I hate nightblades

kadar

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

This might be why I am struggling so hard. I can't run this game. I just can't. I cannot do certain things which this freaking Internet connection. I was always wondering why I would get hit by 6 abilities in 1 second. I use to think it was a macro user until I saw this. I lag so freaking hard. Yesterday I was doing white gold tower and we were there for 2 hours. Over 6 people came and left but we finished it eventually. I was always the first one to die.

...It took us this long to arrive at this conclusion? Ofc, you're going to have a hard time if you're internet sucks.

But whether intentional or not, you've farmed up a wealth of knowledge in this thread from people commenting offering suggestions to improve your play. So far, all you've done is adamantly refuse that there's anything you can do to improve (when that's clearly not the case). You've got two choices. Learn nothing and continue to make threads complaining about class balance, or go back over the advice given in this thread, make changes, and get better. It's totally up to you.

SilentBoomstick

For those of you that keep telling me that I shouldn't use clever alchemist for a duel I'd like to let you know that I don't. I use 5 morkuldon 3 agility 1 bloodspawn and 1 keena. I also use 2h and bow with regular golden weapons because I'm still trying to obtain maelstrom sharpened weapons. Here are my stats

SilentBoomstick

Lexxypwns wrote: »

So, you can't kill anything, but you think you don't need gold weapons for more damage? gg

How much damage am I missing out on here sir? I have 5.1k weapon damage with purple sharpened weapons. Do not tell me I need golden weapons because my incap says it does 22k damage. I need golden weapons? Please just stop.

SilentBoomstick

Edziu wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

My best advice is:

Choose your targets carefully

Use cloak, shuffle and dodgeroll

Use mass hysteria before your burst combo

Run with a group

best advice to nb

dk dont need to care about choosing targets carefully if he isnt outnumbered, templar similiar, will tank, heal it and kill after all if it is possible, if not just leavy retords hwo cant kill you ;p

sorc, haha gtfo, got streak maybe some nerfed but still you can spam it few times in row, then you are in safer range, speedbuff from boundles storm, dark deal or this other morph, spam again streak

nb coz, need to choose targets carefully because most of population o cyrodil is tankly so can easily wreck nb after not successed gang, cloak still broken by most skill + det pots etc, let be just free ap after all

It is a disgrace that this class has to choose who they want to kill. Kind of reminds me like a guy I went to school with in the 6th grade that would pick on smaller kids for milk money but he wouldn't bother the bigger kids because he knows they will knock him senseless. I hate this logic.

SilentBoomstick

The_Outsider wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

This might be why I am struggling so hard. I can't run this game. I just can't. I cannot do certain things which this freaking Internet connection. I was always wondering why I would get hit by 6 abilities in 1 second. I use to think it was a macro user until I saw this. I lag so freaking hard. Yesterday I was doing white gold tower and we were there for 2 hours. Over 6 people came and left but we finished it eventually. I was always the first one to die.

...It took us this long to arrive at this conclusion? Ofc, you're going to have a hard time if you're internet sucks.

But whether intentional or not, you've farmed up a wealth of knowledge in this thread from people commenting offering suggestions to improve your play. So far, all you've done is adamantly refuse that there's anything you can do to improve (when that's clearly not the case). You've got two choices. Learn nothing and continue to make threads complaining about class balance, or go back over the advice given in this thread, make changes, and get better. It's totally up to you.

My main problem with my Internet is people hit me with 7 different abilities in 1 second and I die before I can react. I was playing with a guy over a month ago and he called me trash even though 1) I have no proper gear for my sorcerer 2) my internet is trash so I get bombarded by one player with 7 different abilities in 1 second with full impen on or not I still would have died 3) we were fighting 3 sorcerers and this fool was on a tank with 77k health so it is not my fault that we died. It was his fault for going to PvP with a pure PvE tank build. We both died and now this guy has no respect at all for me.

If I want to complain about class balance then I will continue to do so because I know for a fact that these classes are not created equally. I don't see the point in complaining anymore about it though because nothing will ever get better. If WOW is still struggling with class balance even though the game came out over 10 years ago then this game is going to struggle and never get any better. It is virtually impossible to obtain balance in these type of games because everything is numbers based rather than skills based. I just wonder if WOW will ever obtain perfect balance with classes.

Edziu

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

My best advice is:

Choose your targets carefully

Use cloak, shuffle and dodgeroll

Use mass hysteria before your burst combo

Run with a group

best advice to nb

dk dont need to care about choosing targets carefully if he isnt outnumbered, templar similiar, will tank, heal it and kill after all if it is possible, if not just leavy retords hwo cant kill you ;p

sorc, haha gtfo, got streak maybe some nerfed but still you can spam it few times in row, then you are in safer range, speedbuff from boundles storm, dark deal or this other morph, spam again streak

nb coz, need to choose targets carefully because most of population o cyrodil is tankly so can easily wreck nb after not successed gang, cloak still broken by most skill + det pots etc, let be just free ap after all

It is a disgrace that this class has to choose who they want to kill. Kind of reminds me like a guy I went to school with in the 6th grade that would pick on smaller kids for milk money but he wouldn't bother the bigger kids because he knows they will knock him senseless. I hate this logic.

yep, this is what I mean quoting @Celas_Dranacea

yodased

I hate nightblades too, they hide in the shadows, instagib you with proc sets and they run like hell if you catch em before they can set up.


If you hate yours so much, roll a mag DK. They are fun.

Kutsuu

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

My best advice is:

Choose your targets carefully

Use cloak, shuffle and dodgeroll

Use mass hysteria before your burst combo

Run with a group

best advice to nb

dk dont need to care about choosing targets carefully if he isnt outnumbered, templar similiar, will tank, heal it and kill after all if it is possible, if not just leavy retords hwo cant kill you ;p

sorc, haha gtfo, got streak maybe some nerfed but still you can spam it few times in row, then you are in safer range, speedbuff from boundles storm, dark deal or this other morph, spam again streak

nb coz, need to choose targets carefully because most of population o cyrodil is tankly so can easily wreck nb after not successed gang, cloak still broken by most skill + det pots etc, let be just free ap after all

It is a disgrace that this class has to choose who they want to kill. Kind of reminds me like a guy I went to school with in the 6th grade that would pick on smaller kids for milk money but he wouldn't bother the bigger kids because he knows they will knock him senseless. I hate this logic.

Every PVP game I've played with an assassin class required you to pick your targets if you were going to play a glass cannon gank build in open world style pvp. Not just because some builds would counter you, but also because spending an exorbitant amount of time fighting them to get a kill would mean additional enemies show up to join in the fight. Keep in mind the guys who are building for 30k+ HP heavy armor builds that can't easily be ganked, also do far less damage than you do if you attacked the same target. The glass cannon style heavy armor users that are running something like Black Rose + Viper + Tremorscale and put all their stats in stamina typically have 20-25k HP depending on race and food/drink selection. These are 100% killable, from 100-0 before they can react with your stats, assuming no radiant magelight or a slow reaction if they are running radiant. Although I get the feeling you are also clueless on your openers.

Wreuntzylla

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

For those of you that keep telling me that I shouldn't use clever alchemist for a duel I'd like to let you know that I don't. I use 5 morkuldon 3 agility 1 bloodspawn and 1 keena. I also use 2h and bow with regular golden weapons because I'm still trying to obtain maelstrom sharpened weapons. Here are my stats

That dispels my notion that NBs are just AP cows waiting to be popped. Not really, most are. But that regen with those damage stats. Sick.

Celas_Dranacea

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

My best advice is:

Choose your targets carefully

Use cloak, shuffle and dodgeroll

Use mass hysteria before your burst combo

Run with a group

best advice to nb

dk dont need to care about choosing targets carefully if he isnt outnumbered, templar similiar, will tank, heal it and kill after all if it is possible, if not just leavy retords hwo cant kill you ;p

sorc, haha gtfo, got streak maybe some nerfed but still you can spam it few times in row, then you are in safer range, speedbuff from boundles storm, dark deal or this other morph, spam again streak

nb coz, need to choose targets carefully because most of population o cyrodil is tankly so can easily wreck nb after not successed gang, cloak still broken by most skill + det pots etc, let be just free ap after all

It is a disgrace that this class has to choose who they want to kill. Kind of reminds me like a guy I went to school with in the 6th grade that would pick on smaller kids for milk money but he wouldn't bother the bigger kids because he knows they will knock him senseless. I hate this logic.

Wolves do not go after the biggest, strongest elk in a herd. They go after the slow or the weak. That is your role as a hunter.

Speaking of which, try werewolf!

Knootewoot

yodased wrote: »

I hate nightStamblades too, they hide in the shadows, instagib you with proc sets and they run like hell if you catch em before they can set up.


If you hate yours so much, roll a mag DK. They are fun.

Corrected

ScooberSteve

Stealth up suprise attack ambush ambush ambush enemie dead run hide repeat. Pvp takes a lot more skill thank pve. Your playing against other players not npc's. Pvp isnt for the faint hearted.

Kram8ion

I've played nb since launch and still love it
A big learning curve for me was playing to my class not my weapon damage

Derra

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Edziu

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Edziu

delete

Derra

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

Knootewoot

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Edziu

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

Derra

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

Edziu

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg


at all aginast sorcs spamming curse, streak I just throw cloak from bar because it unnecessarily eat my magica needed for other buffs etc, stil most skills as dots breaking cloak, gap closers etc

and for what you want this range counter agains cloak? ahh you are scared while standing in safe mines about nb who trying to hurt you in your fortess?

WTB change not working with many counters cloak to damage shield which will work properly or for buff on this 2.5 seconds which will give 80% dodge chance, still will work better than cloak now and you will be able to hit with channeled skills or curse etc, why not

Derra

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

Edziu wrote: »

and for what you want this range counter agains cloak? ahh you are scared while standing in safe mines about nb who trying to hurt you in your fortess?

So you can´t hurt the sorc standing in mines. The sorc in mines can´t hurt you either.
The sorc also can not see you and run into the risk of dying when leaving their mines to find you.
That sounds like a pretty good situation to be in for me (and i´ve found that very comfortable every time i´ve played my stamblade).
Nobody forces you to attack into mines.

I think mines is a stupidly designed skill aswell as reflect is - as they effectivly offer no (or very limited) counterplay. Just as cloak offers limited counterplay for ranged builds (going into melee...). I´m in favor of changing all three of them to create possiblities for effective counterplay.
The argument: a) should be op because b) and c) that are totally unrelated to a) are op too is not a smart argument to make - in my opinion.

Edziu

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

still dont see it, was in no group, no combat, infernal guarian know better where someone hidden is behing wall and floor/roof and you ofc also know better by desctription etc

Derra

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

still dont see it, was in no group, no combat, infernal guarian know better where someone hidden is behing wall and floor/roof and you ofc also know better by desctription etc

probably hit someone with vigor who fought the sorc 20 minutes ago - that´s how it works. yes it is that stupid and i totally agree it´s stupid.
but zos for the love the eight can´t fix their in combat system.

Edziu

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

still dont see it, was in no group, no combat, infernal guarian know better where someone hidden is behing wall and floor/roof and you ofc also know better by desctription etc

probably hit someone with vigor who fought the sorc 20 minutes ago - that´s how it works. yes it is that stupid and i totally agree it´s stupid.
but zos for the love the eight can´t fix their in combat system.

yeah, like viper proc from bow with poison or other enchant whichwork as melee attack..10k snipe from long range + free 4-5k viper hit

Kutsuu

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

Are you trolling too, like the OP? They have added many counters to cloak and invisiblity in general over the last two years. I'm utterly amazed you are still whining about not having enough counters. It is a truly pathetic situation if you can't counter cloak with all the options you have. What class are you playing as your main? Most classes have a ranged AOE that can be used to counter cloak.

Kutsuu

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

still dont see it, was in no group, no combat, infernal guarian know better where someone hidden is behing wall and floor/roof and you ofc also know better by desctription etc

The infernal guardian user has to be in combat for it to reveal you - not you. It's pretty easy to get placed into combat, and there are lots of bugs that keep you stuck in combat forever. I have a feeling that some are using and enjoying said bugs, but whatever.

Edziu

Kutsuu wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

still dont see it, was in no group, no combat, infernal guarian know better where someone hidden is behing wall and floor/roof and you ofc also know better by desctription etc

The infernal guardian user has to be in combat for it to reveal you - not you. It's pretty easy to get placed into combat, and there are lots of bugs that keep you stuck in combat forever. I have a feeling that some are using and enjoying said bugs, but whatever.

this is what I have seen and undesrstand but @Derra tried convince me this is my fault why I was hitted in stealth by this set by few walls and 2 keeps away

Knootewoot

Edziu wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

waiting for skills/potion/poison as counter to shields and any heals to prevent you from doing this, waiting for also maybe poison which will prevent you from blocking also if you have enough stamina

EDIT, as range counter to cloak you have flare from support so shut up

Flare as a counter to cloak. Gave me a good chuckle.

You might need this if you think flare does anything to counter cloak:

give me a reason for when give us next counter agains cloak if we now have a ton of countesr, and coltrops ofc so good on range, maybe give you something like mage light but on 28m+ range? make just delete this broken skill, the most useless skills without combinated with other skills to good working, for whas sake you want next counter for at all not working in most time skill?

better give me fix to this stupid cloak or give me poison which will prevent you for minimum 10 seconds to use damage shields or hight insta heals like BoL or healing ward

The problem is people like you are not able to differentiate situations. You´re way of thinking is so limited to all the situations where cloak does not work that you fail to even recognize the situations and builds where it does happen to work and how good it is when it does what it´s supposed to.

Is cloak a rediculously broken skill useless against maybe 70% of what people throw at you in cyrodiil because of bugs? Sure it is.
Does that make it any worse when fighting builds that can not access or don´t have bugged skills? Hardly.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I wanted to say i hate nightblades too.

I think i came here for the exact oposite reasons than this topic was created.

I still want a working ranged counter for cloak.

Infernal Guardian. It just pinpoints every cloaked and stealhed dude. Works wonder on gankers who are solo. It's really a pain in the arse and I hate that set. Just cast damage shield every 6 seconds and you have50% chance it works. It's so lame it shouldn't even exist.

Infernal guardian is arguably broken. It only reveals people you´re in combat with though - and i think i´m fine with that. Atleast it still requires you to effectively move into melee to than actually hit the NB.

It´s terrible for XvNB situations though. Don´t like the implications at all.
I think it´s not good for the game to have such a mechanic. I want a mechanic that provides active counterplay for cloak on ranged builds. Not a *** proccset doing work for you and everyone around.

lol, still remember how not long ago was in cyro, near resourc tower, ofc small farm ap group inside and few of us fighting against then.
I wasnt in combat, was able to change gear, near this tower...in stealth and what? and from "sky" was spammed be infernal guaardian proc while I wasnt in combat and was in hide, gg

Infernal guardian tags you as in combat when: you or one of your grpmembers fought the wearer of infernal or one of their grpmembers until either you or they log out (this also means healing/buffing someone who did).

The in combat tag persists through death.

still dont see it, was in no group, no combat, infernal guarian know better where someone hidden is behing wall and floor/roof and you ofc also know better by desctription etc

The infernal guardian user has to be in combat for it to reveal you - not you. It's pretty easy to get placed into combat, and there are lots of bugs that keep you stuck in combat forever. I have a feeling that some are using and enjoying said bugs, but whatever.

this is what I have seen and undesrstand but @Derra tried convince me this is my fault why I was hitted in stealth by this set by few walls and 2 keeps away

I had same. I solo a lot and even then, when not in combat because I sneak around, I get targeted. The guy who fires the mortars is in combat because he is fighting guys from other alliance (and not even my alliance)

so it's bugged. The proc just targets any player, regardless if that player is in combat.

Oh well, at least it's a red circle you can avoid.

Darnathian

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

So, you can't kill anything, but you think you don't need gold weapons for more damage? gg

How much damage am I missing out on here sir? I have 5.1k weapon damage with purple sharpened weapons. Do not tell me I need golden weapons because my incap says it does 22k damage. I need golden weapons? Please just stop.

YES WE ARE ALL TELLING YOU THAT. Man u are dense. Upgrade the weapons and vhange your build into penetration for the love of god.

Then get better internet and poof u will kill people.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL U?

U must be trolling