Almost Every PVP Death Recap Shows Eye of Flame or Storm

Lord-Otto

Clueless. All of you. Except, not all, actually.

You can't block it, you can't dodge it.
Guess what, magicka builds also can't reliably block animation cancelled Dawnbreakers and Incaps. Dodge obviously neither.
Welcome to our world, gentlemen. Dodge and block seem to be very strong tools and it sucks not being able to use 'em, eh?
(^_-)

Yes, magicka has shields, but stamina has Vigor. Shields can't be crit but can't crit themselves. Vigor can crit and is affected by armor, but you need impen. I've seen people shield through EotS and vigor/ralley through. That's not it.

Two EotS hurt, but two Incaps also hurt. DB is also AoE. Admittedly, EotS is stronger in groups, but synchronized ults have always been dangerous. So what sets EotS apart?

It's, as some already mentioned, the inability to kite it.
Mobility is such a powerful advantage in PvP. There is a reason why you see many vids of people 1vX'ing by running around trees. Stamina builds are inherently more mobile, which has made them so OP AF in the past. Now that stamina builds are experiencing the same problems magicka builds have for years, y'all start to realize something more drastic needs to be done. Hopefully.

Snares need to be weakened. Roots need to have a cooldown. Gapclosers need to be shorter. Basic mobility must be given to all classes.
Nerfing EotS will do nothing but put magicka back into the gutter. We need more equality. If you can break free with stamina, I should do that with magicka. If you break roots with stamina, I should do it with magicka. Leave the secondary resource to utility, not survival. You got Dark Deal, Fossilize and Cloak, we should have Rapids and Shuffle. You get the idea.

This game's mechanics need a major overhaul, not more bandaid "fixes". If people, players, the devs, don't see that now, when stamina and magicka alike just get nuked by exaggerated mechanics, I don't know what will open eyes.

Make ESO great again in 2017!

KisoValley

Complains about a ground aoe, but probably uses viper and other proc sets

Seems legit

Lord_Eomer

KisoValley wrote: »

Complains about a ground aoe, but probably uses viper and other proc sets

Seems legit

I am not complaining, i already said Proc Sets and Destro Ultimates both have changed how PVP was before One Tamerial.

I just started again and found too OP.

B/W I am enjoying EOTS a lot on my Mage Blade

bubbygink

I'm sorry, but I am cracking up that a self-proclaimed viper+black rose+tremorscale stam sorc (can you even get more meta than this?) is complaining about EotS being OP and always being in his death recap. Not sure I've seen more blatant case of the pot calling the kettle back on these forums. Guess you aren't happy with the current level of OPness of your build and need all of the few things that can kill you nerfed.

Having said that, and as a magblade who uses EotS frequently, I do agree that it is clearly overpowered. The proof is in the pudding - every destro player and their mothers are running EotS. If it was balanced, then we would see a lot more meteors and other ults, but its Destro Ults abound. There is a reason why everybody is running it...

Brutusmax1mus

It's the best ultimate in the game. Not dodgable, blockable, and you can still do your other dps or healing skills while doing it. Essentially they gave magicka a stronger proxy Det charge for zvz.

Make it blockable like every other ultimate in the game.

Lord-Otto

Sure, make it blockable.
Like the highly-telegraphed meteor. Or the slow-moving frags.
Because only stamina builds should be allowed to guarantee a high-damaging, animation-cancelled hit.
Do you even realize what you're saying? EotS is used because EVERY. OTHER. magicka ult is weak AF.

Lord-Otto

Oh, and Lotus Fan teleports you, ignoring terrain, with far range.
Streak gets me 8 metres, with increasing cost and screwing me with terrain.
Doesn't get you killed with EotS or Bats on. Breaks stealth. Vaporizes fleeing enemies.

Brutusmax1mus

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Sure, make it blockable.
Like the highly-telegraphed meteor. Or the slow-moving frags.
Because only stamina builds should be allowed to guarantee a high-damaging, animation-cancelled hit.
Do you even realize what you're saying? EotS is used because EVERY. OTHER. magicka ult is weak AF.

No stamina ultimate does that much damage for that much time while letting you attack at the same time. Which ultimates are you taking about exactly? Bc you can block or dodge almost every other ultimate in the game.

Jaronking

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

GreenSoup2HoT

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

My destro staff is only at lvl 5 so its gonna be quiet the grind for me to get the ultimate.

On your stam nb which destro did you use?
Do you think its worth it?
Did you go DW/Destro with weapon damage pots / power extraction or 2h/destro?

Im getting quiet bored only being a single target assassin on my stam blade and wanted to be more impactful in large fights. Since destro ult is so overpowered i thought of doing a steel tornado destro, havent seen anyone do it on console yet.

But yeah the ultimate is broken and complete cheese. couldnt agree more.

CatchMeTrolling

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

My destro staff is only at lvl 5 so its gonna be quiet the grind for me to get the ultimate.

On your stam nb which destro did you use?
Do you think its worth it?
Did you go DW/Destro with weapon damage pots / power extraction or 2h/destro?

Im getting quiet bored only being a single target assassin on my stam blade and wanted to be more impactful in large fights. Since destro ult is so overpowered i thought of doing a steel tornado destro, havent seen anyone do it on console yet.

But yeah the ultimate is broken and complete cheese. couldnt agree more.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Morning Kush/video/23653621

GreenSoup2HoT

@CatchMeTrolling

Was there a point posting that video? Your video doesn't even utilize Eye of the Storm which is what this whole threads discussion is regarding and what my comment you quoted was talking about.

If your trying to showcase how Emperors are cheese then you showcased it perfectly with your video. Soul Tether, Dawnbreaker, Bat Swarm or Eye of the Storm on an Emperor is going to be spammed every other second killing everyone.

In regards to none-emperor gameplay, Eye of the Storm currently in my honest opinion is over-tuned by a long shot. Its so over-tuned that its getting to the point where i've considered grinding up my destro staff skill-line so i can use the destro ult on my back bar with my stamina nightblade.

Anywho neat video. I wish PS4 had a pop locked 7 day campaign instead of 30 day.


Edit: Gimme a sec, i see you posted the wrong video. Watching it now.


Basically what i said above still holds true (except the crossed out part). Emperor can run anything and be a beast. To be honest it would be hilarious to see an Emperor use Brawler with EotS.

Pretty much shows the state of PVP right now. Spamming dark deal on a stam-sorc while using a magicka spec's ultimate because its so over-tuned.

I think that settles it, time to start farming my destro skill-line.

Paraflex

Ya that video shows the out of balance destro ult has even on Stam classes. His Stam sorc had black rose and 50k Heath plus he just heals through people with dark conversion talk about the new kind of cancer that will be spreading in the new months

Lord-Otto

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

Yup, Dawnbreaker is pretty strong and efficient, isn't it? You think a meteor would have been better, hm?

You see, even Sypher used to use stamina Dawnbreaker on a magicka build, because it is so frikkin good. But for some reason, that wasn't a big deal, eh?
(^_-)

CatchMeTrolling

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@CatchMeTrolling

Was there a point posting that video? Your video doesn't even utilize Eye of the Storm which is what this whole threads discussion is regarding and frankly what my comment you quoted was talking about.

If your trying to showcase how Emperors are cheese then you showcased it perfectly with your video. Soul Tether, Dawnbreaker, Bat Swarm or Eye of the Storm on an Emperor is going to be spammed every other second killing everyone.

In regards to none-emperor gameplay, Eye of the Storm currently in my honest opinion is over-tuned by a long shot. Its so over-tuned that its getting to the point where i've considered grinding up my destro staff skill-line so i can use the destro ult on my back bar with my stamina nightblade.

Anywho neat video. I wish PS4 had a pop locked 7 day campaign instead of 30 day.


Edit: Gimme a sec, i see you posted the wrong video. Watching it now.


Basically what i said above still holds true (except the crossed out part). Emperor can run anything and be a beast. To be honest it would be hilarious to see an Emperor use Brawler.

Pretty much shows the state of PVP right now. Spamming dark deal on a stam-sorc while using a magicka spec's ultimate because its so over-tuned.

I think that settles it, time to start farming my destro skill-line.

He does that without emperor and another guild mate does it as well lol

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Morning Kush/video/23784355

Jaronking

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

My destro staff is only at lvl 5 so its gonna be quiet the grind for me to get the ultimate.

On your stam nb which destro did you use?
Do you think its worth it?
Did you go DW/Destro with weapon damage pots / power extraction or 2h/destro?

Im getting quiet bored only being a single target assassin on my stam blade and wanted to be more impactful in large fights. Since destro ult is so overpowered i thought of doing a steel tornado destro, havent seen anyone do it on console yet.

But yeah the ultimate is broken and complete cheese. couldnt agree more.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/TheMovingWall/video/24936973 got it from him Am just not going run the viper veli going to go my sharpened VMa ice staff going rock alchemist with it.I went 2h Flame staff when DW be better you can spin to win while the ultimate going.

Jaronking

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

Yup, Dawnbreaker is pretty strong and efficient, isn't it? You think a meteor would have been better, hm?

You see, even Sypher used to use stamina Dawnbreaker on a magicka build, because it is so frikkin good. But for some reason, that wasn't a big deal, eh?
(^_-)

Not really Dawnbreaker works like WB actually and if you walk into the person it misses them.You won't miss a EOTS.Actually he didn't he went Meteor after the change he played with stamp dawnbreaker the first 2-3 days after the change and stop using it pretty quickly.Lmao Its funny how you try to say Dawnbreakers Op when it's cone AOE that a person can miss and doesn't even do half the damage of EOTS.

Lokey0024

Problem on ps4 is you are normally dead before you notice anything is hitting you.

Lord-Otto

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

Yup, Dawnbreaker is pretty strong and efficient, isn't it? You think a meteor would have been better, hm?

You see, even Sypher used to use stamina Dawnbreaker on a magicka build, because it is so frikkin good. But for some reason, that wasn't a big deal, eh?
(^_-)

Not really Dawnbreaker works like WB actually and if you walk into the person it misses them.You won't miss a EOTS.Actually he didn't he went Meteor after the change he played with stamp dawnbreaker the first 2-3 days after the change and stop using it pretty quickly.Lmao Its funny how you try to say Dawnbreakers Op when it's cone AOE that a person can miss and doesn't even do half the damage of EOTS.

I'm sure you can walk through a Dawnbreaker. With snares. It being instant. Barely being able to see it when animation cancelled. GTFO, dude.

Sypher still included it in his magsorc build. And many very good sorcs continued to use it. I also used it. And let me tell you, an undodgeable, very efficient and powerful AoE ult with even a DOT that also procs Implosion is absurdly strong.

Jaronking

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Ran EOTS on my stamblade its stupid wiped a group with that and Dawnbreaker.I popped the EOTS 2 seconds later had a Dawnbreaker Up,which allowed me to stun the rest of the group easy as pie.If you don't think this ultimate is broken your being blind to your cheese.

Yup, Dawnbreaker is pretty strong and efficient, isn't it? You think a meteor would have been better, hm?

You see, even Sypher used to use stamina Dawnbreaker on a magicka build, because it is so frikkin good. But for some reason, that wasn't a big deal, eh?
(^_-)

Not really Dawnbreaker works like WB actually and if you walk into the person it misses them.You won't miss a EOTS.Actually he didn't he went Meteor after the change he played with stamp dawnbreaker the first 2-3 days after the change and stop using it pretty quickly.Lmao Its funny how you try to say Dawnbreakers Op when it's cone AOE that a person can miss and doesn't even do half the damage of EOTS.

I'm sure you can walk through a Dawnbreaker. With snares. It being instant. Barely being able to see it when animation cancelled. GTFO, dude.

Sypher still included it in his magsorc build. And many very good sorcs continued to use it. I also used it. And let me tell you, an undodgeable, very efficient and powerful AoE ult with even a DOT that also procs Implosion is absurdly strong.

Yes you can if you can walk through a WB you can walk through a Dawnbreaker.Is it easy no doesn't mean you can't learn how to do it.Am sorry your not able to do it but I do it all the time on my stam blade and stamDk its no hard just takes practice and knowing when its about to be used.Usually if its someone running a 2h for example on a stamSOrc they try to hit you with a Swing then Dawnbreaker combo.

He used it because he was two lazy to unlock mages guild 10.Everyone hates unlocking mages guild he even said he should be using Meteor instead when he was running it.Let me point out a key word for you used to use it.Not anymore when it became stam magic builds stop using it.The Destro ultimate pre magic with all my points into stam it will do more damage on my Stam build then your Dawnbreaker on your magic sorc.Come on you are truly Arguing this right now your going a long way to defend your cheese.

Lord-Otto

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

Lord_Eomer

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Oh, and Lotus Fan teleports you, ignoring terrain, with far range.
Streak gets me 8 metres, with increasing cost and screwing me with terrain.
Doesn't get you killed with EotS or Bats on. Breaks stealth. Vaporizes fleeing enemies.

Bats are still survivable but EOTS (no way)

Bakkagami

I noticed that most people/groups that die to eots are just panicking and trying to run away like headless chickens. 80% of the time its easier to just cc the caster and ward/ heal through it. The harder hitting ones just require cc and kiting.... emphasis in both cases on the cc.

Too many people on both Mag a Stam side crying to nerf everything because they can't be bothered to adapt.

Lord-Otto

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Oh, and Lotus Fan teleports you, ignoring terrain, with far range.
Streak gets me 8 metres, with increasing cost and screwing me with terrain.
Doesn't get you killed with EotS or Bats on. Breaks stealth. Vaporizes fleeing enemies.

Bats are still survivable but EOTS (no way)

Because you can't escape from EotS. Because Lotus Fan. Lotus Fan is great.

Izaki

Idk I don't even bother getting out of the ultimate on my magicka sorc, I just stand there shield up and set up my burst. 9 times out of 10 I get a kill. In duels this ultimate is a real joke it doesn't do ***.

Jaronking

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I don't know what to tell you, man. When you're fighting people that miss their DB on you, I really can't take you seriously. Sorry.

Am sorry you never learn how to dodge the ability but I really can't take someone seriously who trying compare EOTS to Dawnbreaker.

aidenmoore

If you're solo player, your death recap probably Incap and any proc set. If you're a group PVP player, EoTS. Pick your poison.

Also, EoTS is OP. Everyone knows it.

cschwingeb14_ESO

EotS is of course OP. But at half the cost, Dawn breaker is also OP.

Proc sets are very powerful even against stam builds that have a bit of tankiness. But they are insane against light armor build.

You might as well play what works, everything is going to be rebalanced next patch

Brutusmax1mus

Bakkagami wrote: »

I noticed that most people/groups that die to eots are just panicking and trying to run away like headless chickens. 80% of the time its easier to just cc the caster and ward/ heal through it. The harder hitting ones just require cc and kiting.... emphasis in both cases on the cc.

Too many people on both Mag a Stam side crying to nerf everything because they can't be bothered to adapt.

Immovable pots, what then?

TreeHugger1

EoTs is strong though i am not surprised its wiping pugs,its so easy to group in this game...50 players group,they dont have to communicate all they have to do is to push together,target players and use their big number to "mitigate" damage,this is what beautiful with this ult unorganized groups get punished,yes there are many disadvantages "smallscales" groups abuse it and its hard to counter it though its possible(mist form totally counter it,streak,shade and then cloak,shield,heal,dodge,snare,root etc).
btw I rarely die to eots but in every death recap i have proc set..why? bc almost all of cyrodiil population use proc sets since last update,magicka and stamina players and all of them are just terrible...