Almost Every PVP Death Recap Shows Eye of Flame or Storm

Lord-Otto

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

Am sorry you never learn how to dodge the ability but I really can't take someone seriously who trying compare EOTS to Dawnbreaker.

Dodge an instant ability on a mag toon? O-kayyy. Dawnbreaker with half the cost of EotS and instant nuke damage that stuns and goes through dodge is not OP? O-kayyy.

Proctato confirmed.

Jaronking

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

Am sorry you never learn how to dodge the ability but I really can't take someone seriously who trying compare EOTS to Dawnbreaker.

Dodge an instant ability on a mag toon? O-kayyy. Dawnbreaker with half the cost of EotS and instant nuke damage that stuns and goes through dodge is not OP? O-kayyy.

Proctato confirmed.

So you telling me you never dodged a WB spammer?Its the same principal its obvious your just a scrub trying defend his cheese.Your probably a guy who get kills by someone spamming WB.This is probably something you don't know so am help you out.If you Block something even a magic build can do the Dawnbreaker won't stun you.

Hey I can get multiple people in here telling you what I run only proc set I use is Bloodspawn @Ron_Burgundy_79 can confirm it.

EOTS scrub who can finally get kills confirmed @Lord-Otto .

Bandit1215

Honestly I dont see how anyone can call magic classes at all close in power to stam classes in pvp because of ONE ultimate that costs 250. While yes destro ultimate is over performimg, stampina classes have way better 5 piece AND undaunted sets.

rgullaksenb16_ESO

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Clueless. All of you. Except, not all, actually.

You can't block it, you can't dodge it.
Guess what, magicka builds also can't reliably block animation cancelled Dawnbreakers and Incaps. Dodge obviously neither.
Welcome to our world, gentlemen. Dodge and block seem to be very strong tools and it sucks not being able to use 'em, eh?
(^_-)

Yes, magicka has shields, but stamina has Vigor. Shields can't be crit but can't crit themselves. Vigor can crit and is affected by armor, but you need impen. I've seen people shield through EotS and vigor/ralley through. That's not it.

Two EotS hurt, but two Incaps also hurt. DB is also AoE. Admittedly, EotS is stronger in groups, but synchronized ults have always been dangerous. So what sets EotS apart?

It's, as some already mentioned, the inability to kite it.
Mobility is such a powerful advantage in PvP. There is a reason why you see many vids of people 1vX'ing by running around trees. Stamina builds are inherently more mobile, which has made them so OP AF in the past. Now that stamina builds are experiencing the same problems magicka builds have for years, y'all start to realize something more drastic needs to be done. Hopefully.

Snares need to be weakened. Roots need to have a cooldown. Gapclosers need to be shorter. Basic mobility must be given to all classes.
Nerfing EotS will do nothing but put magicka back into the gutter. We need more equality. If you can break free with stamina, I should do that with magicka. If you break roots with stamina, I should do it with magicka. Leave the secondary resource to utility, not survival. You got Dark Deal, Fossilize and Cloak, we should have Rapids and Shuffle. You get the idea.

This game's mechanics need a major overhaul, not more bandaid "fixes". If people, players, the devs, don't see that now, when stamina and magicka alike just get nuked by exaggerated mechanics, I don't know what will open eyes.

Make ESO great again in 2017!

Finally someone with a brain!

Stratforge

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Honestly I dont see how anyone can call magic classes at all close in power to stam classes in pvp because of ONE ultimate that costs 250. While yes destro ultimate is over performimg, stampina classes have way better 5 piece AND undaunted sets.

Yeah, obviously.

Magicka classes are still largely underpowered because ZoS fixed exactly none of the underlying issues that were making them difficult to play in the first place AND added proc sets that provide free damage for stam players who can manage to press one button. This is a problem. ZoS' "solution" was to make a magicka ulti that is incredibly, broken-strong.

People are right to complain about the destro ulti because it is literally ruining the game. Players are also properly complaining about proc sets because they are OP and cater to the most skill-less of the skill-less. Somehow a subset of the people who are complaining about one of these things have become convinced that someone complaining about the other broken thing thinks that stam or magicka, respectively, deserves to fail and should be nerfed into oblivion. In reality nobody with a brain thinks or wants that.

EOTS needs to be toned down or better yet just removed. Like, good try ZoS but it turns out it's terrible for the game. Make it bad like the rest of the weapon ults and make it do double damage to PvE monsters so the Dungeoneers don't cry. Alternatively, remove the version that stays with the caster. Alternatively, make it so while you have the version that stays with you active, you can't cast other abilities (a la Soul Assault; because that's basically what it is, an AoE Soul Assault that stupidly lets you cast other abilities while its active). Honestly there are a bunch of ways they could make it less broken.

As for proc sets, make them dots with the same damage they currently do. Still useful or whatever for PvE but it will go a long ways to making Cyro tolerable again. As an added bonus, every Procky Balboa who thinks they magically got good at the game in one patch can fade back into anonymity or go play something easier.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

With DB you can walk through it, but jumping through it or even jumping to side will cause the DB to miss, and blocking it will prevent the stun. The only way to guarantee a hit with DB is to cc them first. And if you aren't a nightblade or using reverb you may have a difficult time actually landing a cc, but that's only 1v1 against good players. Dbos is really good open world though because you aren't always fighting high caliber players and it's instant cancelable damage. Dbos is a little op but that's only because stamina burst is op. It's why incap hits so much harder than soul harvest on most builds despite having the same base damage

Jaronking

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

With DB you can walk through it, but jumping through it or even jumping to side will cause the DB to miss, and blocking it will prevent the stun. The only way to guarantee a hit with DB is to cc them first. And if you aren't a nightblade or using reverb you may have a difficult time actually landing a cc, but that's only 1v1 against good players. Dbos is really good open world though because you aren't always fighting high caliber players and it's instant cancelable damage. Dbos is a little op but that's only because stamina burst is op. It's why incap hits so much harder than soul harvest on most builds despite having the same base damage

Thank you.

Kram8ion

Oh god it's like pvp crack and its avoidance is easier now because it's used so predictably in pvp

Domander

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

So which is it? Is stam OP because of proc sets or is magic OP because of the Destro Ultimate? Maybe, try not standing in it...

I think a good change would be lowering the damage of both but.......

increase the duration of the ultimate. Increase the proc chance of affected sets and lower the proc cooldown....essentially the same damage over time for both but less burst.

SaRuZ

What's sad is watching EP Emp group spam Eye of The Flame all day in Haderus Xbox NA yesterday. Imagine a zerg of reds with 25 of them syncing EoTF. I gave up and went to fight AD. You can't avoid or block it. Ive had recaps showing EoTF - 30k dmg & Detonation - 15k dmg by the same guy. 45k dmg in 2 seconds? Oh man that 16k from viper/tremor not looking so OP now aye?

Lord-Otto

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

Am sorry you never learn how to dodge the ability but I really can't take someone seriously who trying compare EOTS to Dawnbreaker.

Dodge an instant ability on a mag toon? O-kayyy. Dawnbreaker with half the cost of EotS and instant nuke damage that stuns and goes through dodge is not OP? O-kayyy.

Proctato confirmed.

So you telling me you never dodged a WB spammer?Its the same principal its obvious your just a scrub trying defend his cheese.Your probably a guy who get kills by someone spamming WB.This is probably something you don't know so am help you out.If you Block something even a magic build can do the Dawnbreaker won't stun you.

Hey I can get multiple people in here telling you what I run only proc set I use is Bloodspawn @Ron_Burgundy_79 can confirm it.

EOTS scrub who can finally get kills confirmed @Lord-Otto .

You know the difference between instant and charge up, right? Comparing WB to DB just shows how little you know. Blocking on a mag char is also a good way to run you out of stamina.
I can tell you by what I get killed. Every single death recap shows at least one Viper.

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

With DB you can walk through it, but jumping through it or even jumping to side will cause the DB to miss, and blocking it will prevent the stun. The only way to guarantee a hit with DB is to cc them first. And if you aren't a nightblade or using reverb you may have a difficult time actually landing a cc, but that's only 1v1 against good players. Dbos is really good open world though because you aren't always fighting high caliber players and it's instant cancelable damage. Dbos is a little op but that's only because stamina burst is op. It's why incap hits so much harder than soul harvest on most builds despite having the same base damage

That's nice and dandy, but since you're constantly snared and see no animations on your screen, evading it is pure luck. It's also a cone, so at WB distance, you can barely miss.
This is not remotely comparable to an ultimate that gives a sound and a circle two seconds before it hits you.

JDar

Derra wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magicka player will tell you it's balanced tho

Take away the ability to gapclose/port with it and nobody will cry anymore (also implement a root/snare immunity).

I have been saying for months that cheap/repurcussionless gap closing abilities has been leading to idiotic gameplay styles and lazy positioning strategies. But the masses who run Crit Charge w/ viper into wrecking blow or Ambush into suprise attack, then YET another surprise attack with a poison, velidreth and viper's proc when you try to evade, keep saying

"Nah eric, it's cool this game is fun. Pretty fair IMHO"

Mean while all the AD stamblades with 40+ alliance ranks and their cookie cutter viper/velidreth builds laugh all the way to the AP vendor.

What sickens me is that those players actually think they are good. *iz*ra*u

M*a*

JDar

Dev wrote: »

Anyone ever try Nova, Negate magic, ward/shield/self-heal spamming, buffing resistances or streaking/gap closing to another target outside of the radius?

Almost every ability has a counter, so i wonder if this one has just gone unnoticed?

It will probably go unnoticed until Sypher comes out with a "Ludacris" build: Move B, get out the way, get out the way B get out the way!

Lord-Otto

Yup, Dar and Derra got it right.

Jaronking

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

Am sorry you never learn how to dodge the ability but I really can't take someone seriously who trying compare EOTS to Dawnbreaker.

Dodge an instant ability on a mag toon? O-kayyy. Dawnbreaker with half the cost of EotS and instant nuke damage that stuns and goes through dodge is not OP? O-kayyy.

Proctato confirmed.

So you telling me you never dodged a WB spammer?Its the same principal its obvious your just a scrub trying defend his cheese.Your probably a guy who get kills by someone spamming WB.This is probably something you don't know so am help you out.If you Block something even a magic build can do the Dawnbreaker won't stun you.

Hey I can get multiple people in here telling you what I run only proc set I use is Bloodspawn @Ron_Burgundy_79 can confirm it.

EOTS scrub who can finally get kills confirmed @Lord-Otto .

You know the difference between instant and charge up, right? Comparing WB to DB just shows how little you know. Blocking on a mag char is also a good way to run you out of stamina.
I can tell you by what I get killed. Every single death recap shows at least one Viper.

This sounds like a L2P issue for you gut gud kid its not hard to invade Dawnbreaker if your a good player and know what your doing.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

With DB you can walk through it, but jumping through it or even jumping to side will cause the DB to miss, and blocking it will prevent the stun. The only way to guarantee a hit with DB is to cc them first. And if you aren't a nightblade or using reverb you may have a difficult time actually landing a cc, but that's only 1v1 against good players. Dbos is really good open world though because you aren't always fighting high caliber players and it's instant cancelable damage. Dbos is a little op but that's only because stamina burst is op. It's why incap hits so much harder than soul harvest on most builds despite having the same base damage

That's nice and dandy, but since you're constantly snared and see no animations on your screen, evading it is pure luck. It's also a cone, so at WB distance, you can barely miss.
This is not remotely comparable to an ultimate that gives a sound and a circle two seconds before it hits you.

Yes I guess you could consider it luck but for the most part if anyone crit rushes you I just jump through them and I'm always moving around it makes it difficult for them to line up a DB. If you are paying attention you can also see the start of the animation and block it. Meteor is telegraphed but it hits so hard it would be broken without that circle. Meteor is the hardest hitting ultimate in the game and I would rather use it than dbos even if dbos was magic damage again. Because if I use meteor and fear them right after they can't block it. Most of the time if I use meteor the fight is pretty much over. Most builds can't survive the burst of a meteor plus assassins will. Dbos isn't as easy to avoid as dizzying swing, but it's still very avoidable 1v1. Open world it's a little harder because you have people attacking from all directions

Lokey0024

Every time its more then a 3v3 fight its a turtlefest and see who gets the destro ult first. Theres a zerg of like 10 templars that are basically unkillable on ps4 scourge, all wearing heavy and turtling with BoL spam to charge destro ults. Was cool the first time, but now its 90% of fights, the other 10% gankblades.

GreenSoup2HoT

@Lokey0024 Yeah im pretty excited for procs/destro ult to be nerfed.

a1i3nz

Gosh golly so many proctatos and *git gud comments in this thread!

I'm here for emotional support should anyone need it.

Scrubs

Lord-Otto

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

Gosh golly so many proctatos and *git gud comments in this thread!

I'm here for emotional support should anyone need it.

Scrubs

You're scrubbing the thread's floor? So sweet, darling! Good boy!

Brrrofski

If you want to know how op it is, just look at how many Templars have all of a sudden started using destro.

Lord-Otto

Brrrofski wrote: »

If you want to know how op it is, just look at how many Templars have all of a sudden started using destro.

That was exactly the idea.
It's been the general opinion that stam was better than mag after DB hit. So an overpowered mag ulti has us seeing more magicka play nowadays.
It's on the same tier as proc sets. But those I can't do anything against. I can live through EotS, unless root or gapclose spam begins. Mind you, no one complains about the stationary morph, not even the rooting one. So instead of blindly nerfing it and throwing us back to DB uselessness, rather increase counter-play.
We need more kiting and less snaring/rooting BS.

Skinzz

Xbox haderus NA in a nut shell:

Eye of flame
Eye of flame
Viper
Eye of flame
Viper
Velidreth
Eye of flame

Jaronking

xskinzcity wrote: »

Xbox haderus NA in a nut shell:

Eye of flame
Eye of flame
Viper
Eye of flame
Viper
Velidreth
Eye of flame

Hey it used to he
Veli
Viper scale
Eye of the Storm
Viper
Scale
Eye of the Storm
Eye of the storm.

Stratforge

xskinzcity wrote: »

Xbox haderus NA in a nut shell:

Eye of flame
Eye of flame
Viper
Eye of flame
Viper
Velidreth
Eye of flame

Ya. PvP is in rough shape. Tbh every sweatlord who runs 8 man destro ult groups should have a big ol asterix next to their rank.

Lord-Otto

Well, Procsets basically remain with the same function.
Bet EotS gets slaughtered in return.
Don't cry, you'll be back to stamina dominance soon!

Jaronking

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, Procsets basically remain with the same function.
Bet EotS gets slaughtered in return.
Don't cry, you'll be back to stamina dominance soon!

Yea because that one ultimate made magic viable. Doesn't matter that magica is still good even without the ultmate but whatever.

zuto40

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, Procsets basically remain with the same function.
Bet EotS gets slaughtered in return.
Don't cry, you'll be back to stamina dominance soon!

seems like someone doesnt know how to play in a proc meta, and no i dont use viper, widowmaker, any heavy armor outside of my 1 for undaunted, or any 2 piece proc monster set, just L2P and you'll do fine

KoreanAwtamatic

Blade cloak with heavy armor .... it really makes a difference. One vs one on my stamplar I pop blade cloak purify for major mending with vigor and survive easily. More then one destro and a cc your done either way