Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...

Doctordarkspawn

Digerati wrote: »

Sorry bro... stop queuing for vet dungeons. a low CP, undergeared, bad player can seriously hamper the party... some are good. some high CP players are awful. it's true... But an undergeared, underleveled player in the tank position can really screw the party. People aren't trying to be elitist, they're not trying to be cruel... they're just trying to not waste a whole lot of time carrying a party.

This isn't abuse of the votekick. this is its intended function. Get over 160 CP. go grinding or whatever. sorry it's gotta be this way.

This without the 'sorry'.

It didn't used to be this big an issue before the resistance and health changes but it is now.

KingYogi415

ArgoCye wrote: »

The grouping tool is not Tinder - you don't just swipe away the uglies. You run with them. If they need to be carried, then carry them. Nut up. If you are sooooo busy that you don't have time to carry the uglies, then don't use the tool.

Gross, just for you I will start kicking anyone under 300cp

Vet dungeons are for vet READY players!

Anyone spamming a light bow attack = Kick.

Cheers!

SaRuZ

I firmly believe ZoS should adopt Bungie's Matchmaking penalty system(from the older Halo's) to a lesser degree. If you get kicked the first two-three times. There should NOT be a cooldown. If you QUIT a dungeon, you should be penalized the 15 minutes. That way if a group of *** kick you for not being a super nerd like them you can simply rejoin with another group. If you ragequit or simply quit because you don't like the other players then yes, penalize.

starkerealm

Khenarthi wrote: »

Luckily, many low CP players are surprisingly competent - like the 2 DD in their 160s during yesterday's Volenfell HM. And some CP561+ players have no idea what they's doing - like a "veteran" guy I once say doing 2k dps in vet Banished Cells II...

*headdesks*

Reminds me of a guy I ran across in zone the other day who was insisting that, "no, really," he was better off spamming uppercut for endgame content.

MaxTM

I think you guys are missing a very important point which is that the more competent players are in the game, the more fun it is. So train the new players by taking them with you and write the bosses' mechanics in the group chat. When you were new I bet you wished someone did that for you!
More good players open a variety of things to do in the game and just makes it more fun.

cpuScientist

Graynh wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

I guarantee you don't.

Im 339 mag DK. Those numbers are easy for me to get on trash and on bosses if theres a healer with spellpower cure and a tank that uses warhorn I guarantee you I'll do 26-29k dps on a single target boss fight. I believe him.

Grats and all but you did say magSorc and you said 27-28... This is magDK and 26...... But still GG.

cpuScientist

So reasons low cp get kicked.
They are farming for weapons armor jewelry, and yours will be useless as yours will be low level.
They want a quick run and don't believe a level 80cp will not allow that.
You que, and do your role poorly and don't take advice.
You're rude.

When I que for normal it's WHATEVER. I will pull Everyone who cares.

When I que for vet by myself, I always que as tank on my magSorc, cause I know I can tank/heal/DPS and it will be a ok. Anf if I do get a good group then great I let the healer know they can focus on deeeps and let me heal and it's a FAST run.

I never que if I don't think I can carry the whole group. I think this way because it's the sad truth of group finder. I personally do not think it should be this way. I think it should try to match you with players near your level. Or give that as an option. Such as match with higher than me lower than me near my level or all.

And take away the DAMN 15 minute penalty. It hurts, ZOS, and is at the center of all the HATE.

Fallen_Ray

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

So here you are talking as if you started this game knowing every dungeon mechanic and already a high Lvl CP. I'm gonna say this even if I a moderator has to edit this post and scold at me. You are a PRlCK, if you want to do a quick dungeon team up with your friends and go your merry way.

That way you don't take up unnecessary space in the group finder queue. New people get in this game every day and beasts like you only ruin their experience and give a bad name to the ESO community. Needless to say CP only does not make a player good. Knowledge of mechanics does, and that can be shared between players, unlike CP.

Or you could just use group finder and kick those who clearly should not be in the dungeon. If people wouldn't que for dungeons they shouldn't be in then it wouldn't be a problem.

There is a reason I have never been kicked from a group. It's because I didn't use group finder until there was no doubt I would not drag down the team. I personally don't want to be that guy who does that.

Like those under 100 CP players who I get thrown in vet dlc dungeons with. People need to stop dragging down the team when they aren't experienced enough for the content.

So please do tell me who should be or not in a dungeon. Is there a special in-game permit that I do not know of? Each dungeon has minimum lvl requirements in order for a player to queue up for said dungeon. If they meet the requirement they can play it. If they do not know how to do the dungeons, they can be taught.

Telling them the key features does make the difference (using food buffs, key skills to use according to their specific role, etc), since the game does scale low lvl players by a long shot that's more than half of the problem solved.

However there is that 1% chance that you will get someone who does not listen or goes on the offensive for being "told what to do" as they call it, if such situation arises I do agree a kick might be necessary.

I do not see it as "dragging the team down", when I get queued with lowbies. We all Started at 0 in this game. We shouldn't shame those that are starting right now. On the contrary let them know whats what, eventually they will become the vets of tomorrow.

Rune_Relic

And this is why vertical progression does not work in multiplayer games.
People will always use any kind of vertical progression as a rating system to compare *** size and empower bigotry.

Even if content (player) was scaled to perfection....people would still kick based on a bigger number

DMuehlhausen

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

Hello there,

Recently we've had to remove several comments for unneeded back and forth, keep in mind that flaming and baiting are against the Forum Rules. For further discussion on the matter, please be sure to remain civil with one another and constructive towards the topic.

Thank you for understanding.

This should be closed down than. This is literally a thread about how people dont like that a majority voted them off a group for x reason. Its literally a fair vote which can only be completed by a majority.

This is not a thread based on how ZOS could fix it by adding x. Its a thread for people to come and talk about how elitist dont help them or treat them fairly.

The vote is obviously fair since its a vote.
The reasons are fair for the majority involved in the vote, or else they wouldnt vote it.

This whole thread is a bait.

It's not a fair vote though. People simply go by CP level and kick people. I'm sorry but I've seen max CP people that can't complete dungeons cause they suck at playing the game while other people barely level enough to enter Vet dungeons be fine cause they do know what they are doing.

The other thing though people complain about on these posts is when you are kicked, even before you load into the dungeon you now have a 15 minute timer before you can queue again.

greyman

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Paneross wrote: »

Fact I ran into a CP350 last night and all he did was light attacks to build up werewolf form. Boss took 45 mins........

Sounds like poetic justice to me.

STEVIL

starkerealm wrote: »

Cody_svk wrote: »

They should do it in a way that after being vote kicked, you will not receive that 15 minutes penalty...This would be useful especially when bugs like 5 players in a group happen, because then there is always one person who will receive the penalty without him doing anything wrong...

Really, the timeout should only be there for people who intentionally left the instance. Not just, "oh, hey, you were in this zone, 15 minutes for you!"

So if i get dropoed in with abusive players and such i should be choosing between enduring their abuse for 10-15m run or sitting in penalty box for 15?

timidobserver

Party loot trading is partially to blame. Grind up to 160 CP asap. Many people don't want to group with low cp people because their loot is worthless for trading. This will get you kicked from dungeons with desired drops like COA.

Cryptical

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The issue is the grinders. How many yahoos pick up the game and act like pvp is the definition of mmo, ignoring the rpg part of mmorpg... How many goobers step out of the wailing prison and never do a quest again... How many shmucks do you think fit that description? Too many! WAY too many!

Grinding gains levels through rote repetition of the same thing over and over, without learning anything new.

50 levels earned by doing quests will take you through the entire variety of different scenarios with a variety of mobs with a variety of attacks, and you will have learned to get the heck out of the big red circle. 50 levels earned by running back and forth under the hectahame bridge will only teach you about single flesh atros and trios of skeletons and exactly d i c k about getting your butt out of the big red circle of death.

if you're that low on cp, you are far more likely to be a grinder that got your levels only learning that zombies spit.

That said, I turned someone away only once from a group I was in. And that was because of a mistake on my part getting the group together. Other than that one time, I don't turn anyone away in group finder, not even the c200 sorc dps that queued as a tank and used the "ward up and kite the whole group through the fire" method of tanking... I would bet that person was a grinder, still stumbling around ignorant as a mudcrab because of skipping all the quests that would have taught a thing or two.

We, as players, should discourage first timers from any grinding at all.

dsalter

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I got a bunch of people who basicly AFK'd while groundfinding and had to kick them

easy cure, make it up up that you are ready when it finds a group, fail to accept? it removes you from the queue and everyone else who IS ready gets to continue

pattyLtd

It sucks to get kicked from the group and i personally don't do it but then it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable anyway bc i feel like I'm forcing the other players in the group to put up with the one they voted to kick lol.

I hardly ever pug with a group full of randoms but quite regularly we are just two or three and queue to fill the group.

Personally i would be more inclined to vote to kick the 561CP player that goes "go go go" then a lower level one that says at the start i haven't done this before but that's just me. You're perception of things can be entirely different and not any less valid then mine.

Lava_Croft

Don't use the group finder if you are going to kick people before giving them a chance.

Therwind

Not reading everyone's post so....

The disband group is being abused more than ever, I thought zos did away with this crap. In an 8 hr period I've completed 2 vet dungeons...wtf!!! As soon as the group forms some bag of hammers disbands the group and we all get penalized for it.Dumbest thing ever created on planet earth. Please fix this.

LadyNalcarya

@Therwind wrote: »

Not reading everyone's post so....

The disband group is being abused more than ever, I thought zos did away with this crap. In an 8 hr period I've completed 2 vet dungeons...wtf!!! As soon as the group forms some bag of hammers disbands the group and we all get penalized for it.Dumbest thing ever created on planet earth. Please fix this.

Its a bug, normally you cant disband a group that was created with group finder. Even if you used group finder to teleport a premade group to the dungeon.
Can't kick anyone either, only vote to kick.

RebornV3x

it would help if dungeons had recommended level so low cp plays knew what they were getting into but CP for the most part can play a big part I mean the gap between 330 to 561 isn't too bad but a the gap between a 100-159 and a 561 is pretty big gap but it takes 3 people to kick so it happens

Stopnaggin

SnubbS wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Sounds like I need a safe space? What does that even mean? Kind of hard for a tank to get "carried" on HM bosses if the boss was running around wacking people because I'm "not competent".

If you ever get 15 seconds I urge you to invest in a google search, it will clear up the 'Safe space' talk very quickly.

In an earlier reply I stated that I was not calling you incompetent, or saying that you got carried -- I was presenting an argument as to why "Mean people" were kicking you. It's a bit hard to tell someone they get carried if they get kicked before getting to the first boss.

Your first statement about a safe space was at best rude on so many levels. It comes off as being a pretentious ass. Everyone in this game has to learn the mechanics at some point. The fact that so many feel this way is pretty sad. Somewhere along the line we as human have lost the ability to hack any civil conversation. It all comes down to insults if someone doesn't agree with your stance. All this us against them crap.

Anyone voting to kick based solely on cp is ignorance at its finest. At least have the courtesy to see what someone can do, offer advise. I have been in trials, dungeons and everything else with high and low levels. I have seen low CP players out perform max cp players.

Would I report anyone for that behavior, nope. Not even worth the time. But the gf needs to be fixed. 15 min penalty for nothing in a lot of cases. They should have some sort of slider to allow the hc players on group with other like minded people. Although I don't know why anyone looking for such players would even use gf to begin with. If I'm looking for a fast HM run I'm not using gf.

Stopnaggin

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

Hello there,

Recently we've had to remove several comments for unneeded back and forth, keep in mind that flaming and baiting are against the Forum Rules. For further discussion on the matter, please be sure to remain civil with one another and constructive towards the topic.

Thank you for understanding.

This should be closed down than. This is literally a thread about how people dont like that a majority voted them off a group for x reason. Its literally a fair vote which can only be completed by a majority.

This is not a thread based on how ZOS could fix it by adding x. Its a thread for people to come and talk about how elitist dont help them or treat them fairly.

The vote is obviously fair since its a vote.
The reasons are fair for the majority involved in the vote, or else they wouldnt vote it.

This whole thread is a bait.

This is not a thread about elites not helping. It's about abusing the gf. The majority voted. Mostly false because most are already grouped with a friend. Kick me I don't care, but to penalize me 15 mins for being kicked. Seriously? On what planet does that even make sense?

Stopnaggin

For real people, taking time out of your day to teach someone a few things isn't going to kill any of you. Sometimes you don't find great players but sometimes you can make great players.

DPShiro

Stopnaggin wrote: »

For real people, taking time out of your day to teach someone a few things isn't going to kill any of you. Sometimes you don't find great players but sometimes you can make great players.

Most good players have spent time to learn the game, why can't other new players do the same?

My game time is limited, and I am going to spend that doing things I want to do, things that brings me enjoyment. Helping lazy players is not fun imo.
Invest the time and learn yourself, don't complain when other people don't want to carry your lazy behind.

If I got paid to learn lazy, entitled people play a game, that would be another story.

Paneross

Maybe if you didn't suck at the game the majority wouldn't vote to kick lowbies.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

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Stopnaggin

DPShiro wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

For real people, taking time out of your day to teach someone a few things isn't going to kill any of you. Sometimes you don't find great players but sometimes you can make great players.

Most good players have spent time to learn the game, why can't other new players do the same?

My game time is limited, and I am going to spend that doing things I want to do, things that brings me enjoyment. Helping lazy players is not fun imo.
Invest the time and learn yourself, don't complain when other people don't want to carry your lazy behind.

If I got paid to learn lazy, entitled people play a game, that would be another story.

So you just came out and ran vet dungeons with no knowledge of any of the mechanics. I guess there were no hi cp players in your groups back then. Being lazy is another story, some people actually want to learn. If they don't want to learn then I'm fine with kicking them but if you offer advise and they heed that advise they are willing to learn. But you know good luck with learning anything if you can't find a group because you keep getting kicked because of lower cp.

Yes most good players took time to learn the game but according to your statement they must have been lazy at some point, because someone had to have carried them right?

Paneross

Stay out of vets dungeons if you're a lowbie. Go do normal!

FoolishHuman

DPShiro wrote: »

Most good players have spent time to learn the game, why can't other new players do the same?

Because they get kicked before the dungeon starts. Which is basically the entire point.

flizomica

If you are low-cp, like less than 200, you are basically guaranteed to be bad at healing/tanking/dps. It's not the rest of the group's responsibility to carry a REALLY bad player.

Yes I will happily kick someone who is doing awful dps because I can't complete the dungeon otherwise - when darkshade II was the pledge a few days ago literally none of the gfinder groups I was put into as a healer could get past grobull for stunning lack of AoE damage. And yes I did try to explain what skills they 'should' be using.

On the other hand, for super easy stuff, like vet wayrest, I will try to explain how to be a good dps. But some people just don't get it or refuse to understand. I had a ~cp170 guy in all hollowjack heavy armor, dps-ing intermittently with an inferno staff and 2h sword. The other dps and I tried to explain how awful hybrids are but he said he 'was an alpha player' and 'actually testing out a new build.'

Random vet gfinder also put me into a vWGT group where one of the dps was a stam NB using just snipe and reapers mark. I tried to explain why that was really bad and they wouldn't be able to do the dungeon, but apparently 'there was no counter to them' and I was 'just one of those guys.'