I hate nightblades

Moglijuana

Here is my friend dueling a HEAVY ARMOR TEMPLAR EMPEROR on a NIGHTBLADE WEARING MEDIUM ARMOR. I would say L2P but it won't make you better if you don't WANT to learn =/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWBga20UIQ

Edziu

Moglijuana wrote: »

Here is my friend dueling a HEAVY ARMOR TEMPLAR EMPEROR on a NIGHTBLADE WEARING MEDIUM ARMOR. I would say L2P but it won't make you better if you don't WANT to learn =/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWBga20UIQ

I will more say its l2p for this templar....if someone have emperor etc it doesnt mean he is good player, I know 1 player with max pvp lvl on pv eu and he isnt to much skilled mostly leeched ep in zergs, def ticks etc

other player...my very good vriend with few his friends...also people who can be one of the best on serwer haha, they was on dead campaign, last keep to emperor for enemys, they was just zerg, 20+ people, my friend was maybe in 4 people, they had no any prooblem to defend this last keep, finally someone who wanted this emporor was asked them to stop, to give him chance to get emperor because he hast it before, they agreed if he will duel with each of them, so he got emperor, stamina nb emperor...emperor...he was dying like just easy fast free ap as emperor.

what is the moral of this? if someone will get emperor he dont need to be very skilled, on this videalo fight was long maybe just because this was some tankly and healing templar witch much hp? if this player on videoe will be this nb as emperor or templar without emperor I feel he will get rekt so fast against this skilled nb on video

give me please videoe on which is someone is dueling with seriousily good, skilled player as emperor, not just farmed ap for achev to be emperor once

Lexxypwns

So, you can't kill anything, but you think you don't need gold weapons for more damage? gg

Moglijuana

Edziu wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Here is my friend dueling a HEAVY ARMOR TEMPLAR EMPEROR on a NIGHTBLADE WEARING MEDIUM ARMOR. I would say L2P but it won't make you better if you don't WANT to learn =/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWBga20UIQ

I will more say its l2p for this templar....if someone have emperor etc it doesnt mean he is good player, I know 1 player with max pvp lvl on pv eu and he isnt to much skilled mostly leeched ep in zergs, def ticks etc

other player...my very good vriend with few his friends...also people who can be one of the best on serwer haha, they was on dead campaign, last keep to emperor for enemys, they was just zerg, 20+ people, my friend was maybe in 4 people, they had no any prooblem to defend this last keep, finally someone who wanted this emporor was asked them to stop, to give him chance to get emperor because he hast it before, they agreed if he will duel with each of them, so he got emperor, stamina nb emperor...emperor...he was dying like just easy fast free ap as emperor.

what is the moral of this? if someone will get emperor he dont need to be very skilled, on this videalo fight was long maybe just because this was some tankly and healing templar witch much hp? if this player on videoe will be this nb as emperor or templar without emperor I feel he will get rekt so fast against this skilled nb on video

give me please videoe on which is someone is dueling with seriousily good, skilled player as emperor, not just farmed ap for achev to be emperor once

Check out his other vids. Anthonymike1 is arguably one of the best NB's on Ps4...he has MULTIPLE emperor duels.

Also, Loweye is literally ALWAYS emperor...he doesn't do it "for the achievement".

Anyways, the reason I linked that video was to show OP that dueling on a stamina NB is possible...even against extremely powerful opponents.

kadar

Everyone dies eventually. In this game there are two types a people.

1) The kind that whisper you and say, "GF, what skill/ability/set/strategy are you using to do so well?" They learn.

2) And then there's the kind that sends you a rage tell every time they die, has an extremely high opinion of themselves, and is too stubborn to learn from people with more skill/experience/knowledge than them.

There's is a very good example of player type number 2 in this thread.

AzuraKin

The_Outsider wrote: »

Everyone dies eventually. In this game there are two types a people.

1) The kind that whisper you and say, "GF, what skill/ability/set/strategy are you using to do so well?" They learn.

2) And then there's the kind that sends you a rage tell every time they die, has an extremely high opinion of themselves, and is too stubborn to learn from people with more skill/experience/knowledge than them.

There's is a very good example of player type number 2 in this thread.

well sounds like a naive person here, 1. someone from another alliance wouldnt tell you what gear, or skills they used. they want your ap so they woudnt want you to be just as strong as them. 2. most kills in pvp are either 1 of 2 types. 1. multiple players targeting 1 opponent. 2. stamina proc + animation cancelled builds.

Sandman929

AzuraKin wrote: »

1. someone from another alliance wouldnt tell you what gear, or skills they used. they want your ap so they woudnt want you to be just as strong as them.

They might, and they might not. But they definitely won't want to be helpful if their first interaction with someone is a hate message.

kadar

AzuraKin wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Everyone dies eventually. In this game there are two types a people.

1) The kind that whisper you and say, "GF, what skill/ability/set/strategy are you using to do so well?" They learn.

2) And then there's the kind that sends you a rage tell every time they die, has an extremely high opinion of themselves, and is too stubborn to learn from people with more skill/experience/knowledge than them.

There's is a very good example of player type number 2 in this thread.

well sounds like a naive person here, 1. someone from another alliance wouldnt tell you what gear, or skills they used. they want your ap so they woudnt want you to be just as strong as them. 2. most kills in pvp are either 1 of 2 types. 1. multiple players targeting 1 opponent. 2. stamina proc + animation cancelled builds.

Ah, that's right, you're the animation cancelling guy. And judging by your reply, fall into player type number 2 as well...

Try it! Honestly you'd be surprised. I have better conversations with enemy players than players from my own faction many times. Most players are happy to tell you what they are running or what stat values they are hitting if you ask politely.

Jaiden

I run 5 trainee, 5 spriggans, and a light armor sellistrix and heavy armor tremorscale for the Undaunted passives + stam on each piece. I run blue orzagas hp/stam recovery food. 27k hp, 39k stam, buffed 3500 wd, 2300 regen. I have no problems with playing NB.

Kutsuu

The_Outsider wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Everyone dies eventually. In this game there are two types a people.

1) The kind that whisper you and say, "GF, what skill/ability/set/strategy are you using to do so well?" They learn.

2) And then there's the kind that sends you a rage tell every time they die, has an extremely high opinion of themselves, and is too stubborn to learn from people with more skill/experience/knowledge than them.

There's is a very good example of player type number 2 in this thread.

well sounds like a naive person here, 1. someone from another alliance wouldnt tell you what gear, or skills they used. they want your ap so they woudnt want you to be just as strong as them. 2. most kills in pvp are either 1 of 2 types. 1. multiple players targeting 1 opponent. 2. stamina proc + animation cancelled builds.

Ah, that's right, you're the animation cancelling guy. And judging by your reply, fall into player type number 2 as well...

Try it! Honestly you'd be surprised. I have better conversations with enemy players than players from my own faction many times. Most players are happy to tell you what they are running or what stat values they are hitting if you ask politely.

100% agree. I've had several people send me tells after I kill them asking politely what I'm using/wearing, and I'll go out of my way to answer because they're the type of player that I want to encourage in this game. Those who ask questions to improve deserve to learn IMO.

Aistis1990

Well I had Stam NB its pretty strong with its stun and poisons can kill ppl no problem espec from stealth in cyrodiil. Now I have Magicka NB. Well i die a lot and often , and DK or Templar tanks are rly a big problem to get killed , but a proper NB needs to use Poisons on their weapons and dance a lot. You can beat any 1. Even when I have lot of problems killing other ppls on pvp Im not complaining. It's my fault that I'm not that good at pvp, you should see it too.

Skitttles

My SA tool tip is barely 9k, I like to think I do just fine.

SilentBoomstick

newtinmpls wrote: »

And here I thought you were going to rage about how it's hard to do IC without getting ganked every five min .....

I don't even care about that. I farm that place all day and never run into anybody there because that DLC officially died about 4 months ago.

Sureshawt wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

If u dont think that you need golden weapons then it is a l2p. Get those. Armor u can get away with purple

^This

...and whether you choose to accept it or not the rest of your issues are learn to play.

It is broken heavy armor. This game is not balanced.

Kutsuu wrote: »

As far as who I don't attack when I'm ganking - I don't attack radiant magelight users unless they have less than 24k health. I don't attack obvious tank players (1h/shield and heavy) if they have over ~32k health. Everyone else drops, especially all these black rose heavy armor users with 22-25k health who aren't running radiant magelight. Very easy pickings.

Black rose users have around 27k health. I know for a fact that if I see a magicka users with 24k health that they are wearing heavy armor and they will survive my damage. I'm playing on PS4 so I don't know what health bars look like on pc but I'm pretty sure they are both different. On my magplar if I wear all like the highest I can get my health to is 21k. I did the math. I do not wear light armor on my magplar.

KingYogi415

If you dont want to wear black rose and use 2h/bow your gonna stay trash.

Don't blame the game you don't want to adapt.

SilentBoomstick

LegacyDM wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Look. You can still dodge roll a lot. Get some well fitted gear. I know pro players who have no issues Los, dodge rolling, and keeping shuffle up. I've seen pro players go from little health to full health in 1 cast of momentum and vigor.

You need your weapons gold because everyone else has theres. Your losing like 200+ weapon damage. Seriously, without gold weapons your not being competitive. People are stacking resistances, heavy armor, and shields and your running around with purple?!

Unfortunately by not running proc sets your handicapping yourself. Most Everyone else is running proc sets. Your just beating your head against a wall because people are making builds to counter the damage output of proc sets. So what ever alternative build your using it will suffer even more.

Watch YouTube and twitch. Watch how people like scribes and xinthesis play. Go watch xinthesis cyrodil diaries in alliance war forums section.

Unfortunately it is a l2p. Don't believe the hype. This game is not play the way you want. There is such a thing as meta. Or if you want to buck the trend, then you need to be really skilled. I suggest you post your build so the forum experts and theory crafters can tell you how to improve rather than ventting while ordering some wine with cheese. Post your build and I'll try and help.

It is not a l2p. It is a fact that my heals suck. I am missing out on 200 weapon damage? Oh so you are going to tell me that I need to have more weapon damage? Who are you to tell me that I need more weapon damage when it's already high?

You telling me to use proc sets makes no sense. We need to do the exact opposite and not use proc sets, mk? You aren't supposed to dodge roll and how are you going to tell me to keep shuffle up when I keep it up all the time? I hate this ability with a burning passion because I always see other people get lucky by watching it proc 80% of the time whilst it never seems to work for me. I am not referring to ganking in this thread. I am referring to the fact that this is the worst class to duel people in. There's too many variables that goes against a nightblade in order for a nightblade to win a fight. I don't know whose idea it was when they designed all 4 of the classes to call it "balance".

You can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink.

260 damage with multipliers is not insignificant. You need to learn to accept the fact that the goal of this game is to achieve the best build possible with the highest stats. If your too stubborn to accept that, when everyone else maxes their characters your always going to be behind the curve. You'll have to make up the difference with skill. If you can't, it's a l2p issue.

If shuffle is working for 80% for everyone else but you, your doing something wrong. It's not like there is some divine being punishing you with bad luck compared to 80% of the rest.

Why would you run a high damage glass canon build but not use it to gank? Why do you only have 40 cp in armor pen? Do you realize the average population is running 20k armor? Many are running 30k. Do you understand the math? Do you know how much pen you need to = 11% more damage?

Anyways, Why would you run a glass canon build in duels? What makes a high damage glass canon effective in cyrodil is the ability to sprint away, Los, and gank from stealth. Accept the fact, your not built for duels with your build. Or maybe you just need more skill. I'll say it again, l2p.

It is not learn to play. I have several builds. I usually run high recovery on a dueling build and I use morkuldon. Accept the fact that this is not a learn to play issue because not all classes are created equal. This is not a nightblade problem in general. Instead it is a problem the certain classes have stronger advantages over another. This remains me a lot of WOW. I left that game because I couldn't take it anymore. Last I heard they added a new classes called demon hunter which is so freaking broken. It takes absolutely no skill to play that game because everything is gear based and certain classes are stronger than others so of course you will lose if you pick "the most challenging class in the game". The "most challenging class in the game" is usually you setting yourself up for failure because you are going to lose if there are classes that do more things than you can. Don't stand in the red circles? Don't take damage? I cannot kill anyone that is wearing this broken heavy armor meta. I don't need anymore physical penetration because my weapons are sharpened and I have a maul. Do you know anyone that puts over 50 cp into piercing? It takes me approximately 4 seconds to burst someone down but my freaking Internet is so bad by the time I am about to kill them they react and go right through me to get all their health back in 1 second despite the fact that I hit them with incap.

Do you understand that it takes like 6 hits to kill someone and that takes a certain amount of time to perform all of those attacks? Before heavy armor became the meta I used to have no trouble killing people that were dragonknights. Now they get back up and they stop taking damage and kill me in 2 seconds.

SilentBoomstick

Jaronking wrote: »

I see your problem OP your a glass cannon build with no sustained and just high damage you chased after numbers not a balanced build which you need for.Dueling.First you need armor pen try to get spriggins run that jewelry and weapons and you will do fine with sharp weapons and surprise attack your already taking 10k armor from your opponent .Your just a waste with that much weapon damage.

I played Stamblade since console release I play Xbox I still do well on my NB.I have to run heavy to survive proc sets and with cloak being broken I have to run heavy to out heal dots and survive now.Its hard especially compare to other classes in sustain wise and just straight DPS.my StamDk never run out of resources in heavy or medium.My stam sorc dark deal is amazing and I never run out if stam.NB resources management sucks but we can't get buffs to fix our broken skills because it would just make gank blades stronger.

I'll never will use a proc set but I'll.run Bloodspawn and heavy till they Nerf this cancer.

Do you understand how freaking dumb this makes the game look when you are forced to conform to a certain meta in order to adapt? We need to add softcaps in order to stop this bs broken meta.

SilentBoomstick

Sandman929 wrote: »

Looking at the stats, I'd have to guess that "I can't kill anyone" is a bit of an exaggeration. More likely is that you expect to kill everyone, and can't.

Which means 80% of Cyrodiil.

GreenSoup2HoT

Moglijuana wrote: »

Here is my friend dueling a HEAVY ARMOR TEMPLAR EMPEROR on a NIGHTBLADE WEARING MEDIUM ARMOR. I would say L2P but it won't make you better if you don't WANT to learn =/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWBga20UIQ

Loweye could of used Destro Ulty or Meteor and ended the fight in 2 seconds. He had the respect to use a weak templar ulty and duel this guy using a group build. Not once using radiant either.

Yes the stam nb won. Using 2h/bow which is very strong and caught him with a burst at the end but....I dont think this fight shows anything. All i saw was an Emperor so laid back that he didnt really care and then a nb who wanted to win real bad so he could brag about it (not to discredit the stam nb. i know he likes to duel and does it alot).

OP is using a glass cannon vamp complaining about dying in a proc meta, what does he expect to happen? My suggestion, invest in more magicka recovery and cloak more.

SilentBoomstick

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Here is my friend dueling a HEAVY ARMOR TEMPLAR EMPEROR on a NIGHTBLADE WEARING MEDIUM ARMOR. I would say L2P but it won't make you better if you don't WANT to learn =/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWBga20UIQ

Loweye could of used Destro Ulty or Meteor and ended the fight in 2 seconds. He had the respect to use a weak templar ulty and duel this guy using a group build. Not once using radiant either.

Yes the stam nb won. Using 2h/bow which is very strong and caught him with a burst at the end but....I dont think this fight shows anything. All i saw was an Emperor so laid back that he didnt really care and then a nb who wanted to win real bad so he could brag about it (not to discredit the stam nb. i know he likes to duel and does it alot).

OP is using a glass cannon vamp complaining about dying in a proc meta, what does he expect to happen? My suggestion, invest in more magicka recovery and cloak more.

Well he didn't but if he did it would have been over. You cannot tell me that this is a L2P issue if he didn't use broken abilities which 100% of people that play as a templar will melt you if your health drops at least at 40%. It's over. Then the destruction staff ultimate would have killed him in 2 seconds so yes that is also broken. You just cannot expect everyone to honor people in a duel and not use broken things. Radiant destruction needs a nerf. Do not lie to me. They said that they nerfed it like 3 times but it's still op because my radiant destruction hits ticks for 30k in pve and I am wearing heavy armor. I burn down bosses so quickly using that ability.

SilentBoomstick

I'm about to play a different game. I am getting tired of this slow Internet.

SilentBoomstick

This might be why I am struggling so hard. I can't run this game. I just can't. I cannot do certain things which this freaking Internet connection. I was always wondering why I would get hit by 6 abilities in 1 second. I use to think it was a macro user until I saw this. I lag so freaking hard. Yesterday I was doing white gold tower and we were there for 2 hours. Over 6 people came and left but we finished it eventually. I was always the first one to die.

SilentBoomstick

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you dont want to wear black rose and use 2h/bow your gonna stay trash.

Don't blame the game you don't want to adapt.

That proves my point that this game has nothing to do with skill.

GreenSoup2HoT

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Here is my friend dueling a HEAVY ARMOR TEMPLAR EMPEROR on a NIGHTBLADE WEARING MEDIUM ARMOR. I would say L2P but it won't make you better if you don't WANT to learn =/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWBga20UIQ

Loweye could of used Destro Ulty or Meteor and ended the fight in 2 seconds. He had the respect to use a weak templar ulty and duel this guy using a group build. Not once using radiant either.

Yes the stam nb won. Using 2h/bow which is very strong and caught him with a burst at the end but....I dont think this fight shows anything. All i saw was an Emperor so laid back that he didnt really care and then a nb who wanted to win real bad so he could brag about it (not to discredit the stam nb. i know he likes to duel and does it alot).

OP is using a glass cannon vamp complaining about dying in a proc meta, what does he expect to happen? My suggestion, invest in more magicka recovery and cloak more.

Well he didn't but if he did it would have been over. You cannot tell me that this is a L2P issue if he didn't use broken abilities which 100% of people that play as a templar will melt you if your health drops at least at 40%. It's over. Then the destruction staff ultimate would have killed him in 2 seconds so yes that is also broken. You just cannot expect everyone to honor people in a duel and not use broken things. Radiant destruction needs a nerf. Do not lie to me. They said that they nerfed it like 3 times but it's still op because my radiant destruction hits ticks for 30k in pve and I am wearing heavy armor. I burn down bosses so quickly using that ability.

I agree with you. Destro ult and radiant are pretty op. Loweye gave the nb a chance and an honour-able duel. Beating Loweye is nothing to brag about in this scenario. More like a showcase of class.

Jaronking

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I see your problem OP your a glass cannon build with no sustained and just high damage you chased after numbers not a balanced build which you need for.Dueling.First you need armor pen try to get spriggins run that jewelry and weapons and you will do fine with sharp weapons and surprise attack your already taking 10k armor from your opponent .Your just a waste with that much weapon damage.

I played Stamblade since console release I play Xbox I still do well on my NB.I have to run heavy to survive proc sets and with cloak being broken I have to run heavy to out heal dots and survive now.Its hard especially compare to other classes in sustain wise and just straight DPS.my StamDk never run out of resources in heavy or medium.My stam sorc dark deal is amazing and I never run out if stam.NB resources management sucks but we can't get buffs to fix our broken skills because it would just make gank blades stronger.

I'll never will use a proc set but I'll.run Bloodspawn and heavy till they Nerf this cancer.

Do you understand how freaking dumb this makes the game look when you are forced to conform to a certain meta in order to adapt? We need to add softcaps in order to stop this bs broken meta.

Yea I do the devs sucks but they won't add soft caps back and even with soft caps proc sets would still be a problem in this game.Even when they Nerf proc sets heavy armor still going to be the meta since armor pen sets going to be more important so if your wearing medium your pretty much going to be in light armor.With a sharpened 2h maul surprised attack and sprigging your close to 15k armor pen.Which will help you kill some heavy armor builds.

Fr fr this current meta killing the game for me am really tempted to either quit or just throw on Selene and double proc kill people on my stam blade.its pissing me off what this game is becoming.They have tell next week pts to show me something.

SilentBoomstick

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I agree with you. Destro ult and radiant are pretty op. Loweye gave the nb a chance and an honour-able duel. Beating Loweye is nothing to brag about in this scenario. More like a showcase of class.

I made a post and so many idiots told me to L2P about the destruction staff ultimate. These people are get underneath my skin by telling me not to stand in the red circle when all you have to do is stand in it for 2 seconds to lose all of your health. I wish half of the people that reply L2P on things that are broken like Camo hunter in the past really had some sense in their head. You can end a duel the moment it begins with these new broken abilities. I have a sorcerer and I do not use this ability because I know it is broken and I don't want to abuse it. Back when these people were telling these posters to L2P was such a lack of logic. Camo hunter then wrecking blow from stealth and it was over. There was no hard counter. I get really tired of people that use these burst proc sets telling others to learn to play when they damn well know it is broken other wise they wouldn't use it to win every fight. The game is not balanced. Each update it only gets worse and worse and the majority of people that tell me to L2P need to realize the fact that heavy armor is broken and the majority of people survive it.

SilentBoomstick

The_Outsider wrote: »

Was gonna type a comment dripping with sarcasm about how you actually need to pick targets instead of randomly attacking everything you see... Instead you get +1 Agree.

If this is the case then I cannot kill 80% of the population in Cyrodiil. Nobody wears medium and light armor anymore.

Kutsuu

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Was gonna type a comment dripping with sarcasm about how you actually need to pick targets instead of randomly attacking everything you see... Instead you get +1 Agree.

If this is the case then I cannot kill 80% of the population in Cyrodiil. Nobody wears medium and light armor anymore.

My weapon damage is lower than yours when fully buffed, but I kill heavy armor users who have less than 30k HP and aren't running radiant magelight - as I stated in my post, and showed you in my video. Your biggest problem is your complete resistance to accepting that much of the problem is you. We've already gone over this so many times in the various threads that you ruin with your whining, so I really don't know why I keep trying to get you to be reasonable.

Celas_Dranacea

My best advice is:

Choose your targets carefully

Use cloak, shuffle and dodgeroll

Use mass hysteria before your burst combo

Run with a group

Edziu

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

My best advice is:

Choose your targets carefully

Use cloak, shuffle and dodgeroll

Use mass hysteria before your burst combo

Run with a group

best advice to nb

dk dont need to care about choosing targets carefully if he isnt outnumbered, templar similiar, will tank, heal it and kill after all if it is possible, if not just leavy retords hwo cant kill you ;p

sorc, haha gtfo, got streak maybe some nerfed but still you can spam it few times in row, then you are in safer range, speedbuff from boundles storm, dark deal or this other morph, spam again streak

nb coz, need to choose targets carefully because most of population o cyrodil is tankly so can easily wreck nb after not successed gang, cloak still broken by most skill + det pots etc, let be just free ap after all

kadar

Docmandu wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Everyone dies eventually. In this game there are two types a people.

1) The kind that whisper you and say, "GF, what skill/ability/set/strategy are you using to do so well?" They learn.

On EU you will regularly get "***! F'ck yooz ni**h" in reply if you send something like that. Probably because it's "cool" and/or they don't understand english at all.

LOL. They are not sure what you said so they assume it's a rage tell. Ofc, you get that on N/A too, but that's when you just go +1 to the ol' ignore list.