.

What if you are a solo nightblade and not a gank build and was in a fight that turned bad because more enemy showed up, and you are just trying to run away. But infernal guardian keeps on pulling you out of stealth

That would be the same problem every other class has to deal with.

Well if that's the case give nightblades major mending and a class shield so they can absorb damage instead of avoiding it. Cause the way the nightblade class works is you either are doing damage or you're running away. If a nightblade is turtling up on defense they are going to die. If a player wants to play like that roll a nightblade

Same for Sorcs without shields. And yet Shieldbreaker exists.

Ghost-Shot

No it should be fixed.

aLi3nZ

I never knew Infernal guardian did this until you created this thread. I then when and farmed it. It's like a sorcs best friend right now.

tonemd

Waffennacht wrote: »

Serjustin19 wrote: »

So that's the name of that set. Funny story. So there is this 1 dc sorc. Who uses this set. Got killed by other day. By that dc sorc. However yesterday. I was inside keep. On floor. Waiting for reinforcements to show on ad.

I was standing by transition shrine. By keep door. Inner keep door was fully repaired. DC started attacking inner keep door with ram. Then suddenly those mortars came through the inner door and started to attack me inside by transation by door.

Keep door was 85% I got hit really hard inside keep. Because I was a vampire. On 3rd hit I got killed. AD reinforcements not show. DC broke in. Keep lost.

Sadly I don't have proof. I actually thought that set was supposed to attack throughout doors lol. I think

Big Red Circles by your feet sneak up on you?

Ah. You only fight one person at a time. Good for you.

Thornen

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

thankyourat

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

All CCs are buggy in lag. I've been hit with a frag and couldn't cc break. Lag isn't a exploit knowing a set is not working as intended and abusing it is a exploit

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

All CCs are buggy in lag. I've been hit with a frag and couldn't cc break. Lag isn't a exploit knowing a set is not working as intended and abusing it is a exploit

No, fear is known to be the worst. You can't even see it happening instantly, unlike frags. Overusing that is the very same as pointing fingers towards shielding sorcs.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

All CCs are buggy in lag. I've been hit with a frag and couldn't cc break. Lag isn't a exploit knowing a set is not working as intended and abusing it is a exploit

No, fear is known to be the worst. You can't even see it happening instantly, unlike frags. Overusing that is the very same as pointing fingers towards shielding sorcs.

I don't think fear is know to be more buggy. I think fear just seems that way because of the long duration. It's no more buggy than frag or dizzying swing. The only thing is fear doesn't break on damage and has a long duration so it's more noticable. Every shielding sorc isn't exploiting, you can tell when they are exploiting because they are casting shields over and over again back to back while taking no damage. Why cast a shield every second when it last for 6 seconds if you aren't trying to exploit

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

All CCs are buggy in lag. I've been hit with a frag and couldn't cc break. Lag isn't a exploit knowing a set is not working as intended and abusing it is a exploit

No, fear is known to be the worst. You can't even see it happening instantly, unlike frags. Overusing that is the very same as pointing fingers towards shielding sorcs.

I don't think fear is know to be more buggy. I think fear just seems that way because of the long duration. It's no more buggy than frag or dizzying swing. The only thing is fear doesn't break on damage and has a long duration so it's more noticable. Every shielding sorc isn't exploiting, you can tell when they are exploiting because they are casting shields over and over again back to back while taking no damage. Why cast a shield every second when it last for 6 seconds if you aren't trying to exploit

Nonono. You know exactly that fear doesn't show the screaming animation often enough. Nightblades happily exploit that to get a combo off. Quick search on this forum shows you how people are aware and hate/abuse it.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

All CCs are buggy in lag. I've been hit with a frag and couldn't cc break. Lag isn't a exploit knowing a set is not working as intended and abusing it is a exploit

No, fear is known to be the worst. You can't even see it happening instantly, unlike frags. Overusing that is the very same as pointing fingers towards shielding sorcs.

I don't think fear is know to be more buggy. I think fear just seems that way because of the long duration. It's no more buggy than frag or dizzying swing. The only thing is fear doesn't break on damage and has a long duration so it's more noticable. Every shielding sorc isn't exploiting, you can tell when they are exploiting because they are casting shields over and over again back to back while taking no damage. Why cast a shield every second when it last for 6 seconds if you aren't trying to exploit

Nonono. You know exactly that fear doesn't show the screaming animation often enough. Nightblades happily exploit that to get a combo off. Quick search on this forum shows you how people are aware and hate/abuse it.

Lol what? I know exactly when I get feared. The only problem I notice with fear is the laggy cc break, but I notice that with all CCs. With fear even if for some reason I don't see or hear the animation (which I rarely encounter) I immediately notice when I lose control of my character. Once again though that's a problem with lag and not fear. I also notice that with fossilized when I lose complete control of my character but the animation of me turning into a statue is delayed. Fear works fine without lag

Stoopid_Nwah

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Should playing the game be bannable if yes then yes....

I thought using exploits has always been a banable

If so, we should ban every single Nightblade, because all of them exploit that buggy fear.

All CCs are buggy in lag. I've been hit with a frag and couldn't cc break. Lag isn't a exploit knowing a set is not working as intended and abusing it is a exploit

No, fear is known to be the worst. You can't even see it happening instantly, unlike frags. Overusing that is the very same as pointing fingers towards shielding sorcs.

I don't think fear is know to be more buggy. I think fear just seems that way because of the long duration. It's no more buggy than frag or dizzying swing. The only thing is fear doesn't break on damage and has a long duration so it's more noticable. Every shielding sorc isn't exploiting, you can tell when they are exploiting because they are casting shields over and over again back to back while taking no damage. Why cast a shield every second when it last for 6 seconds if you aren't trying to exploit

Nonono. You know exactly that fear doesn't show the screaming animation often enough. Nightblades happily exploit that to get a combo off. Quick search on this forum shows you how people are aware and hate/abuse it.

Sounds like the NBs you speak of are just animation cancelling fear...not sure why you need to see the "scream" either? I don't have many issues breaking fear unless it's laggy but then everything is more difficult in lag. What cc is actually broken however is draining/magnum shot, can't stand getting knocked back twice in a row. And when people do that intentionally then I'd consider it abuse. Casting fear though? no. It's the strongest cc imo and that's where a lot of the hate comes from (along with it belonging to the most hated class in the game).

And seriously the number of sorcs that chase while just spamming shields is disgusting. That's actual exploitation of unintended mechanics.

Lord-Otto

It's not like you can immediately break free from it. Even when you expect it, there seems to be a unique, arbitrary window that won't let you free.
On top of missing visual and audio clues, of course.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's not like you can immediately break free from it. Even when you expect it, there seems to be a unique, arbitrary window that won't let you free.
On top of missing visual and audio clues, of course.

Yes but that's every hard cc. if you a fighting someone that's good with their animations if you take a cc most of the time you will take a unblockable hit following the cc. Like if you take a dizzying swing you will probably take a unblockable dbos right after. Every cc works like that and needs to work like that or how would you kill anyone in this game?

Lord-Otto

No, that's not what I mean. Fear is especially nasty there. That break free window is longer for some reason.

DHale

10/10 for silliest thread ever. I have to recast my shields every 6 seconds. That's just for one shield.